who attacked the pentagon?

[haunts]

sorry about that

[Guest BROWNer]

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another one, more 'investigative' except the central problem all these

no plane theories have is they are effective at pointing out there's no plane,

but none of them make any effort to explain where the plane might have been

or how come hundreds of eyewitnesses SAW a 757 fly over them.

[hobo knife]

^^^

 

A lot of the "eyewitness accounts" that saw a 757 came from ONE reporter that supposedly talked to all these different "people"... where as a lot of the eyewitness acounts that saw a smaller plane came from several different sources...

 

And as far as what happened with the plane if it wasn't crashed into the pentagon, thats just obvious. First of all you have to understand who was on each of these four planes...each plane happened to have a very low number of passengers, but an usually high number of avionics specialists. Avionics specialists that worked for private and public agencies that specialize in "remote control aviation" the type of technology that would be needed to fly commercial planes into buildings.

 

After all four planes are "hi-jacked" they land at an undisclosed location and all the passengers are quickly boarded onto fourth plane that crashed in PA. then the other three "hi-jacked" planes are flown to their prospective targets. only the pentagon plane doesn't respond to the remote device. So then, to complete the pentagon strike Andrews Airforce Base disbatches small military jet to carry out the 757's job.

 

Some of the people that worked on this project didn't know what they were working on they just knew they had to figure out how to guide commercial airliners into targets with remote control deivces...to keep them from putting two and two together they were boarded onto the flight that crashed in PA and then shot down.

 

Pretty simple, I'm surprised you didn't know this already.

[mental invalid]

what?!

[villain]

Originally posted by mental invalid@Jan 24 2005, 10:19 AM

what?!

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[Guest BROWNer]

Originally posted by mental invalid@Jan 24 2005, 07:19 AM

what?!

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[Guest imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by mental invalid@Jan 24 2005, 10:19 AM

what?!

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WHAT!?

[mental invalid]

glad i wasnt the only one flabbergasted...

[ledzep]

Originally posted by El Producto@Dec 3 2004, 08:12 PM

rage is gay???

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[heavyLox]

you mean rage is happy-go-lucky?

[Guest BROWNer]

hoboknife..can you post up some links in regards

to the info you posted?

[Guest bigdork]

I wouldnt put anything past this adminstration, if it wasnt for 9/11 Bush would go down as the worst president ever by republicans and democrats alike, and he definatley would not of been relected, The gains that him and the neo-cons have achieved through the tragedy of 9/11 make no scenario far-fetched.

[robJ]

some shit on Flight77 and 911 from www.rense.com ,

 

 

http://www.rense.com/general20/hunt.htm

 

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

 

http://www.rense.com/general61/things.htm

 

http://www.rense.com/general32/25.htm

 

http://www.rense.com/general56/lied.htm

[hobo knife]

Marvin Bush, Oh brother where art thou?

 

THEORY: Marvin P. Bush, with other co-conspirators, knew and permitted the planting of bombs in the World Trade Center on or around September 8 and 9, 2001 for the purpose of destroying and pulverizing the World Trade Center twin towers on September 11, 2001 and killing several thousand innocent people.

 

 

 

On Thursday before 9-11, building security removed the bomb-sniffing dogs that had been safeguarding the World Trade Center against bombs. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

 

 

 

On Saturday and Sunday before 9-11, the power was shut down in the twin towers and unidentified technicians „rewired“ the buildings from the 50th floor upwards; it is obvious that this could have been an opportunity to plant demolition charges to later take the buildings down.

 

 

 

The private security company who was responsible for the security of the World Trade Center on 9-11-1 was Securacom, a Bush family company. On the Board of Directors of Securacom was Marvin P. Bush, one of President George W. Bush’s brothers. This Bush family company was a joint venture with the ruling Al Sabah family of Kuwait.

 

 

 

Barbara Bush has admitted that her son Marvin was in Manhattan at the World Trade Center when the buildings were taken down as if to supervise. A nephew of Barbara Bush, James Pierce, apparently was tipped off and vacated his office in the World Trade Center shortly before the very location of his office was hit and blown up in a huge explosion during one of the attacks.

