Lol @ Minneapolis

[abrasivesaint]

[Hua Guofang]

1 hour ago, Dirty_habiT said:

NSFW: The headline is sensationalist.... he wasn't "left for dead" by Austin police.  He caught a rubber bullet to the head because he was in a place where police were shooting rubber bullets.  I wonder how many "peaceful protests" this kid is going to participate in in the future.

 

 

He was in a place where cops were shooting rubber bullets, doesn't matter if he was in the right, a law abiding citizen or a young kid goofing off? Seems a bit harsh.

 

I still don't understand how it's me that gets accused of loving govt power on this forum when other people seem to be pretty big fans of authority. And that's not a shot at you either, DH. I don't agree with your position but I don't hate on you for it. I just don't get why I get called a fluffer on the set of state power porno but you don't.

[Dirty_habiT]

32 minutes ago, abrasivesaint said:

Some rubber bullets can be metal coated in rubber, and they can definitely kill someone, although less likely. “Less lethal” does not mean not lethal. 
 

And if i were him, i’d attend every fucking one. 

Lol you're maybe a little crazier than I am then.  I didn't know they were rubber coated metal bullets in some cases.  A "blank" can kill someone at close enough range.

[Dirty_habiT]

15 minutes ago, Hua Guofang said:

He was in a place where cops were shooting rubber bullets, doesn't matter if he was in the right, a law abiding citizen or a young kid goofing off? Seems a bit harsh.

 

I still don't understand how it's me that gets accused of loving govt power on this forum when other people seem to be pretty big fans of authority. And that's not a shot at you either, DH. I don't agree with your position but I don't hate on you for it. I just don't get why I get called a fluffer on the set of state power porno but you don't.

You're good man, I know we don't always see eye to eye and you're not taking a shot at me by not agreeing with my view point.

 

I actually am not against the police or authority at all.  I just don't want it to be over reaching.  I want the police to protect and serve like they're meant to not use the population as an ATM.  That is one of the points that the people protesting have made, and that I agree with.  I'm just not going to go fight a losing battle.  The odds are not for the protestors.... ever really.  I'm not being a coward, i'm being smart.  I don't want to catch any rubber bullets to the head.  I think the police should clean those people off the streets because they're promoting destruction.  The ones that are destroying are hiding among those that are not.  In gym class if one kid fucks up, everyone gets to run laps.  In real life, if you're associated with a group of people that are fucking up then you can get tear gassed and shot w/ rubber bullets.

 

I'm not condoning any of this btw.  I think it sucks that I'm spending tax money on police time/resources that are being spent messing w/ these scrubs that are out here protesting because they have nothing better to do.  I've been reading, working, cooking, and doing chores while these people have been out protesting.  They either don't give a shit about having an organized life at all or they have all their shit together so well that they can go fuck off protesting like that...... "for da cause".

 

I wouldn't be so bothered by anyone here calling you a fluffer.  I know your skin is thicker than that.  I support our police and I'm not going to hear any of that mess..... I mean whoever can say whatever they want to me here and it would be my choice to let their words negatively affect me in terms of how I feel.  I'm not suggesting you're distraught over anyone's thoughts on here.... I'm just saying if you care less then it matters less if someone says you're a fluffer.

 

I say that anyone that would call me a boot licker has a square asshole.

[Dirty_habiT]

 

[abrasivesaint]

1 hour ago, Dirty_habiT said:

  I'm just not going to go fight a losing battle.  The odds are not for the protestors.... ever really.  I'm not being a coward, i'm being smart

If this were the attitude of those fighting for change, nothing would ever change. This ideology is the product 
of a functioning fucked up system. 
 

1 hour ago, Dirty_habiT said:

I think it sucks that I'm spending tax money on police time/resources that are being spent messing w/ these scrubs that are out here protesting because they have nothing better to do.  I've been reading, working, cooking, and doing chores while these people have been out protesting.  They either don't give a shit about having an organized life at all or they have all their shit together so well that they can go fuck off protesting like that...... "for da cause".

I bring to the table Joseph Warren. A Physician from Boston that eventually became a Major General in the military during the American Revolution, among other things. He was the man who sent William Dawes and Paul Revere on their famous rides to alert the country the British were coming. At the battle of Bunker Hill he relinquished his titles and fought on the front lines with the volunteers and died. 
 

Some people aren’t just trust fund college kids with nothing better to do. Some people are willing to make the sacrifices to  bring about change. 
 

edit: 

 

https://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-should-know-about-joseph-warren

Edited June 4, 2020 by abrasivesaint

[Hua Guofang]

Account and pics of peaceful protest last night being dispersed with violence.

 

Maybe nothing will happen this time, but the divide that has now been put between the educated, professional and law abiding middle class and the law is going to ripple for generations.

 

I know that cops in the US have have big problems for a long time and that this is not the first rodeo - we all know about Kent State, Waco, etc. etc. However, this is all on a million cameras, the world is watching and nothing on this scale has occurred before.

 

The rot is deep.

 

 

 

[Hua Guofang]

Another 4 Star general speaking out against the president, I Think that's three of them now.

 

There is a strong assumption that Esper went on TV to say that he did not believe that the military should be used because his generals warned him of mass resignations if they ordered the army onto the street

 

I don't believe that this has ever occurred in the history of the US.

 

Imagine what the enemies of the US are thinking when they see a military refusing to follow its commander.

