Ray40 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 This time I added a bit of style to the letters, please judge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Some connections then a simple straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 @Ray40- see the way @Giantis keeping things simple and aiming to perfect letter structure than try and do a burner? This is the way to learn and improve. If I was you, I would take the design that @Jokerdid for you and just draw it over and over again until you can do something that looks exactly the same. You should stop trying to 'add style'. In my opinion, you are already trying to achieve above your abilities and you need to show the discipline required to progress. Not trying to be a dick to you, just telling it straight. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, Giant said: Some connections then a simple straight. That straight is spot on. What I'd be doing now is pick a slight tweak or flow (which could be as simple as a lean or a bend) and add it to the straight. Practice that until it is clean, then add another tweak and continue to build that way. Then, go back to a straight, add a different tweak and build from there. Beginning with the fundamental letter structure like a straight or simple is the only way to go, it took me 2 years of drawing crap until I learned that lesson when I was a kid. It also allowed me to develop my own style instead of just trying to do what everyone else was doing. I reckon you're on the right path to locking things down, it's only a matter of practice now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray40 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Thanks @Hua GuofangI will take that to heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray40 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I have a question, is my work so bad a crew wouldn’t let me in, and how do you join a crew? Ready for any answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray40 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Also I was wondering how long it will take to move from straight letters to complicated stuff, also does everyone start a toy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray40 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Here are two less basic pieces, I did them because I got a little frustrated with practicing jokers outline please judge them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Ray40 said: I have a question, is my work so bad a crew wouldn’t let me in, and how do you join a crew? Ready for any answers 3 hours ago, Ray40 said: Also I was wondering how long it will take to move from straight letters to complicated stuff, also does everyone start a toy I think if you really listen to what others have told you don’t add style you advance a lot quicker than you are now. Don’t take the simple piece you’ve been given and add style straight away. Listen and take the elders advice and then you may get taken into a crew but if your drawing bad and they try and help you and you don’t listen then you ain’t gonna be part of that crew long 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray40 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Your right man, thanks for getting me back on track 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Started colouring this as I liked how it turned out in the end. made the N prominent lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 @Giant- Loving the effort you're putting in. You're definitely heading in the right direction. This right here: ... that is pure gold. It might look like a logo to you, or too simple, but look closer - you've come up with solutions for how to nestle the N into the empty space of the P, and the empty space between the D and O. Seriously... that is what we want. We want these real simple styles to force you to learn the letters and how they work together. Dude - loving this. @Ray40- The green piece looks great. Please stick to keeping your letters simple and working them out. As soon as you add 'style' you lose your momentum. One step forward, two steps back. I want you to keep moving forward. Try some exercises like PNDOE is working out. Real simple, almost logo-like letter exercises. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 6:23 AM, Ray40 said: I have a question, is my work so bad a crew wouldn’t let me in, and how do you join a crew? Ready for any answers There isn't a blanket response to this. Is what it is, and it'll happen when it happens. Purpose of a crew for the first many years is to learn and to paint with people you trust. You'll find that eventually, just focus on you and getting better. There's a ton of information that'll get you pretty far, most notably the direct advice you seem to be getting on here. Eventually you'll need to learn to actually paint and not just draw on paper. If you can link up with other people, they might let you watch and you'll pick up a few things, but mostly you'll learn by doing. Unsure how you'll manage the paint, but once you get some decent paint and an assortment of tips, finding a mellow place with a fairly smooth, primed wall and just practice filling in shapes, outlining shapes and later moving on to blends, you'll pick it up. Really the quality and diversity of paint these days makes it so just about anyone can paint a solid fill without a drippy mess. On 8/25/2019 at 6:42 AM, Ray40 said: Also I was wondering how long it will take to move from straight letters to complicated stuff, also does everyone start a toy If you're lucky, you'll link up with some kids that know how to paint. If they're smart, they'll have you fill in backgrounds before moving on to fill in their pieces. Ince you're doing that pretty well, they'll maybe put your name up on a wall and if you stick with it, they'll eventually help you paint your piece. Eventually you'll have a few of those under your belt and have enough experience that you can put your own piece up on a wall without embarrassing the guys painting next to you. Once you have a piece that starts to stand on its own, you'll get invited into crews. Other path is you just keep painting solo until you're good. Then maybe change your name and roll out good pieces over night with that new name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray40 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Thanks so much, now I understand how far I will need to go, I do mostly tags so far so I am painting a little, mostly with markers and some spray paint so I am starting a little but I will look for a chill spot to do a piece, thanks again for the advice, I will work on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Finished colouring this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 That came up well, you’ve got 3d and light/shadow squared away. I reckon the smaller letters underneath could benefit from a drop shadow or something similar. It looks a bit 2d next to the rest that has good depth to it. Just my 2c, not gospel, by any stretch. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Bit scrappy but another modified simple. And the mistake on the O at the end doh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Honestly confused as how you went from the one before to that... __________________ @Ray40 @Giant I hope you guys appreciate who @Jokeris and realize the significance of a guy like that taking the time to even acknowledge you. I woulda shit my pants with joy when I was at your level if that had happened. 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray40 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 ya he is an awesome guy, like an online mentor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 22 hours ago, Fist 666 said: @Ray40 @Giant I hope you guys appreciate who @Jokeris and realize the significance of a guy like that taking the time to even acknowledge you. I woulda shit my pants with joy when I was at your level if that had happened. I appreciate that, sir. Compared to a lot of well-known writers in our culture, I'm just another fly on the wall. That said, mentors are lacking and people coming up genuinely want guidance, so I figured why not offer it. Most feedback these folks get is negative with no direction on how to improve so if we can take a second and offer real feedback - it's worth the time. Even if only 1 out of 10 gets something from our feedback, it's worth it. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 On 8/29/2019 at 2:27 AM, Fist 666 said: @Ray40 @Giant I hope you guys appreciate who @Jokeris and realize the significance of a guy like that taking the time to even acknowledge you. I woulda shit my pants with joy when I was at your level if that had happened. This is truth. Out of all the folk that have graced the pages of 12OZ over the years, which has seen some of the greats (lol, and Cope2...), I rate Joker and Beardo as the most talented in terms of style, tech skill and straight up being able to sketch. listening to him is one of the reasons I'm hanging out in the toy thread, I've been at this stuff for 35 years and I can still learn from him! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decyferon Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Yea this is amazing to see quality writers giving advice in the toy thread I've tried to suggest to a few young local writers to check in here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decyferon Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 I wouldnt be where I was without some of the advice given to me in here over the years 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 12 hours ago, Hua Guofang said: This is truth. Out of all the folk that have graced the pages of 12OZ over the years, which has seen some of the greats (lol, and Cope2...), I rate Joker and Beardo as the most talented in terms of style, tech skill and straight up being able to sketch. listening to him is one of the reasons I'm hanging out in the toy thread, I've been at this stuff for 35 years and I can still learn from him! Thank you for the kind words, much appreciated. Beardo is... well, in a word, unbelievable. His ability to loosely sketch unique letters that flow from one to the other in an indescribable way is unparalleled. I've never seen his equal when it comes to this. I only wish he was still at it. His simples are damn good as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 10 hours ago, Decyferon said: I've tried to suggest to a few young local writers to check in here Please do. I think having more writers seeking advice and/or direction is how I want this thread to evolve. I know that means they have to put themselves on the chopping block, which isn't popular in a culture that is designed ot knock you down, but as mentioned several times before... a thick skin is required just to get started in this game. We've all been... let's say, challenged... by writers better than us but honestly the idea is to motivate. And that's what I want to do with this thread - motivate toys and writers coming up who are genuinely looking for advice. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElbowMack187 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Ima post some sketches here for crits to then ? I don't wanna flodthe other one with my shit . Here some shit I'm on right now trying to take in what you said befor but I feel this b still flows like a r i can't escape it lol i also not feeling the extra bar on the e idk its not right and i cant figure it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 One I’m doing for a friends kid. These letters just seemed to drop together pretty easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 28 minutes ago, Ghost_In_The_City said: Are talking about Joker from the Bay Area..? That guy is like that with everyone. There's only one true Joker and that's the one posting in this thread. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 20 hours ago, Hua Guofang said: This is truth. Out of all the folk that have graced the pages of 12OZ over the years, which has seen some of the greats (lol, and Cope2...), I rate Joker and Beardo as the most talented in terms of style, tech skill and straight up being able to sketch. listening to him is one of the reasons I'm hanging out in the toy thread, I've been at this stuff for 35 years and I can still learn from him! Also... you know what you're doing 😉 You've got plenty of talent, yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Ghost_In_The_City said: Are talking about Joker from the Bay Area..? That guy is like that with everyone. I think you're talking about Joker ICP. Our styles are quite different so there's never been a need to get uppity about it. He and I starting writing the name around the same time, me on the east coast, him on the west, so I never heard of him, he never heard of me. Current day - he does his thing quite well, and I do mine. We've exchanged props a couple of times so I assume he's fine with me continuing to use the name as I am of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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