 

 

 

On Terror Tuesday, 9-11-1, bombs exploded in the World Trade Center and demolished the twin towers, killing over two thousand Americans. This was originally explained by Albert Turi, the New York Fire Department Security Chief, and numerous bomb experts, confirmed by dozens of eyewitnesses of the explosions, the seismic measurements of the explosions, the original version of the mainstream TV videos (meticulously documented by Henrik Melvang, Denmark), the huge explosion blasts that rocked at least one helicopter and blew-up otherwise inexplicably huge dust clouds, etc. The bombs were apparently placed in the World Trade Center under the responsibility of a security company entitled ”Securacom” that was controlled by the Bush family.

 

http://www.cloakanddagger.ca/media/Grossma...0Apocalypse.htm

[Guest BROWNer]

i was actually looking for links in specific reference to your

matter of fact pronouncements of the pentagon hit..

?

[hobo knife]

Originally posted by BROWNer@Jan 25 2005, 11:21 AM

i was actually looking for links in specific reference to your

matter of fact pronouncements of the pentagon hit..

?

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Well, here is the best I can find.

 

 

 

 

Critics of “conspiracy theorists” have tried to nullify talk of remote controlled planes as being the talk of lunatics. Global Hawk (Raytheon) is a large military aircraft that has flown 7000 miles without a pilot as discussed in this Air Force public affairs article, and is being widely used in the current Iraq war.

(Oct 2001) A FedEx 727 cargo plane lands using remote control technology being developed by Raytheon.

Photo by AP/Raytheon

 

They also make large commercial planes for FedEx that fly by remote control as reported by the Associated Press. The “success” of this operation depended on the planes reaching their destination. Would the planners (be they Arab or otherwise) trust poorly trained “pilots” when this technology was at their disposal?

 

Reported only in a Portuguese newspaper, The Portugal News Weekend Edition (May 8, 2002) , a group of US pilots deliberated non-stop for 72 hours in an independent analysis of the 911 story. The inquiry stated, “The so-called terrorist attack was in fact a superbly executed military operation carried out against the USA, requiring the utmost professional military skill in command, communications, and control.” Captain Kent Hill USAF Ret, a friend of Chuck Burlingame (the pilot of Flight 77), confirmed the ability of flying aircraft from the ground. An ex Vietnam fighter pilot said, “Those birds either had a crack fighter pilot in the left seat, or they were being maneuvered by remote control.”

 

And now for the passengers:

 

The following information is gathered from many sources posted on the Internet.

 

Dong Lee, Ruben Ornedo, and Chad Keller all worked for Boeing. Lee also worked for the NSA. Stanley Hall, “the dean of electronic warfare,” (along with Peter Gay, David Kolvacin, and Kenneth Waldie on other flights), worked for Raytheon.

 

William Caswell was a particle physicist who worked for the Navy. His job was so classified that his family had no clue as to what he did and did not know why he was flying to California.

 

Charles Droz, LCDR USN Ret, was a software developer for EM solutions (manufacturer of Wide Area Networks).

 

Robert Penniger worked for BAE Systems, (“an industry leader in flight control systems”), whose Board is comprised of many from the intelligence community. BAE has apparently removed their Board of Directors page, but it list a "who's who" of high level connections to the CIA, DARPA, and NSA.

 

The Outside Directors list read as follows:

[The following Outside Directors were not on Flight 77]

 

Richard J. Kerr

former Deputy Director of Central Intelligence

 

Mr. Kerr served in the U.S. Intelligence community for 32 years - from September 1960 until March 1992. He started as a country analyst in the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and ended his career as the senior professional intelligence officer in the U.S. government serving as Deputy Director of Central Intelligence.

 

Dr. William Schneider, Jr.

former Under Secretary State for Security, Science and Technology

 

Prior to serving on the board, Dr. Schneider was formerly Under Secretary of State for Security Assistance, Science and Technology (1982-1986). He served as Associate Director for National Security and International Affairs at the Office of Management and Budget (198l-2) prior to being nominated as Under Secretary by the President.

