!@#$% Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 i was in kind of a shitty mood yesterday you don't say????? hahaa. glad you are feeling less angry today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 me and KOH can have a 'thread move' battle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nutsonmychin! Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 i got your back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLIK$ Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 dont delete my fucking posts either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire15 Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 Say what you want. Do what you want. Live how you want. Im all for gay marriage(/nohomo),im all for abortion,etc. etc. But if you burn a flag in front of me i WILL find somthing heavy and i WILL throw it at you. If i kill you,its just an added bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 turn the other cheek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CACashRefund Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 /nohomo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest nutsonmychin! Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 Say what you want. Do what you want. Live how you want. Im all for gay marriage(/nohomo),im all for abortion,etc. etc. But if you burn a flag in front of me i WILL find somthing heavy and i WILL throw it at you. If i kill you,its just an added bonus. co-signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 dont delete my fucking posts either. i'll move and delete whatever i please!!! HAHAHAAA gliks, if thats re: me, i have mod powers, i could delete shit anywhere. that's not my style. anyway, which of your posts are fucking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 wow look what im missing out on. i should go to channel zero more often. i feel the intent of buring a flag is the problem. after all burning is the proper way to destroy an old flag. an out of control court, if a anti flag burning amendment was passed, could easily be locking up old korean war vets at the vfw hall. personally if a socialist, commie or nazi is burning my flag, i'd get pissed and react. but i still support the right to burn the flag. after all it isnt necessarily the flag of the american people, its the flag of the american GOVERNMENT. wasnt our country founded on a phrase that says something similiar to "when governments become tyrannical, it is the right, it is the duty of the people to overthrow the government and replace it with a new one?" its a symbol. just like the pledge. i still like the pledge, for tradition, not because it was written by a self proclaimed socialist in the late 1800's and is a pledge of loyalty to the government. do you think thomas jefferson would be pledging allegiance to his government? hell no, he was advocating secession over the alien and sedition acts in 1798. the proper way for the people to protect the flag would be to use the state legislatures, per the 10th amendment to the federal constitution. a flag burning amendment is putting more power into the central state and the further you get from the actual constitution, the further you get away from liberty. even if i disagree with this guy below, (as i do sometimes) he has the best arguments. he sums this argument up pretty good. The Flag Flap by Murray N. Rothbard by Murray N. Rothbard There are many curious aspects to the latest flag fracas. There is the absurdity of the proposed change in our basic constitutional framework by treating such minor specifics as a flag law. There is the proposal to outlaw "desecration" of the American flag. "Desecration" means "to divest of a sacred character or office." Is the American flag, battle emblem of the U.S. government, supposed to be "sacred"? Are we to make a religion of statolatry? What sort of grotesque religion is that? And what is "desecrate" supposed to mean? What specific acts are to be outlawed? Burning seems to be the big problem, although the quantity of flag-burning in the United States seems to be somewhere close to zero. In fact, most flag burning occurs when patriotic groups such as the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars solemnly burn their worn-out American flags in the prescribed manner. But if burning the flag is to be banned, are we to clap numerous American Legion or VFW people in the hoosegow? Oh, you say that intent is the crucial point, and that you want to outlaw hippie types who burn U.S. flags with a sneer and a curse. But how are the police supposed to figure out intent, and make sure that the majesty of the law falls only upon hippie-sneerers, and spares reverent, saluting Legionnaires? But if the supporters of the proposed flag amendment are mired in absurdity, the arguments of the opponents are in almost as bad a shape. Civil libertarians have long placed their greatest stress on a sharp difference between "speech" and "action," and the claim that the First Amendment covers only speech and not actions (except, of course, for the definite action of printing and distribution of a pamphlet or book, which would come under the free press clause of the First Amendment). But, as the flag amendment advocates point out, what kind of "speech" is burning a flag? Isn't that most emphatically an action – and one that cannot come under the free press rubric? The fallback position of the civil libertarians, as per the majority decisions in the flag cases by Mr. Justice Brennan, is that flag burning is "symbolic" speech, and therefore, although an action, comes under the free speech protection. But "symbolic speech" is just about as inane as the "desecration" doctrine of the flag-law advocates. The speech/action distinction now disappears altogether, and every action can be excused and protected on the ground that it constitutes "symbolic speech." Suppose, for example, that I were a white racist, and decided to get me a gun and shoot a few blacks. But then I could say, that's OK because that's only "symbolic speech," and political symbolic speech at that, because I'm trying to make a political argument against our current pro-black legislation. Anyone who considers such an argument far-fetched should ponder a recent decision by a dotty leftist New York judge to the effect that it is "unconstitutional" for the New York subway authorities to toss beggars out of the subway stations. The jurist's argument held that begging is "symbolic speech," and expressive argument for more help to the poor. Fortunately, this argument was overturned on appeal, but still "symbolic arguers" are everywhere in New York, clogging streets, airports, and bus terminals. There is no way, then, that flag laws can be declared unconstitutional as violations of the First Amendment. The problem with flag laws has nothing to do with free speech, and civil libertarians have gotten caught in their own