Vanity Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 What i don't want, and would probably avoid: fashion, high-brow art, low brow artists that wish they were high brow, flavor band of the week, your friends, reader submissions, and there's other stuff im sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 a whole book on brazil, or more specifically picxaõ (or however it's spelt). i can't get enough of that shit and there needs to be a real effort made of documenting it for the world to see. uze & que wufc/sdk (stockholm). an interview/lots of flicks of them. tag team of the century. fmk/174th crew(s) (france) special. all those dudes are ill and deserve way more props than they've received. handstyles of paris. the kids there are 200 times better than the rest of the world and deserve recognition for it history of the new york throw up history of philly hands chintz lifetime achivement award that's all i've got right now, but expect wayyyy more ideas outta me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
why write? Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 - ny subway being painted on in 2004-2005 definatly a history on philly hands and history and why euro style is so much different a lot of good interesting interviews some hot sketches some tits too....cant forget them and id like to see a lot of trains mostly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Quickwood Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 -Dondi -In i don't really like looking at sketches in magazines, myself. an article about the drastic change of graffiti style from the early 90s to now in los angeles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneeightyone Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 It's hard to find exactly what can be written about graffiti that hasnt been already. The basis is very limited to a few things really. having said that, everything thats been mentioned has been done before hasnt it? The only fresh idea was key's history on the materials and such. One of the magazines that i regularly get is "graphotism" the way they have their layouts and the people that are interviewed is broad and captivates for one. ( a few months back they had an interview with snatch, who was stated is now a singer in a pop group, that kinda stuff) also interviews with not just writers but artist from all over the world. Is this a book going the gauntlet of graffitti or strictly based on one part of it? going into the art aspect ? wheat pasting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 graphotism is weak. shitty photos, way too many ads, and just an all-round terrible magazine. are they trying to be vogue or some shit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilt TA Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 not to be a dick or anything..but i don't think anything is interesting about the life of a bencher...i bench all the time..it's fun for me..but i couldn't see someone who doesn't bench being entertained by reading why someone benches.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackfatsoe Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 ^for the people who dont bench it could be inetersting bushopping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneeightyone Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Originally posted by mackfatsoe@Mar 22 2005, 11:25 PM ^for the people who dont bench it could be inetersting bushopping? Quoted post What's so interesting? like...seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackfatsoe Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 fuck if i know i was just playing devils advocate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 i could write that article: THE LIFE OF A BENCHER By Mr. ABC esq i woke up. i went to the spot. i sat and waited. some trains went past with graffiti on them. i took photos of them. when i ran out of film i went home. THE END. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porque Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 ...yeah...on the surface it sounds kinda boring...but out of the thousands of kids that paint trains, there are very few that are also dedicated benchers...i just think it would be a more interesting way to cover freights than just one guy talking about all the panels he's done...in the experience that i've had, the kids that are benchers have a completely different perspective on freight painting than the kids that don't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 yeah, but what would you rather read about; a. a guy that actually paints graffiti or b. a guy that looks at graffiti. ? i know what i'd prefer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHorton Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 ^ a guy who looks at graffiti ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 arf arf arf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Feets Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Okay, so umm... 1) An interview with someone(s) who doesn't get much coverage/exposure. Check. 2) Graffiti History on a certain topic. Whether it be a city, spray can, or a style. (ie. Philly Hands, this could be interesting) Check. 3) A section dedicated to the "abstract" (or whatever you want to call it) would be ill. 4) A section dedicated to dropping knowledge on new jacks. Maybe an overview on how graffiti has changed over the past 30 years. Compare and contrast. Whatever. 5) Pictures that I haven't seen already on the net would be nice. I'll add more later. By the way Misterraven, is it already too late to submit photos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Leader Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 fuck it! Let's interview garbage men! Ask them about their routes. What soap they use to get the smell of rotting garbage off of them every day. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOx Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 no interviews. im sick of reading writers trying to sound intellectual and sophisted but street at the same time. No concept based articles on hip hop or graff culture, that shit is all subjective and it means very little to other people. Nothing 'histories' on how certain aspects of graff evolved, its immeasurably complex and thus piontless to write about and annoying to read people trying to express their piontless opinions. The mag should be scene based with lots of photos and maybe brief stories, and short articles on whats going on in the particluar scene and the way writers from particular crews and cities get down, with lots of raw flicks. maybe a section or two on the others thing in life like drinking and having fun and music and random cool things like visits to different countries and getting down with vietnamese protitutes but mainly no stupid articles about things that cant be written about objectively and therefore there is no piont writing about, because no one cares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Originally posted by WhiteOx@Mar 23 2005, 05:07 PM No concept based articles on