I wanna see your...........PETS!

[ndv]

34 minutes ago, LUGR said:

Cats stance wider than most of y’all’s…

 

 

He just straightup sits like that!?  That's awesome! Lol

[LUGR]

3 hours ago, ndv said:

 

He just straightup sits like that!?  That's awesome! Lol

She typically doing some belly licking leading to that position but ends up just sitting like that on the couch for awhile quite often. Only does it on the couch.

[ndv]

1 hour ago, LUGR said:

She typically doing some belly licking leading to that position but ends up just sitting like that on the couch for awhile quite often. Only does it on the couch.

 

My bad she. 

 

Do you give her cat nip?  If so does she get a little cranky some time after, like a come down or something?

 

I ask because my girls cat gets all nippy on his come down after hot boxing his cat nip and he nips at us if we reach out to touch him.   I give him less now, and he doesn't get all strung out and nip as much if at all. 

 

The female, she just chill on the nip.  

[LUGR]

2 hours ago, ndv said:

 

My bad she. 

 

Do you give her cat nip?  If so does she get a little cranky some time after, like a come down or something?

 

I ask because my girls cat gets all nippy on his come down after hot boxing his cat nip and he nips at us if we reach out to touch him.   I give him less now, and he doesn't get all strung out and nip as much if at all. 

 

The female, she just chill on the nip.  

Yeah, I hand feed them fresh cat nip off the plant. The eat it little piece’s at a time. Haven’t noticed any come downs; but wouldn’t surprise me.

[LUGR]

She just puked a bunch with some leaves in it…..so that’s probably the side effect comedown.

[T4M*]

One of our cats made it through 16 years and showing hella signs of departure.  Yall dig graves for cats? Thoughts on cremation?

[ndv]

27 minutes ago, T4M* said:

One of our cats made it through 16 years and showing hella signs of departure.  Yall dig graves for cats? Thoughts on cremation?

 

My girl cremated her last one.  Dude is chilling in a urn.  

 

Nothing wrong with burial.

[One Man Banned]

3 hours ago, T4M* said:

One of our cats made it through 16 years and showing hella signs of departure.  Yall dig graves for cats? Thoughts on cremation?

 

Personal preferences bro.  I've buried pets and cremated them.

[cancelculttourist]

5 minutes ago, One Man Banned said:

 

Personal preferences bro.  I've buried pets and cremated them.

Guess you could always go taxidermy as well and just have a stuffed doggo buddo on ur wall if he meant that much too you.

[ndv]

1 hour ago, cancelculttourist said:

Guess you could always go taxidermy as well and just have a stuffed doggo buddo on ur wall if he meant that much too you.

 

I tried suggesting this the the lady, but I was immediately shut down.  I even offered suggestions trying to buy my way in with things like a fish in the mouth of in a specific attack mode, but all eye got was snake eyes rolling the dice. 

[cancelculttourist]

9 minutes ago, ndv said:

 

I tried suggesting this the the lady, but I was immediately shut down.  I even offered suggestions trying to buy my way in with things like a fish in the mouth of in a specific attack mode, but all eye got was snake eyes rolling the dice. 

I feel like these analogies are going way over my head or it's typos , either way I'm here for it.

[ndv]

9 minutes ago, cancelculttourist said:

I feel like these analogies are going way over my head or it's typos , either way I'm here for it.

 

19 minutes ago, ndv said:

 

I tried suggesting this to my lady, but I was immediately shut down.  I even offered suggestions trying to buy my way in with things like, a fish in the mouth, or in a specific attack mode, but all I got was snake eyes rolling the dice. 

 

 

Typos.  I can't not type for some reason.

[cancelculttourist]

1 minute ago, ndv said:

 

 

 

Typos.  I can't not type for some reason.

I can't even hold stuff soo I know the vibes, be feeling like I got palsy or something lol

[cancelculttourist]

But in hind sight a gold fish in the mouth is always proper battle field protocol.

Once they try and get squirrely on you in full engagement settings , wam spit out the goldfish at them for distraction bonus points before you go for the wrestle mania dive from side railings.

