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Stan Tookie Williams: founder of the crips

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by bike messenger, Dec 12, 2005.

  1. bike messenger

    bike messenger New Jack

    Joined: Mar 29, 2005 Messages: 32 Likes Received: 0
    hes been in jail since about 71 i think, for murdering 4 people.
    theyre going to execute him on the 13th.
    he was one of the founders of the crips.
    but since hes been in jail hes written a grip of childrens books about gang violence, and also lead antigang groups in prison and whatnot.
    pay your respects.
  2. tsuifuku

    tsuifuku Junior Member

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  3. the_gooch

    the_gooch 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: May 15, 2002 Messages: 11,566 Likes Received: 431
    i'll pour some of my 40 out for him this weekend.
  4. I.C.Shadow

    I.C.Shadow Senior Member

    Joined: Apr 9, 2004 Messages: 1,190 Likes Received: 1
  5. Dr. Dazzle

    Dr. Dazzle Veteran Member

    Joined: Nov 19, 2001 Messages: 8,147 Likes Received: 3
    Uh, he killed 4 people, why would I respect him?
  6. imported_dowmagik

    imported_dowmagik Senior Member

    Joined: Apr 19, 2001 Messages: 1,904 Likes Received: 1
    respects? i wouldnt pay his cab fare to hell, let alone pay him respect. in before the lock.
  7. methadone program

    methadone program Member

    Joined: Jun 15, 2005 Messages: 413 Likes Received: 0
  8. Abracadabra

    Abracadabra Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Dec 28, 2001 Messages: 22,906 Likes Received: 113
    from what i've read the case against him was pretty dubious, but that's not to say that there weren't other serious crimes that he committed that would have attracted the same penalty
  9. bike messenger

    bike messenger New Jack

    Joined: Mar 29, 2005 Messages: 32 Likes Received: 0
    sorry i guess i should have said something more along the lines of this:
    To Save a Life to Save Others

    Williams has been on death row at San Quentin State Prison since 1981, when he was convicted and sentenced to death by lethal injection for the slaying of store clerk Albert Owens during the robbery of a 7-Eleven store and the shooting deaths of three members of the Yang family — Yen-I Yang, Tsai-Shai Chen Yang and Yu-Chin Yang Lin — who operated a Los Angeles motel.

    Since his conviction, Williams has written nine books warning children and teenagers about the dangers of gang life. He's been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize five times and for the Nobel Prize for literature once. In 1993, he videotaped a message at San Quentin that was shown to 400 gang members, and he helped broker a truce between the rival Crips and Bloods gangs during the first-ever gang summit in Los Angeles. He also has written a "peace protocol" to help rival gangs work out disagreements.

    Williams, his supporters say, is a living example of the perils of gang life and can be much more valuable to enforcement officials — and to impressionable youth — if he is spared.

    "We would make a huge mistake to take such a valuable asset, such a brilliant source of expertise and throw that life away," said Bruce Gordon, president and chief executive of the NAACP. "It'll cause the lives of others to be lost and that makes absolutely no sense to me."

    "He is our secret weapon to help young African-Americans avoid gangs," Gordon continued. "We want to save his life so he can save the lives of others."

    Other supporters indicate that Williams' execution would extinguish the hopes of imprisoned gang members considering reform, telling them that no one, no matter what they do to change their ways, is worth saving — that there is no mercy for the reformed.

    "It would send a terrible message if Stan is executed," said Cameron Sturdevant, an organizer of the "Save Tookie" campaign in California and anti-death penalty activist. "It would not only send out a message of vengeance, avenging violence with violence. But also, if someone like Stan can't get clemency, then who can?"

    Opportunistic — and Unrepentant — Gang Icon?

    Williams' detractors say he is not a model of a convict deserving of clemency and that some of his supporters are using him — as they have other condemned inmates — to further their own cause. And while Williams has gained notoriety — and some nationwide sympathy — his alleged victims and their families have almost been forgotten.

    "What's troubling is that you have these celebrities who take up this cause and they don't know anything about the case and they don't know the victims' names or have never met any of the victims' families," said Jared Lewis. "The bottom line is that we still have relatives of his victims who live with what he did every single day. The wounds for them today are as fresh as they were more than 25 years ago."

    Lewis also suggests that Williams is opportunistic, taking credit for his good deeds while in prison but not his legacy as a Crips co-founder.

    "His supporters say he is reformed, but Mr. Williams has never admitted responsibility [for the slayings] — he hasn't taken that final step to full reform. And what I find interesting, that he takes credit for saving 1,500 lives but he doesn't mention anything about the lives lost because of the Crips," Lewis said.

    Williams' lawyers say he has repeatedly apologized for his past in his children's books and messages to gang members. However, he believes that becoming a police informant would ruin his credibility with the children he is trying to help. They would see him as a snitch and not trust him.

    "These children are listening to Stanley because of who he is and what he stands for," said Williams' attorney, Jonathan Harris.

    No physical evidence tied Williams to the slayings. Shell casings connected a gun Williams owned to the crime scenes, but his attorneys have challenged the efficiency of the ballistics tests used at the time of his trial. Key prosecution witnesses said that they heard Williams admit to and brag about the slayings.

    However, Williams' lawyers have argued that these witnesses had reason to lie: one was an alleged accomplice who was granted immunity while the other was a career criminal. In addition, Williams' attorneys have argued that the prosecution unfairly dismissed all potential black jurors, making the jury that ultimately convicted him racially biased.
  10. methadone program

    methadone program Member

    Joined: Jun 15, 2005 Messages: 413 Likes Received: 0
    not only did he kill four people, he did for $120...how fucken pathetic is that?? dude said he he had to support his angel dust habit!!!! haha that shits gots all kinda addictive qualities :rolleyes:
  11. Tough Love

    Tough Love Senior Member

    Joined: Oct 10, 2004 Messages: 1,894 Likes Received: 2
    he never showed remorse from what i hear
    who the fuck cares anyways. things seemed to run fine when i didnt even know who he was nor what was going on with him
    u get put on death row...u have 25 yrs to try and mount a successfull apeal or some shit
    fuck off, dude was a crook
  12. Pistol

    Pistol Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jul 12, 2001 Messages: 19,363 Likes Received: 299
    he killed a dude less than 5 miles from where i lay my head at night.

    personally it's good he's allegedly decided to try to speak out against gang violence whatever.
    but at the same time motherfucker had alot of time to think.
    he should just own up like a fuckin' man and say fuck it whether for the murders he went to trial for or others he maybe responsible for and say i did a lot of fucked up shit in my time here inadvertantly caused thousands of broken homes, families, deaths, and what not.
    now it's time for my sentence to be completed.

    if he were to be given a stay of execution every motherfucker on death row would write some bullshit book speaking out against drugs/gangs etc just to try to get out of execution.

    'man up'/die tookie die
  13. SpyD

    SpyD Elite Member

    Joined: Aug 22, 2002 Messages: 3,093 Likes Received: 62
    Gang violence gets no love from the Spy


    Joined: Dec 9, 2005 Messages: 814 Likes Received: 3
  15. 12:02p.m

    12:02p.m Senior Member

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