hip hop or graff culture, that shit is all subjective and it means very little to other people. Nothing 'histories' on how certain aspects of graff evolved, its immeasurably complex and thus piontless to write about and annoying to read people trying to express their piontless opinions. Quoted post when i was referring to a history on whatever, i meant a history in photos. a timeline of photos tells more of a tale than anybody could put into words. and i'll second the 'no hip hop' request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POIESIS Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 whoever said a book on pichação, that gets my vote. and i don't see why nobody has put a real nice, fat twins book out yet.. anything different from your regular graffiti that every kid and mother is doing. civilian type graffiti too...random bullshit that people that have zero affiliation with graffiti do..i find that 10 million times more interesting and real than most shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Originally posted by POIESIS@Mar 23 2005, 05:47 PM civilian type graffiti too...random bullshit that people that have zero affiliation with graffiti do.. Quoted post ooh, yeah. you just reminded me of the king of kalhoon. an article on him would be fucking rad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOx Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Originally posted by porque@Mar 23 2005, 05:01 AM ...yeah...on the surface it sounds kinda boring...but out of the thousands of kids that paint trains, there are very few that are also dedicated benchers...i just think it would be a more interesting way to cover freights than just one guy talking about all the panels he's done...in the experience that i've had, the kids that are benchers have a completely different perspective on freight painting than the kids that don't... Quoted post youd have to be an earnest hemmingway to make that shit interesting abc - yeah i dont know why i didnt assume photo history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilgore Trout Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 i wanna see a photo essay on people's backyards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sneak Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Originally posted by WhiteOx@Mar 23 2005, 07:07 AM no interviews. im sick of reading writers trying to sound intellectual and sophisted but street at the same time. No concept based articles on hip hop or graff culture, that shit is all subjective and it means very little to other people. Nothing 'histories' on how certain aspects of graff evolved, its immeasurably complex and thus piontless to write about and annoying to read people trying to express their piontless opinions. The mag should be scene based with lots of photos and maybe brief stories, and short articles on whats going on in the particluar scene and the way writers from particular crews and cities get down, with lots of raw flicks. maybe a section or two on the others thing in life like drinking and having fun and music and random cool things like visits to different countries and getting down with vietnamese protitutes but mainly no stupid articles about things that cant be written about objectively and therefore there is no piont writing about, because no one cares Quoted post i like these ideas. this is what i was kind of leading towards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermdog Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Baltimore Graffiti.... I like the idea of a bencher's perspective. Not every bencher sits in one spot and waits for a car to roll by... what do you know about visiting 6-8 spots over an 8 hour peroid? Benching hot yards without permission... ..ah nevermind it would be better to be misunderstood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fondles Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 If you are releasing 2 books a year, and i don't know how street or how professional you are going to do the covers, but maybe on the spine on the outside, when you put the 2 together it could make a picture. But nice and subtle, not all annoying and wildly colorful. I don't know what that's called, but it doesn't have to be a picture of a bomb or piece or whatever. yeah. like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26SidedCube Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 I still like the idea of dabbling into different aspects that surround graffiti without coming out and saying 'this is for people that do graffiti!!'. I.E.: Replace "Fix It" with "Surveillance" (dress, how to behave, repelling, gathering info, 5-point entry methods), "Color/Line Theory" (duh), "Urban Survival" (dumpster diving, free places to stay, evasion, etc), or "Train Hopping" (safety, history, methods). Are you guys going for something unique that almost has a function or another bunch of pictures and stories of another egotist's life that I (and I think most other writers) could give two shits about? Sure, they're entertaining and it's good to pay respects but I think interview/stories belong in magazines due to shelf life. How many tmies can you read the same interview/story and how much can you really learn from it? If lesser-known kings of the past were a topic people are interested in I'd dedicate an entire book, instead of a section, to that. Remember all those really grandeous thread ideas everyone had for Ch.0 about a year or two ago? Well, here's the chance to do it right. Once again, that's probably "too much work" ...so go with more pictures of graffiti I could probably find somewhere on the internet. ..back to work I go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_dowmagik Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 art of deceased 12oz soldiers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Rage- Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Originally posted by Misteraven@Mar 22 2005, 04:31 PM no need to worry about crappy advertisers... there will be no advertising. Quoted post And THIS is why I love 12oz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misteraven Posted March 23, 2005 Author Share Posted March 23, 2005 since so few people have actually been able to score copies of 12oz, or are too young to remember them, we'd been discussing maybe republshing some of the better parts of past issues along with all the accompanying photos that we never had room to print. ultimately, whatever we do will probably be a reflection of where are heads are at. i'm not really trying to do straight graffiti interviews or a typical graff book cause that's not really what i'm about or what i'm into. same with when we were actually releasing 12ozprophet magazine, we've always had one foot in the door, and the other someplace else. since our heritage is in graffiti, i'm sure the underlying themes will probably be graffiti or street oriented, but we're also into a lot of other stuff that has a big influence on where we go with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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