~KRYLON2~ Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 or semi flat black Krylon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHATEU Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 god damn... what a time warp! really cool... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 Will find time to add to this... Got a ton of great photos and a million more stories. Again, @psm026needs to jump in and help fill in some gaps. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kults Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 14 hours ago, misteraven said: Will find time to add to this... Got a ton of great photos and a million more stories. Again, @psm026needs to jump in and help fill in some gaps. I really appreciate the pictures and behind the scenes stories and history, its really cool I'm looking forward to more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 Also, bumping this one as a reminder to get back on it. Anyone interested in anything in particular? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorydays Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, misteraven said: Also, bumping this one as a reminder to get back on it. Anyone interested in anything in particular? the old photos of early days is a great fucking idea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 keep on posting the history love the stories on how you put it together seconding the photos request 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 Going to post a random assortment of graphics since I'm digging through old files. Lets see how many of you guys remember... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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misteraven Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 This is from 2004... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I remember the Vapours Project like a partially recalled dream. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) strange I don't really recall many of those images even though I would definiutely have seen them. I joined January 2004 and became a lot more active winter that year (northern hemisphere winter so I should have seen them. I think I recall the misfits logo one and the yellow background spray dot logo. Plan 12 rings a bell but the rest are a mystery to me. Have you got any more pics of the magazine era? @misteravencould you please post a pic of each issue of the mag? I think I'm missing one of the later issues but not sure (maybe issue 5) Also If any body wants this is on Australian Ebay (not me trying to drum up business) https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Graffiti-magazine-The-Vapors-Issue-1-2000-Miami-Florida-USA-trains-Rare/123772861344?hash=item1cd16ffba0:g:ErMAAOSwxO9cKEqf&frcectupt=true wish I'd seen this before I paid $50.00 for one from a guy selling mags. Edited May 21, 2019 by Schnitzel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 2 hours ago, misteraven said: THE WRITERS FORUM's purpose is to establish community among like-minded individuals. Any repeated attempts to disrupt the flow of community on our boards will result in having your posting priveleges revoked and your IP information blocked to avoid any further disruptions. The following is a general list of rules for THE WRITERS FORUM. If you intend to participate on our boards, we'll expect you to follow them explicitly. DON'T DROP DIME! Any user responsible for revealing specific identities, dates, locations, or dropping personal details and/or incriminating information of any kind will be uncermoniously banned from THE WRITERS FORUM for the remainder of all eternity. DON'T BLOW UP SPOTS! Nobody wants to have their favorite chill spot over-run by strangers or toys, so if you know details about a particular spot, keep them to yourself. NO SPAM! We do not tolerate the posting of any advertising or solicitation on our message boards. Repeated offenders will have their posting priveleges suspended and their IP information blocked to avoid further infractions. NO PORN! There's plenty of spots on the web to check out porn, this isn't one of them. Keep porn off our boards! NO DRUGS! There's plenty of more interesting stuff to talk about than the blunt you and your boys smoked. Save those discussions for another board, cause drug topics aren't tolerated here. NO THEFT! Maybe your girl is impressed that you can walk out of a store with 20 cans shoved in your crotch, but we're not. Regardless of your stance on theft, we'd prefer you kept the discussion of it off our boards. That also includes offers to buy, sell, or trade bootleg merchandise. DON'T TROLL OR FLAME! Don't wander through discussions acting like an asshole. This is our house, and though we open it up to the general public, we still reserve the right to kick out people that act like pricks. STAY ON TOPIC! We've pretty much created a separate forum for every type of discussion, so make sure you post to the appropriate place. If there's (arguably) no redeeming quality to your post, than don't waste our bandwidth posting it (This goes double for posting 'First' and/or 'Page *' within threads, and triple for the posting of random images). And, if you notice a thread discussing a particular topic, for pete's sake, don't go and start a new one. Additionally, try and use informative subjects lines for new threads. Besides being helpful, it shows you're not a new jack when it comes to message boards. READ THE FAQ & HELP SECTIONS! Take a moment to read the FAQ and HELP sections before you go and start posting questions or emailing the moderators. If the answer isn't in the FAQ or HELP sections, take a moment to search through old threads, cause chances are it's been asked a thousand times before. There arent enough hours in the day to respond to every inquiry so replies won't be given to obvious answers. CUT US SOME