Edited April 11 by cancelculttourist

[NightmareOnElmStreet]

A healthy dose of most typical interactions with my boy Frankenstein here. I believe we are reaching a new bonding level lately me being sickly and all. Usually his cuddle game is trash and I’m told it’s a breed thing but he’s been way more chill about it on his own last couple of days. Good job Frank. 

[One Man Banned]

Strong IMO but get rid of that pinch collar @NightmareOnElmStreet

[NightmareOnElmStreet]

On 4/11/2024 at 7:30 PM, One Man Banned said:

Strong IMO but get rid of that pinch collar @NightmareOnElmStreet

Hellllllllll naw. The many trainers I’ve already consulted with strongly recommend as a stepping stone to what with eventually turn into a e collar. I can already tell he’s going to need it regardless. Dude is insanely strong and definitely doing what he wants too much. 

[SMdoubleXL]

By chance the dog beds ended up staked and Bella took full advantage of the confines of the situation. Sam soon realized he was missing out so they went back and forth whenever the other got up 

so I took their lil cheap beds out of the kitchen and stacked em for each one. Haha 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 13 by SMdoubleXL

[One Man Banned]

2 hours ago, NightmareOnElmStreet said:

Hellllllllll naw. The many trainers I’ve already consulted with strongly recommend as a stepping stone to what with eventually turn into a e collar. I can already tell he’s going to need it regardless. Dude is insanely strong and definitely doing what he wants too much. 

 

Much respect and do you, it's a preference.  I'll suggest though that you can have an obedient dog without that collar or an e-collar.  I'm not sure exactly what you meant by the pinch collar being a precursor for an e-collar but if you're paying money, likely good money, to a trainer for that advice think about that for a moment and either save your money or get a new trainer.  IMHO.

[NightmareOnElmStreet]

2 hours ago, One Man Banned said:

 

Much respect and do you, it's a preference.  I'll suggest though that you can have an obedient dog without that collar or an e-collar.  I'm not sure exactly what you meant by the pinch collar being a precursor for an e-collar but if you're paying money, likely good money, to a trainer for that advice think about that for a moment and either save your money or get a new trainer.  IMHO.

I’ve sat down with 6 different trainers in my area since late November, haven’t pulled the trigger yet. Each one specializes in gsd’s and other protection type breeds.  So far they’ve all stated they’d be using one or both methods. Plus I’ve heard of all the different approaches and all signs seem to point in bare minimum working with prong collars. At least in reading online or the hundreds of YouTube trainer folks I’ve watched. I’m curious what your avenue is, also if it’s breed specific or not? 

[misteraven]

5 hours ago, One Man Banned said:

 

Much respect and do you, it's a preference.  I'll suggest though that you can have an obedient dog without that collar or an e-collar.  I'm not sure exactly what you meant by the pinch collar being a precursor for an e-collar but if you're paying money, likely good money, to a trainer for that advice think about that for a moment and either save your money or get a new trainer.  IMHO.

Really depends on breed and type of training I believe. One of my best friends breeds / trains work dogs for military and uses them as a regular part of training and corrections. Dogs barely feel them, especially when focused, so to avoid damage from them pulling on a standard collar, these work well to remind the dog to not pull as hard before they can seriously damage themselves. Not sure I’d necessarily put one on the average pet, but considering the time, energy, love and cost that I know goes into my friends dogs, there’s no way he’d be using them if they were an issue. 

[misteraven]

A few photos of his dogs…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LUGR]

9 hours ago, SMdoubleXL said:

By chance the dog beds ended up staked and Bella took full advantage of the confines of the situation. Sam soon realized he was missing out so they went back and forth whenever the other got up 

so I took their lil cheap beds out of the kitchen and stacked em for each one. Haha 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plz get my man’s a fresh perm stat!

[NightmareOnElmStreet]

Before sitting down with I think the second trainer I was getting quotes from I thought the e collar thing was wild and excessive. Took a moment but after hearing them out and fact checking all the testimonies they plugged me into I could tell pretty quick it was a common misconception they either do harm or “break” trust it’s all about how you use them. The e collar thing. I bought one a while ago and read a book on it hence why I never got around to using it yet cause they say very very specifically if the dogs not already fully entrusted to you and following all basic commands + it will end up fucking them up. 

