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  1. To piggy-back on @misteraven BMX post... Bob Haro's drawings were awesome.
  2. Joker

    Toys post here...

    Bode characters always add that finishing touch...
  3. Joker

    Toys post here...

    @Limeliciouz- sorry for all the sketch lines but I wanted to do this super quick without over-thinking it. I took your last posted sketch as inspiration and redrew it with how I saw the letters working together. This is kinda what my mentor did for me a few times and it really helped me understand how my letters could come together, so hopefully it helps you. I first drew the M and E, then the L and I, and then put them together so I could see the whole piece and how it come together. Sorry the right side of the E gets cut off.
  4. Joker

    Toys post here...

    Are you looking for feedback or just contributing?
  5. @misteraven- that is fucked up. Why... why would a pen be an issue? Why would a book with what the untrained eye would consider scribbles on the cover be an issue?I don't understand.
  6. Joker

    Toys post here...

    I didn't take your reply as rude, but more frustration... and rightly so. Being a Graffiti writer is frustrating, even when you're at the tip of your game, it's frustrating. So, no, I wasn't offended by the post. But let me see if I can help answer some questions... After Basics After you are comfortable with the basics (which I think you are) is when you start messing around with how letters interact with one another, scale, adding arrows... bits... doo-dads, and the like. The letters stay fairly simple, still, but you start to teach yourself those little bits of style that set the piece apart from a straight block letter. Personally, I believe you're at this point so that's a separate conversation. How do you structure a piece Not all pieces require a solid structure, but most benefit from it. There's plenty to argue that none of my pieces in the last ten years have structure, but I had a solid understanding of how to structure a piece before I started doing abstract Graffiti. A showstopper piece 99% of the time is going to have some solid structure to it, and by structure, I mean the overall piece looks like it was thought out from left to right. This doesn't always mean that the left mirrors the right, but for clarity I'm going to use a piece like that as an example: Overall this piece has a solid arched-like structure. The right side of the A and the left side of the M are practically vertical which gives the overall structure of the piece a solid foundation. Think of it like building a home... kinda - the A and M are the support beams that give a solid foundation to hold the S, U, and E. I'm not saying all pieces need to mirror left to right, I'm saying that your piece will benefit if you consider the overall piece structure instead of letter by letter. Does that help explain what I mean by structure? If not, let me know and I'll try to explain further. Building letters that work well with one another Let's use the same piece to explain this one, too. So if you look at the A and M you'll notice how they both have the same overall build, just mirrored. Visually this allows the overall piece to read really well. Even the arrows coming off the sides are similar to one another, not the same... similar, and both have bits coming off the longer bar. This relates to those two letters reading well with one another even though they're not right next to each other. Let's go to the S... the left side of this letter nestles in really well with the right side of the A. It's technically not vertical on the left side, but it is made to feel as though it is by the subtle intersections between the A and S. The bottom of the letter holds the same arc the one next to it started off with, creating structure (see what I did, there?). On to the E... this letter has many of the same line weights and angles as the S, just a mirror reflection of it. Even though the top rounded bit is the same shape as the S (not a mirror of it, but the same) it still works because the bottom of the letter holds that same arc as the final letter, grounding the letter, while the rest of the letter has similar angles to the S. It kicks back into the S creating a natural home for the U, which fits into that area perfectly. It's like the writer planned it that way 😉 Basically, you want the overall structure to look/feel solid, but you also want letters that nestle perfectly into one another. Overlapping is the tried and true method for doing this, but usually when first starting out most writers don't play around with how their letters are interacting with one another... they're just overlapping because that's what they see. So play around with drawing just single letters and drawing two of your letters together - like the L and I, then the I and M, and so on. Don't worry about the others, just focus on how one interacts with the other and different ways they come together. Keep it simple, not block letters, but simple Graffiti style. I think you know you're further along than I'm making out, but I'm hoping to get you to understand your letters really well before moving on to next steps. You know... I've told this story a lot but it might help me get my point across on why sketching is so important - In the early 90s I had moved to the Bay Area and eventually was being mentored by Raevyn TWS. If you don't know who he is, look him up... or just open Spraycan Art. Anyway, he and I had been meeting once a week for about six months and trying to work out new ideas, different ways of bringing letters together, different styles... just constantly sketching ideas that never saw the light of day. Some of those studies made it into my blackbook as full pieces all colored in like a blackbook should be. Anyway, there was this big event in the city where Phase2 and Schmidlap were giving a talk and writers form all over the Bay would be there. I showed up with Raevyn and we ran into his crew mate Crayone... another heavy hitter from the area. Raevyn was talking me up telling Crayone about my work and how excited he was about the stuff I was doing, so Crayone started to flip through the pages of my blackbook. About five pages in he slammed the book shut and said "Looks just like your stuff, Rae". I was absolutely crushed. I had worked for six months non-stop to come up with some new shit, something that was mine, and a person whom I hold in high regard just told me my work is all stolen from Raevyn. Initially I wanted to quit and focus on skateboarding, but Rae told me not to worry about what Crayone said and to keep going. I spent every-fucking-day sketching, perfecting every letter, every connection option, everything. Eventually I found my own style, my own groove, and it put me on the path to the writer I became. So while I was crushed at the time by what Crayone said - he said exactly what I needed to hear. I think he knew I needed to hear it. I've never talked to him since that moment but when I do get the chance to I will let him know that I'm forever grateful for his honesty. So stay frustrated but let that inspire you to push through.
  7. Instagram has been great for business, and by that I mean reaching folks who enjoy my canvas work and want to own a piece of my art. I've been able to share new available work to thousands of people and quickly sell them, and I've had folks reach out to me through direct message for commission pieces. Closing out my Instagram account, which I definitely want to do, is probably going to kill all that. That's partly okay as I'm more than likely retiring from canvas work except for when the moment to create grabs me, and I still have my personal website so I can go back to updating that more often instead of updating my Instagram feed. The problem is making the leap. I can't decide if I'm shooting myself in the foot or if I'm making more time in my life, or if I'm going to end up filling that spare time with 12oz. @misteraven- I'd be interested to know if Instagram has helped increase sales in the 12oz shop, or if the general increase in forum traffic has increased sales. With all the chatter about social media - do you plan to keep your Insta account or close it out altogether? Just looking for outside thoughts about this from a business perspective... I guess.
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    Toys post here...