SLACK! We maintain this message board for fun, and as our small contribution back to the online community. It's not our full time jobs to moderate these boards or handle requests, so if you don't get an immediate response to a post or email, understand that we'll get to it as soon as we can. There aren't enough hours in the day to respond to every email we get, or to fix every issue that comes up, but we'll do what we can to help you out if you remain patient and polite. NO LAW ENFORCEMENT! The use of our boards by law enforcement for the sake of researching, gathering, or in any way preparing evidence for use in any legal proceedings or prosecution is strictly forbidden. As much as we would like to claim that we maintain a pork free environment at THE WRITERS FORUM, there is little we can do to insure this. Therefore, use common sense and precautions when dealing with people you don't know or have never met in person. remember these! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorydays Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 BRO...any one of those would make amazing tee shirts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorydays Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I fucking love this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Agrees. This shit kicks ass. Nostalgia ftw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 11 hours ago, Schnitzel said: @misteravencould you please post a pic of each issue of the mag? Jacked from: https://www.12ozcollective.com/12ozprophet-brand/ Some maybe interesting facts... Issue one was a school project for college. I never intended to do more than one issue and the whole think was just me fronting. Figured I could get school credit for doing something I would have done on my own anyways, as well as maybe open people up and kick the other magazines a kick in the ass for the benefit of me being able to buy better quality mags in the future. At that time, as crazy as it sounds, laying out a magazine on a computer was a new idea especially for a graffiti zine. There were a couple in Europe that had been doing it, but most USA zines were cut and paste scans. Also, believe we were the first to use photoshop to edit the seams out of the put together shots. Again, in an era where very few people had used a computer, even less had even heard of Photoshop. At that time Photoshop version 3.2 was something like 12 floppy discs to install. It had no layer feature so you had to use alpha channels. Computers back then were lucky to have 24MB of RAM and so it was a tedious effort to edit photos like we did. Regardless, in the early issues, I'd have fun and sometimes hide weird shit in the photo edits that were done very subtly. Like change the phone number in some background signage to my own number to see if anyone would call. And yes, the can really was set on fire. I used a nail and hammer to pop the bottom and let out the pressure of a few cans. I shot them before they were lit and then shot a few as they burned. I used rubber cement to control where it would catch fire and then used several photos of it to edit together a shot I liked. The background was scans of some photo out of National Geographic I swiped from the school nature lab, that I edited to look like some pseudo spiritual horror thing (Was a huge Danzig / Misfits / Samhain fan). Issue 3 was the last issue done at school and wound up being my degree project. After the success of the first issue, I figured it was fun so I'd continue. Also, like most projects I work on, I learn so much during the process, that by the end I just want to start over. So I had a lot of ideas I wanted to explore and kept doing them. Crazy to think the original artwork from Twist was sent to the school mail room. I remember sitting outside on the street opening up the package Barry sent me and then lugging it around to class all day, showing it to a few friends. Also, issue 6 was supposed to have an entirely different cover. Os Gemeos sent me some artwork to photograph, that would have been more like a diorama. I just couldn't get the photo to be as good as I wanted with the tech of that era and the equipment I had available to me. By this point I was really enjoying the "digital collages" I was doing... Scanning random shit and layering it up in Photoshop (still using alpha channels to do so). Issue 5 was the first time I had enough confidence in my "design skills" based off several issues of doing layouts for the magazines and also several mailorder catalogs (Straight from the Bottom and later, 7th Heaven). The other covers were either collaborations or I saw them as more like an illustration, but issue 5 was actually graphic design (or at least that's how I saw it). So when the diorama idea didn't work out, I continued exploring the digital collage direction and trying to simulate the grimy layers I was documenting with photo, into a computer generated collage made up of scans and edits with Photoshop. Though by this time I had a pretty badass computer (in fact, it blew minds at the time since computers were still pretty rare), which was a Power Computing Power Tower Pro 225 with like I think 128 GB of RAM and like 16 GB of VRAM running a two monitor setup. Back then, this was like having a super computer in my bedroom since most people had barely seen a standard Mac like the old Performa series and I was running some crazy optimized, custom built workhorse. Anyhow, my computer crashed as I was wrapping up the cover of issue 6, which was the last step in the process. I had already committed to a press schedule and after having spent like a week and a half on the cover to that point, had to quickly rebuild the entire thing in like a day using the various bits and pieces, scans etc. Sounds retarded, but there was no auto save and worse, it wasn't unusual for an app or computer to crash and