[One Man Banned]

Everything forward IMHO.  Caring for an animal does not automatically equate to treating them well.  Some of those photos are cool but I find the muzzles questionable along with the reasoning for the pinch collars.  Look at the "standard" collars those dogs are already wearing.  The widest collar I use to control dogs larger than those is 1".  Also worth noting that quote about war being inhumane in its nature, and some of those methods with the dogs might be crossing that line.  In any event you're talking about dogs now being used more as a tool than as a pet, and the lives of those dogs are very far removed from that of a house pet.

 

NOES I'm just going to kick out some thoughts and perspectives here and you can take or leave what you like.  

 

My personal experience with the prong collar was that it was recommended to me by a trainer without a lot of training around its use.  It's a tool and should only be worn during training, and definitely never when playing with other dogs.  The collar didn't do a lot to stop the problem behavior, and I realized over time that the collar is pinching the scruff of the neck, something I could do myself with just my hand, more humane perhaps while still achieving the same results.  It is a bit of an immature move in that puppies are taken by the scruff of their neck by their mothers but this does not occur in adulthood.  As I've gotten older and more experienced with dogs it's become clear that most problems are handler error, and that basic leash handling skills and some behavioral know how is mainly all I've needed since for all sorts of breeds.  Leash handling means that we are using the leash to communicate with the dog, and we are also using the leash to direct or correct the dog's behavior.  In other words the leash is more than a rope that connects the dog to us, it is a tool.

 

Did you buy your dog for a pet, as protection, both?  More?  Plenty of dogs will be natural protectors or guards of your home without having to do all the other stuff.  It does make a difference in terms of your search for help.  If you're searching based on breed or protection you're more likely to find people who do those specific tasks, versus if you search for an animal behaviorist or certified trainer you will find plenty of people who can work with you and your dog using other, different techniques.  Those people will also have testimonials about those methods.  

 

My buddy was a dog handler for the military.  I've definitely seen plenty of dogs at work in different branches of law enforcement, never seen any of them wearing a prong or e-collar.

 

There is no protection type breed.  There are breeds that get used for that, but a GSD is a working/herding dog.  They like to work, they can handle the grind of work, and like any working class guy when the work is done they want to have a drink at the bar and spend some time with the family.

 

Do you need a tool to gain compliance/obedience from your dog? 

 

How come you're not in charge already? 

 

Do you want your dog to comply because he respects you, or because he fears the pinch/shock?

 

Are you using the proper motivation for your dog? 

 

Let's say you go with an e-collar, and one day you open your door to get the mail or have a smoke and your dog bolts out.  In that moment you're probably not holding the e-collar remote in your hand.  What now?  What brings your dog back?

 

I'm more of a positive reinforcement type of guy, although I don't use it exclusively.  I do consider the dog's behavior and what motivates them.  I do research each breed I take if I'm not familiar with it to understand any breed specifics.  

 

One of my basics for good obedience is the feeding ritual.  I do crate feed, but even if I didn't, the dog will sit for their food, wait for me to place it down, and then will eat when I release them.  Every time.  I train my dog and all fosters to respond to verbal and/or hand commands.

 

There are times where an e-collar might be appropriate but I'm looking more at your hounds and prey driven hunting dogs that will follow their instinct if allowed.

[NightmareOnElmStreet]

8 hours ago, One Man Banned said:

Everything forward IMHO.  Caring for an animal does not automatically equate to treating them well.  Some of those photos are cool but I find the muzzles questionable along with the reasoning for the pinch collars.  Look at the "standard" collars those dogs are already wearing.  The widest collar I use to control dogs larger than those is 1".  Also worth noting that quote about war being inhumane in its nature, and some of those methods with the dogs might be crossing that line.  In any event you're talking about dogs now being used more as a tool than as a pet, and the lives of those dogs are very far removed from that of a house pet.

 

NOES I'm just going to kick out some thoughts and perspectives here and you can take or leave what you like.  