    @ElbowMack187- you can set your vanishing point anywhere you want. Like, anywhere. If your vanishing point is directly behind the B then that's where it is. You're setting all this stuff up in your initial sketch so all the extra lines don't matter, once you have your lines dialed in you can erase what you don't need/want, then color in your sketch. You can do the same for a painting as well. When you're working on something bigger, like a wall, you can spray a dot to represent your vanishing point, and then use that as a guide for where to create your initial 3D outline. No need to paint a line that goes all the way to the sprayed dot. Honestly you don't need to draw the long-ass lines to get the one-point perspective correct, You can set your dot and use it as a guide to draw the depth of your 3D at the correct angle - see the sketch below for what I mean.
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    Toys post here...

    Because of the severe lean on the vertical bar of the L it gives the impression that it is leaning back toward the lighting. The O and W both look like they're sitting proud of the B, and the B looks to be sitting proud of the L solely due to the letter itself sitting lower than the L, and O sitting lower the B, and W lower than the O. All of this is probably due to your one-point perspective on the 3D being off. Set yourself a vanishing point, basically a dot that all your 3D lines will go to, and draw your 3D lines starting at the corner of a letter and finishing at the dot. If you do that for each corner, each letter, your perspective on the 3D will be correct. You can then make the depth of your 3D as shallow or as deep as you want.
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    Toys post here...

    There's definitely a chance you'll be doing burners in five years, but there's also a chance you won't. As long as you listen to the help you're being given and put that feedback to use, you'll progress rather quickly. I've seen a few writers have a mentor spend hours upon hours with them but they have their ideas and are more focused on those that what is being taught. Those same writers didn't last two years because they never got better. One of them was mentored by the same guy who taught me. He was talented but didn't listen. When I would bring it up with him he would always say "I don't want to do it like that" or "my idea is better". The ideas were honestly really good, but the execution was horrendous because he skipped necessary steps in learning how to structure a piece, and how to properly build letters that work well with one another. The basics... I can't stress enough how important the basics are. They take time but once it clicks... you're on your way. As for the need to constantly change things up - I absolutely relate to this. My structure is always the same but my build and style change often. It helps keep things interesting, especially after 34 years of doing this...
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    Toys post here...

    These are definitely much better than where you were, but your line weights are still all over the place. Honestly, there's nothing wrong with that, and something you should keep under your belt for the future, but right now I'm hoping to teach you how your letters truly are... how they truly interact with one another. I can tell you really want to do your own thing, and I want to support that, but let's focus on nailing the basics, first. The throw-up: definitely have fun with those, but let's focus on your pieces right now. As for feedback on it... it's not terrible, but it's not something I would encourage getting up with at the moment.
  12. Ugh, this incredibly fucking tired argument. Yawn. Next...
  13. Time to build a proper display case for these... some incredible gems up there.
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