trap because they do in fact try to separate speech and action, a separation that is artificial and cannot long be maintained. As in the case of all dilemmas caused by the free speech doctrine, the entire problem can be resolved by focusing, not on a high-sounding but untenable right to freedom of speech, but on the natural and integral right to private property and its freedom of use. As even famed First Amendment absolutist Justice Hugo Black pointed out, no one has the free-speech right to burst into your home and harangue you about politics. "The right to freedom of speech" really means the right to hire a hall and expound your views; the "right to freedom of press" (where, as we have seen, speech and action clearly cannot be separated) means the right to print a pamphlet and sell it. In short, free speech or free press rights are a subset, albeit an important one, of the rights of private property: the right to hire, to own, to sell. Keeping our eye on property rights, the entire flag question is resolved easily and instantly. Everyone has the right to buy or weave and therefore own a piece of cloth in the shape and design of an American flag (or in any other design) and to do with it what he will: fly it, burn it, defile it, bury it, put it in the closet, wear it, etc. Flag laws are unjustifiable laws in violation of the rights of private property. (Constitutionally, there are many clauses in the Constitution from which private property rights can be derived.) On the other hand, no one has the right to come up and burn your flag, or someone else's. That should be illegal, not because a flag is being burned, but because the arsonist is burning your property without your permission. He is violating your property rights. Note the way in which the focus on property rights solves all recondite issues. Perhaps conservatives, who proclaim themselves defenders of property rights, will be moved to reconsider their support of its invasion. On the other hand, perhaps liberals, scorners of property rights, might be moved to consider that cleaving to them may be the only way, in the long run, to insure freedom of speech and press. Murray N. Rothbard (1926–1995) was the author of Man, Economy, and State, Conceived in Liberty, What Has Government Done to Our Money, The Case Against the Fed, and many other books and articles. He was also the editor – with Lew Rockwell – of The Rothbard-Rockwell Report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 PETA should be our new goverment. they are just as moronic but much more kind hearted. i like that about them. FUCK PETA! Kind hearted? Must be like those Anti-Choice activists who think it's ok to kill abortion doctors. I don't care what they push, it's all bigotry and hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy.wonka Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 i think the only time i would burn a flag is at a demonstration in front of the white house. no hate towards america, but a symbol that america is missing something, that america is not living by the idea of what it was founded on and that is freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 The only time I would burn a flag is if they made it against the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nutsonmychin! Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 the only time i would burn a flag is if it was wrapped around any number of the ppl that post in ch0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 And now that this thread is here, where threads come to die...so long, it's been real. I don't burn flags since it fucks up the ozone layer....but if I wanted to, I would. I should have made that point a while ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nutsonmychin! Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 i'll kill you. fuckin hippy. hahah, you so are a hippy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy.wonka Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 i take tht back.. i have defacated on a flag once.. for fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qawee Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 The only time I would burn a flag is if they made it against the law. Thats whats up. Normally, flag burning seems pointless, but if they made it against the law, that would be a good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shai Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Yes, porkchop, I probably am one...and that's 100% okay with me. Better that than being a hipster. That wasn't a shot at you, BTW...just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunt double Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Burning a flag is a personal choice, i don't give a fuck what people do. You may think that it is disrespectful, but they are excercising a RIGHT to speak freely. i don't know about you, but i find it much more offensive when politicians pretend like they are acting on behalf of an entire nation when they do shit like go to war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Burning a flag is a personal choice' date=' i don't give a fuck what people do. You may think that it is disrespectful, but they are excercising a RIGHT to speak freely. i don't know about you, but i find it much more offensive when politicians pretend like they are acting on behalf of an entire nation when they do shit like go to war.[/quote'] ... but it's OK when they 'act on the nation's behalf' and take away your rights at home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm do something about anything you believe in. call, complain, praise. do something! 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the.crooked Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 i think that was his point, smart. that it is rediculous for politicians to say they are for us when they do such things. for example....etc. not in that going to war is the only thing they have done against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 look at all these posts?!??!!?!? here is jennifer aniston boobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 titties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunt double Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 ... but it's OK when they 'act on the nation's behalf' and take away your rights at home? i just used that one example of going to war to make a comparison, i agree with you here as well smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Weapon X Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 her nipples look fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Wow, porkchop is a fucking idiot, eh? I'll burn the flag right in front of your fucking face and then I'm gonna stick that flag up your ass. It's my right, it's my country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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