 

I know a lot of us don't have faith in the system, which includes me to a large degree. But little since Nixon has done much damage like Trump has. I was out on the streets against Bush and the war in Iraq, as that has hurt America dearly. But there has been nothing like this before.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/03/trump-military-george-floyd-protests/

[Hua Guofang]

Not rioting, not looting, not attacking the police.

 

Bashed in broad daylight, in front of the camera with complete impunity.

 

 

[Fist 666]

@Hua GuofangYeah man, this is different for sure. Groundswell, watershed, etc. I believe this is new for all of our lifetimes.  Mattis' words reminded me why I do have pride in my nation and I hope his words of wisdom will help to carry us forward--if active duty ends up on the streets I will be ashamed of everyone of my brothers and sisters in arms that participates in the tyranny (and proud of those who defy the unconstitutional orders to do anything other than defend the citizens exercising the rights they swore to defend)

 

 

I will also be laughing at how very full of shit every LARPing 2A fuckstick is when they do nothing about a tyrannical government because they're going after every amendment other than the second.... 

[Hua Guofang]

Yeah, I'm yet to go back and read what @misteravenwrote about militia, I'll also read some other qualified opinions on what the militia is for, in regards to defending the nation against tyranny. But my gut feels that this is the play that everyone has been talking about and either their missing it or they were all talk and no balls. I could be wrong.

 

 

Here's what Mattis said. I'm not even American and it inspires me:

 

In Union There Is Strength

I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.

When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.

 

We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.

James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.

 

Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.

Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.

 

We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite.

Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.

[Hua Guofang]

Police initiated violence:

 

 

[abrasivesaint]

City i’m in lifted the curfew, highway signs say “daily protests downtown, expect delays and closures, and there’s businesses nowhere near downtown that have completely boarded their shit up, haha.

 

Weird times. 

[Hua Guofang]

My fucking Christ, look what they did to this old man.

 

The blood starts pouring out his ear when his head hits the concrete.

 

 

[Fist 666]

 My blood is boiling... cowards.

[Hua Guofang]

My hands are still shaking.

 

I can't help thinking of my own granpa now.

[Dirty_habiT]

Man, guys, I'm really torn.  He went right for the penis in the hornet's nest move.

 

It sucks but what did he expect was going to happen.  The sea of officers was going to part for him like has no other human in all of ever?

[Fist 666]

He expected officers, who swore to defend the constitution and the citizens of their communities (ever heard of "serve and protect?"), to treat an elderly man with a bit of fucking respect and dignity? Humanity? Rules of engagement? Escalation of force that matches the threat? Basic training of police officers? Any reasonable human might, but not you cool guy.

 

Your claim to patriotism is nothing but talk--you do not deserve the freedoms you have if that is your response to assault on an old man.

[Hua Guofang]

1 hour ago, Dirty_habiT said:

Man, guys, I'm really torn.  He went right for the penis in the hornet's nest move.

 

It sucks but what did he expect was going to happen.  The sea of officers was going to part for him like has no other human in all of ever?

He was an old man.

 

He posed zero physical threat to armed and armoured personnel. I don't think he expected a violent response, and neither should he have. Violence is not the only tool the police have to deal with people, especially those that are not threatening.

 

Careful that you're not blaming the victim for something that he 100% did not deserve. He wasn't rioting, looting, etc. and now he's lying unconscious on the ground with his head cracked open.

 

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Edited June 5, 2020 by Hua Guofang

[Hua Guofang]

Jesus fuck, look at the second video, he looks like he was just trying to get through and out of the way.

 

You can hear his head crack as it hit the ground.

 

 

[Hua Guofang]

I would be surprised if this old guys survives, given the amount of blood coming from his ear.

 

I would say that the cop may also have a date with the magistrate. I can't see this footage not enraging the nation.

 

 

[Hua Guofang]

Two officers suspended without pay.

 

He was 75 years old.

 

 

Edited June 5, 2020 by Hua Guofang

[misteraven]

3 hours ago, Hua Guofang said:

My fucking Christ, look what they did to this old man.

 

The blood starts pouring out his ear when his head hits the concrete.

 

 

Among the worst things I’ve seen. The police department’s statement on the matter was salt in the wound. Even the revised version is bullshit. 

[Hua Guofang]

Also Buffalo

 

Note the K9

 

https://twitter.com/secretlaith/status/1268251322467450880

Edited June 5, 2020 by Hua Guofang

[stunt double]

4 hours ago, Dirty_habiT said:

Man, guys, I'm really torn.  He went right for the penis in the hornet's nest move.

 

It sucks but what did he expect was going to happen.  The sea of officers was going to part for him like has no other human in all of ever?

How could you see anything but a completely callous attack on an old man?
 

Imagine it was one of your grandparents, would you feel so indifferent? 

[where]

Wow that’s all bad, if we don’t all “say his name” it will be pretty clear this isn’t a humanist movement.  

[Hua Guofang]

Anitfa threat being beaten up by online campaign (shocked, shocked....)

 

 

 

[where]

Idaho definitely isn’t representative of the country it’s 90% white, opposed to 70%  average here. There’s more indigenous people there then of African ancestry.

 

 

[Hua Guofang]

THis might surprise some but it's looking like this guy was an ex-cop

 

 

[Fist 666]

The whole world is topsy turvy...