corrupt the entire file, meaning you couldn't even open it if you saved. So, to mitigate that possibility, you'd "save as" and have dozens of versions of it in progress, which helped save it. Regardless, it was a minor miracle at the time. Also, theVapors Project Issue 1 (not pictured here), was significant in that it was a reflection of where my head was at that has ironically come full circle... At the time, I was frustrated by how "commercial" graffiti had become. This was many years before "street art" but the scene became more about these organized legal walls with all this coordination and strategy and endless hues of Euro paint and less about the true spontaneity and rebelliousness of what drew me to graffiti in the first place. Spending time with Twist (issue 3) was still fresh in my mind and I really appreciated what I felt was the true essence of graffiti... The act of forcing a name down everyone throat, but balancing out originality and style under the pressures of doing it illegal, at night and often in dangerous locations. Likewise, I was feeling a lot of pressure to follow the trends and expectations people had of 12oz, since by that point it had become the defacto standard for showcasing the entire scene. Coupled with the fact that when an issue dropped, everyone wanted to get down and companies would send me all kinds of free shit, but then after months would barely bother with a call back... theVapors Project was a sort of "FUCK YOU" to everyone. It was chance to start clean and was an opportunity to dive back under ground as graffiti was reaching new heights in the main stream. The goal was to deconstruct graffiti back into its basic elements and showcase the hero's and villains of graffiti rather than the massive teams doing those mega productions that defined the 1990s and early 2000s. Anyhow, its not too far from where things are now in that I walked away from the "media platform" side of 12oz rather than continue pushing to make 12ozProphet sit at the center of street art. Likewise, moving away from the obvious shit and instead exploring themes like I've done here on the forum and in some of the product like living off-grid or American gun / tactical culture, is sort of like another "FUCK YOU" that takes 12oz back down deeper into the rebellious spirit and counter culture that inspired it from the very beginning. Probably not doing myself justice with this *somewhat* brief explanation, but hopefully you guys get what I'm saying. We can continue that line of discussion more if anyone is interested, but in any case, here's some decent shots of all the 12oz mags and some other cool stuff from way back. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mn1_fuckos Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I vaguely remember the top one I believe that was the banner that was up when I first discovered 12oz i think the forum had a very dark green tint to it? I was lurking back in 2005 and didnt make an acocunt until 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 HOLY FUCK! Just found the Jesus Potato on an ancient backup! 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 Who remembers this? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kults Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 51 minutes ago, misteraven said: Who remembers this? I remember 2 and 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorydays Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 id take a tee with the mag covers on them...issue 1 would make a fire ass tee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kults Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, glorydays said: id take a tee with the mag covers on them...issue 1 would make a fire ass tee Issue 6 for me, when it finally fell apart from repeated thumbing I used the cover as makeshift poster. Holds such nostalgic value for me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorydays Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, Kults said: Issue 6 for me, when it finally fell apart from repeated thumbing I used the cover as makeshift poster. Holds such nostalgic value for me That's fucking rad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Issue 3 is still my fav and one of only two mags I still have in my possession. You put that Twist cover on a T, I buy it. I lurked on this website, on and off for about 5 years. It was only when I actually picked the cans up again that I made an account. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorydays Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I lurked on here around 2008-2009 cuz of the supreme Rizzoli book 12oz was featured in the book and I wondered who the fuck it was 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 yup missing iasue 5 Cheers Ravel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 hour ago, glorydays said: I lurked on here around 2008-2009 cuz of the supreme Rizzoli book 12oz was featured in the book and I wondered who the fuck it was Yeah, I did a bunch of shots for that book... https://www.12ozcollective.com/supreme-new-york/ Also helped orchestrate some of the recent Supreme x Timberland collabs that came out the last few years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayabusa Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Loved the old oonz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorydays Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 16 hours ago, misteraven said: Yeah, I did a bunch of shots for that book... https://www.12ozcollective.com/supreme-new-york/ Also helped orchestrate some of the recent Supreme x Timberland collabs that came out the last few years. 12ozprophet should do a Rizzoli book...I vote for that Rizzoli book and a tee for forum members 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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