iloveboxcars Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 yes. you're right. possibly getting hit by oncomming traffic is much less important and safe than you taking a break for acouple seconds and letting it pass. silly me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Firstly, turn off where? There's anything from a two foot deep irigation ditch, a cliffside, or a cliff wall where you asking me to just "step off." All the turnoffs for cars are gravel, taking one of those would leave you with a man walking on the road at 2 miles per hour instead of a man on a bike, and there's no width difference between a bike and a man... So lets leave the bike out of the equasion for a second and consider just the pileup behind the van which feels nervous about the road it's driving on; On Skyline or Redwood, when there's a car unfamiliar to the terrain (which includes cyclists), what do you expect them to do? Edit: the brakes on the Trek 1000 can't hang. I wonder if the pads could be the problem, or if the entire brake kit's a piece and I should replace the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloveboxcars Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 well you dont really need to turn off. it isnt that the car isnt familiar with the road its that you never really know what bicyclists are going to do when you're in a car and hitting a bicyclist isnt something anyone is fond of, im sure. if you just stop and pull off to one side of the road for a second it would be more comfortable for the driver because the driver doesnt have someone tilting back and forth. im just saying, if you see people having trouble passing you you should be a decent person and step off to the side for a second so they can feel comfortable. im hoping what im saying is making sense. because i do understand your point of view, i just dont entirely agree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Boxcars, you're not crazy, just ignorant! In the history of everything ever, the smaller vehicle or vessle has the right of way. This assumes that the person operating the larger vehicle has some ability and a pair strapped on. The contract of everything ever continues, pointing out that... no matter how 'not fond' you are of running into cyclists. It is infinitely less fun for a cyclist to hit you (from the cyclists standpoint). So, now we know who has the right of way, and we assume overtaking is a normal operation and everyone is trying not to run into each other. It's worked since the beginning of time and I continue to see it function smoothly everyday... HOWEVER, WHENEVER the process gets fucked up (in my case) it is ALWAYS the auto driver's error. In fact, I've said it before but Ill say it again... OK, FINE! FUCKING PASS ME! I don't want you behind me acting like a dick and stacking traffic against me. If you go by at 1000mph then at least you will be past me and on your fucking way. Just GO! Bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloveboxcars Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 when it comes to mountain roads, especially during the day you never really know when a car is going to come around that next turn and fuck you up. i personally just go, but im just arguing for the people that arent comfortable with that. i dont really understand why the cyclist has the right of way. its "share the road" not "let cyclists do what they want" i mean, by not passing you the person is showing that he cares about your well-being as well as his own. well, maybe not all the time. but i know when i drive passed a cyclist when a turn is coming or on one of the really winding road i fear more for dudes life than my car because if there's an accident i doubt the cyclist will be able to get out of the way. acouple times i've actually just driven behind a cyclist because i cant believe how fucking fast the person is going up hill. and im sorry if the above paragraph isnt connected properly and doesnt flow right or whatever, im doing some other shit at the same time as responding in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 If you're on a bike in the road then technically, by law, you can have the whole lane. It's only by courtesy that the majority of cyclists stay to the right. As for going upwards on a bike on some country road and having cars lined up behind you... whoop-dee-do. I'll agree and say the cyclists should be to the right of the lane, even when riding up a hill. However... stopping isn't in the cards. If you've ever ridden up hill on a bike, especially a decent length / gradient of a hill then you know that stopping is counter productive. It's like asking the motorist to throw it into reverse as they're driving uphill. Cyclists have as much right to be in the lane as cars do (at least where I live) so it makes sense for everyone to ride / drive with some sense. I know everyone I ride with stays to the right unless we're rolling along on fairly flat terrain they we ride two abreast but still stay to the right. And I'd say 99% of motorists are cool about waiting thirty seconds. It's that one asshole who thinks it's funny to fuck around and use his car as a means to harm someone. Around here... with just about every cyclists carrying a cell phone now... that shit is stupid. The cops out here don't play when idiots like that are on the road. Unless the cyclists were riding the yellow line, the cops will write you up a real nice ticket worth hundreds of dollars. Because when you think about it, who wins if a cyclist and motorist collide? No one. So why bother? Drive like you got some sense and stay of the god damn phone!!!!!!! I fucking hate cell phones!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Fine. Next time I'm riding I'll just pull to the side and let all the cars go by, but because I can't pull off any more than I am when I'm just riding on the side, that is, without deliberately slashing my tires on a sharp rock. I'll just trackstand, giving the car the exact same ammount of clearance they had before I even stopped. Problem solved, for half a mile until we encroach upon TWO cyclists. What will the van do? Cyclists are a permanent part of driving any backroad in the East Bay. You mind as well be pissed off at a mountain the road wraps around instead of going straight through. Edit: Hey Jokes, how much of your day is spent riding compared to painting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloveboxcars Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 im so fucking tired right now and ive kind of lost any motivation to continue this conversation, but my whole point has involved courtesy since the beginning. just courtesy. and im not even saying that it is you people personally. from what i can tell the people that have responded are level headed people, im not attacking any of you. its kinda like going 60 in the fast lane. even though the law says its perfectly alright to go 60 in any lane on the freeway, its still a complete assholish thing to do. im going to go to bed, nice talking to you all, if there isnt 10000 responses to me tomorrow i'll answer.. but if there's just too many people responding i'm just going to let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 why don't you just let it go anyway? it's the internet, it doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloveboxcars Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 because i enjoy this conversation a lot more than reading some1 or sneakandcreep calling ebph gay over and over and over and over and over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 