misteraven Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, Kults said: good. since people can’t be trusted not to act like retards 🤷🏻♂️ Slippery slope when you try to supersede free will and protect people from themselves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I don't think it's people "acting like retards"..... I know exactly what you're trying to get at though @Kults You probably know what I'm going to say..... this is highlighting people acting like their normal shit head selves. Normal people that plan ahead do not do this kind of thing it's hive mentality that makes the majority make decisions as if they're a herd. They say humans are apex predators in the food chain but I would venture to say that there are levels within the human race too. Some people are sardines mentally. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorydays Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 i said it...people in power are going to monetize off the poor the poverty-industrial complex includes the deregulated capitalist ideal of "hard work is a virtue in and of itself" meaning, the poor getting a generous amount of money to stay healthy would be a sin against capitalism 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Drue_Down said: Am I being a dick for saying they have a point? What is the incentive to work when you get paid more for staying at home. Real problem here is what they did for corporations, though I dont know the specifics. Two wrongs don't make a right. What a shit show... But have come to not expect shit from any of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorydays Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 i can't really agree @misteraven it does seem they are getting paid to stay home and not work BUT they were directed to by the same government denying them that money its a lose lose situation for the lower classes...i really got heated over the corporations getting a hand out too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Most of America does not make $600/wk in pay. That is fuckin ridiculous. You're going to have people that don't know how to handle their money WILDIN THE FUCK out with $600/wk. I sure as shit don't want to pay the extra in taxes for this. I DO, however, think that something temporary should be done. This brings me to my point about the jokes of "how much money does it take to get a trump supporter to turn socialist?" The punchline is $1000. The thing that is missed by people not thinking far ahead is that the money is not a permanent thing. It's not, "from now on you get paid $1000/mo" or anything like that. It's a one time deal that will add a ton of debt to our account. Socialism would be if we permanently switched over to giving "the poverty stricken" $1000/mo and had to pay the recurring debt by way of high taxes. I absofuckinlutely would move out of this country if any "leader" ever tried to make that a reality. No, I don't know where I'd go, but I'd do it so fast their head would spin..... along with many others. I'm not saying that from any certain "vantage point", I'm saying that would be a deal breaker for me and the country that I love. It can't be a good place if the leaders in charge ruin it. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorydays Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) being forced home, laid off, and not earning any money by the government is 1 thing but then denying them a relief fund that, like @Dirty_habiTsaid, would be temporary is, i believe, just straight cruelty relief from being evicted, paying bills while jobless, getting medical care and basic necessities is a job that the government should be taking care of there will not be a vote if the people are all dead Edited March 25, 2020 by glorydays 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorydays Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 and i do sound hard left, but my friends are all laid off what are they gonna do? they get state unemployment...overwhelm that system idk...this is just me empathizing i grew up poor...i know what hunger feels like 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kults Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said: I don't think it's people "acting like retards"..... I know exactly what you're trying to get at though @Kults You probably know what I'm going to say..... this is highlighting people acting like their normal shit head selves. Normal people that plan ahead do not do this kind of thing it's hive mentality that makes the majority make decisions as if they're a herd. They say humans are apex predators in the food chain but I would venture to say that there are levels within the human race too. Some people are sardines mentally. i agree. i meant more them thinking there would be some great tp shortage 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said: Most of America does not make $600/wk in pay. That is fuckin ridiculous. You're going to have people that don't know how to handle their money WILDIN THE FUCK out with $600/wk. I sure as shit don't want to pay the extra in taxes for this. I DO, however, think that something temporary should be done. This brings me to my point about the jokes of "how much money does it take to get a trump supporter to turn socialist?" The punchline is $1000. The thing that is missed by people not thinking far ahead is that the money is not a permanent thing. It's not, "from now on you get paid $1000/mo" or anything like that. It's a one time deal that will add a ton of debt to our account. Socialism would be if we permanently switched over to giving "the poverty stricken" $1000/mo and had to pay the recurring debt by way of high taxes. I absofuckinlutely would move out of this country if any "leader" ever tried to make that a reality. No, I don't know where I'd go, but I'd do it so fast their head would spin..... along with many others. I'm not saying that from any certain "vantage point", I'm saying that would be a deal breaker for me and the country that I love. It can't be a good place if the leaders in charge ruin it. This is actually an ongoing issue that is being exacerbated. I know people in real life that refuse promotions, raises or extra hours because it puts them in a new bracket that then cancels other social assistance. So since the raise or promotion is only incremental, it makes more financial sense to not work the extra hours or accept the promotion so they can keep getting the hand out. Fucked up, but its a real thing. This sounds like that on steroids. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorydays Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 its a punishment for earning more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 And indeed... Two trillion dollars is about 10% of the existing national debt suddenly being added on in attempt to fix this one single situation. A huge investment to be sure. The same people screaming for it, will be the same ones parroting back the statistic that Trump added more to the national debt than any other president in history. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorydays Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 it was just a perfect storm of circumstances plain bad fucking luck...a super flu out of nowhere 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Math nerds might like this blog. Mona is a art gallery in Hobart, Tasmania. This guy is too smart for his own good. But damn he writes well. We should get him on 12OZ. https://mona.net.au/blog/2020/03/covid-19-diary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 56 minutes ago, misteraven said: And indeed... Two trillion dollars is about 10% of the existing national debt suddenly being added on in attempt to fix this one single situation. A huge investment to be sure. The same people screaming for it, will be the same ones parroting back the statistic that Trump added more to the national debt than any other president in history. Another crazy way to look at it is somewhere around 5% of global cash, 2% composite of cash and deposited funds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drue_Down Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 This is why we are here, this is why we are doomed. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Some interesting conspiracies coming out about whether the virus was created....all linked to Wuhan. Anyone heard anything about this? https://www.npr.org/2020/01/28/800442646/acclaimed-harvard-scientist-is-arrested-accused-of-lying-about-ties-to-china 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 That makes me want to use gloves at the gas station more than corona. Fucking animals. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/wealthy-couple-return-from-skiing-with-coronavirus-then-do-not-self-isolate-20200325-p54du5.html A Melbourne couple infected with COVID-19 while on a skiing holiday in the United States have been the subject of repeated police complaints after they allegedly flouted advice to self-isolate and visited shops and a golf course on the Mornington Peninsula instead. A wealthy finance industry figure and his partner were two of about a dozen Australians believed to have contracted the coronavirus after attending a social function in the exclusive alpine resort of Aspen, Colorado, earlier this month. The Age and Sydney Morning Herald have been told by multiple sources that at least two other Australians who attended the event refused to be tested in Aspen because they were reluctant to interrupt their ski trips. The couple, whom The Age and Sydney Morning Herald have decided not to name for legal reasons, returned to Melbourne on March 6 and four days later were informed by Victorian health authorities that they were at high risk of infection because of the outbreak in Aspen. Australian authorities had issued an order at the end of January for people to self-isolate for 14 days if they had been in contact with a coronavirus case, but mandatory self-isolation for all overseas travellers had not yet been enacted. This couple were asymptomatic and did not self-isolate immediately on their return from the US. They only got tested on March 15 at Frankston Hospital, a source said. The woman was the first to test positive to COVID-19 and her partner tested positive two days later. The two were advised to isolate from the public and are understood to have stayed at a property in Portsea. However, sources say they were soon spotted at shops in Sorrento and a nearby golf course. Three complaints were made to Victoria Police between March 17 and 19 but it is unknown if police took any action. The Age and Sydney Morning Herald have spoken with the complainant, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, who said he had spoken twice with an officer at the Rosebud police station before he was referred to a special hotline that had been set up to monitor those placed into isolation. Under Victoria's state of emergency declaration on March 16, it was mandatory for returning travellers to self-isolate. A Victoria Police spokeswoman said she would not comment on "individual spot checks or reports of people breaching self-isolation". Both members of the couple declined to speak on the record, and it's not suggested they were in fact responsible for transmitting COVID-19 to others. But their appearances in public have ignited a fierce backlash, particularly among parents of students who attend the same private schools as their children. A source close to the woman said she had not breached any quarantine obligations and claimed the couple were the victims of a smear campaign by "bored housewives". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Dirty_habiT said: Most of America does not make $600/wk in pay. That is fuckin ridiculous. You're going to have people that don't know how to handle their money WILDIN THE FUCK out with $600/wk. I sure as shit don't want to pay the extra in taxes for this. I DO, however, think that something temporary should be done. isnt that exactly what they want? they want people to be wildin the fuck out with money and funnel it back into the economy by buying stupid shit like beers and baby nikes. @Drue_Downthat is disgusting. imagine being that slovenly that you'd consider that acceptable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 33 minutes ago, Drue_Down said: This is why we are here, this is why we are doomed. She manage to get it after all that digging? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 mobilisation order for our army reserve went out today... wonder why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drue_Down Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 To protect stores from looting and general chaos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 22 minutes ago, misteraven said: She manage to get it after all that digging? you got put in effort if you want that last twizzler 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dirty_habiT Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Paid sick leave just means he gets his normal amount of pay while he's sick. I have paid sick leave and paid personal days and paid vacation days. I basically get paid for 40h every week no matter what happens and that is no different than the situation described above with Ted Cruz... he just has a higher salary than me. I see no problem with him getting paid sick leave in the role he holds. And I'd think someone is a bit weird if they didn't want me to get paid sick leave for the role that I hold. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defyoner Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Meanwhile Austin TX, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Schnitzel said: mobilisation order for our army reserve went out today... wonder why? To keep people inside I reckon. Cos people aren't fucking listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 40 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said: Paid sick leave just means he gets his normal amount of pay while he's sick. I have paid sick leave and paid personal days and paid vacation days. I basically get paid for 40h every week no matter what happens and that is no different than the situation described above with Ted Cruz... he just has a higher salary than me. I see no problem with him getting paid sick leave in the role he holds. And I'd think someone is a bit weird if they didn't want me to get paid sick leave for the role that I hold. Also, that he holds an elected office at taxpayer expense. If his constituents are upset abut his salary or conduct, can't they vote him out? Supposed to work like that anyways. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 ^^ I would believe so. Senators are elected and I'm certain they have a limited term. Also, his salary is probably considered average for a senator. Nobody would really be "upset" about his salary at his level of government. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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