 

My personal experience with the prong collar was that it was recommended to me by a trainer without a lot of training around its use.  It's a tool and should only be worn during training, and definitely never when playing with other dogs.  The collar didn't do a lot to stop the problem behavior, and I realized over time that the collar is pinching the scruff of the neck, something I could do myself with just my hand, more humane perhaps while still achieving the same results.  It is a bit of an immature move in that puppies are taken by the scruff of their neck by their mothers but this does not occur in adulthood.  As I've gotten older and more experienced with dogs it's become clear that most problems are handler error, and that basic leash handling skills and some behavioral know how is mainly all I've needed since for all sorts of breeds.  Leash handling means that we are using the leash to communicate with the dog, and we are also using the leash to direct or correct the dog's behavior.  In other words the leash is more than a rope that connects the dog to us, it is a tool.

 

Did you buy your dog for a pet, as protection, both?  More?  Plenty of dogs will be natural protectors or guards of your home without having to do all the other stuff.  It does make a difference in terms of your search for help.  If you're searching based on breed or protection you're more likely to find people who do those specific tasks, versus if you search for an animal behaviorist or certified trainer you will find plenty of people who can work with you and your dog using other, different techniques.  Those people will also have testimonials about those methods.  

 

My buddy was a dog handler for the military.  I've definitely seen plenty of dogs at work in different branches of law enforcement, never seen any of them wearing a prong or e-collar.

 

There is no protection type breed.  There are breeds that get used for that, but a GSD is a working/herding dog.  They like to work, they can handle the grind of work, and like any working class guy when the work is done they want to have a drink at the bar and spend some time with the family.

 

Do you need a tool to gain compliance/obedience from your dog? 

 

How come you're not in charge already? 

 

Do you want your dog to comply because he respects you, or because he fears the pinch/shock?

 

Are you using the proper motivation for your dog? 

 

Let's say you go with an e-collar, and one day you open your door to get the mail or have a smoke and your dog bolts out.  In that moment you're probably not holding the e-collar remote in your hand.  What now?  What brings your dog back?

 

I'm more of a positive reinforcement type of guy, although I don't use it exclusively.  I do consider the dog's behavior and what motivates them.  I do research each breed I take if I'm not familiar with it to understand any breed specifics.  

 

One of my basics for good obedience is the feeding ritual.  I do crate feed, but even if I didn't, the dog will sit for their food, wait for me to place it down, and then will eat when I release them.  Every time.  I train my dog and all fosters to respond to verbal and/or hand commands.

 

There are times where an e-collar might be appropriate but I'm looking more at your hounds and prey driven hunting dogs that will follow their instinct if allowed.

I got this guy for a bit of both yes. Protection/family pet. I’ve done a lot with him already and he definitely listens but he’s in his prime of I’m a German Shepard mf I do what I want stage.  That shit you do with feedings I do religiously btw. He’s done it since I got him at 8 weeks early October to this day. Crate feed sit & stay outside while I leave him alone a while before ok. My buddy has a 1.5 yr old from the same parents and he’s a psycho. Does all the German command shit and tons of tons training I straight up don’t have the time for on the level but my main issues I feel are going to be settled up with professional trainings and I’m not sure why but yeah they’ll all be using those prong to e collar methods from what I’ve gathered. I hear the argument on what happens when the shit isn’t on but I think it’s supposed to be foundational and way out in the future e collars just good for hiking camping or hunting. Frankensteins come a long way but if he doesn’t feel like listening or wants to play on his own terms he can be a real mf and I’m not having that shit. 

[One Man Banned]

Well sir you have options but do you.  

[misteraven]

@One Man Bannedtheres definitely a huge difference between pet and working dog. Likewise there’s lots of differences between breeds so it’s a valid point. And naturally, pinch collars are a tool used in training and like any tool, you should know how to use it or you can hurt yourself or others. 
 

Additionally, lot of truth to your statement of how dogs get used. Fact is man has been waging war with each other since the dawn of mankind and using animals to help very soon after. That said, these dogs are used in different ways and most of them end up saving a lot of lives. Those K9’s are treated like team members and given just as much respect, training and care as their human counter parts. Being around them a fair bit, I can say with confidence that these dogs are genetically predisposed to this type of activity and seem to enjoy it immensely as well. If they were being coerced, nobody would trust their lives on what these dogs are used for and really, the relationship between dog and handler is 100% built on trust and respect. Otherwise, one or the other gets washed out of the program. 

[misteraven]

Supposed to be getting one for myself in early summer so maybe I’ll document that journey here on the forum. 

[cancelculttourist]