why don't you just let it go anyway? it's the internet, it doesn't matter. Uh, dude... isn't the internet your life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Edit: Hey Jokes, how much of your day is spent riding compared to painting? Well... I don't really paint anymore. Mean to say, I've all but "retired" from the sport of Writing. I still work on canvas stuff but we all know that isn't writing. I ride about ten to twelve hours a week right now. Come spring that will go up to fifteen hours or more a week. I work on canvas stuff maybe three hours a month. Pretty sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 only sad if it's not what you want to be doing with your time. i just rode in the rain to work and it sucked. almost got hit by someone on a celly the other day and i did get sorta hit by a car last week. nice fat tire rub on my shoe but luckily that was about it i'm hoping that fulfilled my accident quota for the next ten years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Hell Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 On the subject of the law stating that the bike can technically have the whole lane and the car people not wanting to share it... It's a strange dynamic. If you think about it this country has been so all about the car and driver for so long. It's bred into people. The physical landscape of the country has been changed umpteen times, peoples lives uprooted, cities re-mapped just to put more roads for easier access and better driving. Every batch of new cars that has come out since the inception of cars has always boasted new features for the driver. Better, smoother, easier, faster. Now, take the current up swing in bicycle usage. It's like taking a step backward to alot of people. They have been rasied to think their car is all important. They paid how ever many thousands of dollars for it, gas costs however much, and don't forget that most people view their cars as some sort of freedom device. Of course they are going to have issue with sharing the road with what is in their opinion some stupid, slow piece of metal. "Get a fucking car hippie!" I AM NOT DEFENDING THIS SITUATION. I just think that its interesting to note the dynamic between autos and the people who drive them who obviously fell that any inconvenience to the speed at which they drive is unforgivable, and the bicyclist who uses a cheaper, more fuel efficient, less environmental harming, pro physical fitness device to get from point a to b. now these are all generalizations, but I can feel that tension when I ride and come into car/bike situations, and I bet others can too. I wish there was a way to slow the whole fucking world down for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Uh, dude... isn't the internet your life? apparently you haven't been paying attention. ha. i should send an email, you'd be proud of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Hell Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Hows the vacation dude? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 so far so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the man the myth the GOON Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 i share the road at all times, but i also ride "aggressively" --between cars, through 4 ways etc... i've only had a couple close calls because of that. i have probably 2 close calls a week because cars do not pay attention. i'm courteous--when on moutain roads i do "ride the white" if not the 8 inches of shoulder. i think a big part of the problem is the ability of American drivers--and a lack of understanding of they're car. i grew up driving trucks and tractors, riding 4 wheelers and mowers, etc... i can pretty much drive a car for 30 minutes and have a solid understanding of where each of the 4 corners are and how to put those corners exactly where i want them--i've done tons of offroading where i must put my vehicle literally through a space 3 inches wider than the machine. thats an advantage i would have as a driver--most drivers lack that ability. look at most parking jobs, how many people do you know have lost their mirrors in their own garage, etc etc... i don't like being on the road with those people, they don't know that they've got 2 feet on their left before they're even on the yellow, but are only 4 inches from me... pedestrians and cyclists deserve the right of way and the right to ride pretty much where we'd like to. courteously. but most people cannot accept that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoiseuth Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 whatever. ride your bike. drive your car. dont drive your car into me while i ride my bike. this isnt aimed to take the piss out of any one person. can we go back to talking about bikes now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 This 9.5 outta 10 girl came into the store I work and I'm pissed at myself for not thinking of some way to keep her staying longer. Crystal blue eyes under sexy booksmart glasses. Fuck, man. The power play would've been to take my fifteen minute break right then and there but that might've been too strong. That's not a bicycle story but it's far better than the above mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackfatsoe Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 she didn't like you anyways dog, don't trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 That's a rare thing, but she wasn't one of em. A girl doesn't make eyecontact with you for ten straight seconds and not be curious. She was just shopping with her two friends, and by the looks of them at least I know she has a sense of humor. I just wish I worked at a boutique, not some superstore with big brother over my shoulder. She'll be back tho. I know these things. Anyway, where's the velospace flicks??? And why can't i find a cinelli dealer in the bay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handbone Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I got a 1990 cannondale recently that i love but dont know anything about the technical aspect of road bikes. Ima post a pic of it when the sun comes up, i just wanted to know whats a good site or something to look through to get me in a little bit more educated on this ? i ride and i ride but there are times when i have no idea whats goin on with my shit... I also need to do a lil bit of touching up and need to replace some specs on it... help an ignant mofocka out.. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Sheldon Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handbone Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Sheldon Brown I had to figure out what you meant but that helped thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupBDC Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 You mean you had to type it into google and click the first link. Tough world I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Just saw this one today... would love to have one for winter training and cruising around town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the man the myth the GOON Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 /\/\i'm aroused. i think once i get stationed i'm going to spend half my signing bonus on bikes. the 3 i ride (of 6 i own) just aren't enough......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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soupBDC Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 Hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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