 

Dr. Robert S. Cooper

former Director, DARPA

 

Dr. Cooper is currently President, CEO, Director and co-founder of Atlantic Aerospace Electronics Corporation. From 1981 to 1985, Dr. Cooper was Assistant Secretary of Defense for Research and Technology and simultaneously held the position of Director for the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). As Assistant Secretary, he was principal advisor to the Secretary of Defense on the allocation of Department resources to research, exploratory development and advanced development projects.

 

General Anthony C. Zinni (Ret)

former Commander-in-Chief, CENTCOM

 

Gen. Zinni was formerly Commander-in-Chief, U.S. Central Command. While in the Marine Corps he held numerous command and staff assignments that include platoon, company, battalion, regimental, Marine expeditionary unit, and Marine expeditionary force command. His staff assignments included service on battalion, regimental, division, base, and service staffs in operations, training, special operations, counterterrorism, and manpower billets. Gen. Zinni most recently served as the United States Special Envoy to the Middle East.

 

General Kenneth A. Minihan (Ret)

former Director National Security Agency; Central Security Service

 

LtGen Minihan served more than thirty-three years of active commissioned service to the nation before retiring from the U.S. Air Force in 1999. On his final tour of duty, he served as the 14th Director of the National Security Agency/Central Security Service, a combat support agency of the Department of Defense with military and civilian personnel stationed worldwide. As Director, he was the senior uniformed intelligence officer in the Department of Defense. He also served as the Director of The Defense Intelligence Agency.

 

Robert L. Prestel

former Deputy Director, National Security Agency

 

Mr. Prestel served as Deputy Director of the National Security Agency (NSA) from 1990 - . He was the senior civilian presiding over this Defense Agency whose principal missions are the production of foreign Signals Intelligence and the protection of official U.S. Government communications and information systems.

[Didn't want to you get confused about who were the fallen passengers]

 

Back to More Passengers

 

Robert Ploger and his wife were added “late” to the original CNN passenger list. He is the son of Major General Robert R Ploger USA, Ret, another “flag” link. The other “late” addition was Sandra Teague, a physical therapist at Georgetown University Hospital.

 

John Sammartino and Leonard Taylor worked at Xontech (missile defense), another company connected to the intelligence community, also with ties to Boeing.

 

Vicki Yancey worked for Vreedenberg Corp, yet another company connected to the intelligence community. Her father describes her death as a “planned murder.” Her widower works for Northrup-Grumman.

 

Mary Jane Booth was in a position to know what was going on at Dulles Airport as secretary for American Airlines general manager.

 

John Yamnicky, 71, Capt USN Ret, was a defense contractor for Veridian who had done a number of “black ops,” according to his son.

 

The physicians, lawyers, biotech representatives, and “human interest” victims who were aboard, could also provide important clues, but in the interest of space, we will save for future consideration.

 

Many readers recall a particular Fox Television TV show called “The Lone Gunman” which was aired on March 2, 2001. In the show, the bad guys control a passenger airplane by remote control with intentions of flying it into the World Trade Center. The villains were from the arms industry; the motive being to inflame the public and thereby increase arms sales to use against “terrorists.” Life indeed imitates art. Here is the synopsis:

 

It has been reported that some people were warned not to fly that day. One was reported to be Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco. Another was Muslim author Salman Rushdie. The person on that flight MOST likely to be warned was Robert Speisman. He was an executive at Lazare Kaplan, a diamond merchant, and son in law of Maurice Templesman. Templesman was Jackie Kennedy’s long time lover and is highly connected accoring to Time Magazine. Time also reported about about his “special access” to the National Security Council. He has also “stepped out” with Madeleine Albright.

 

I attempted on three occasions to obtain a final passenger list from American Airlines. They refuse to give a list and in fact won’t even verify that they gave the first list to CNN. Since the list is in the public domain, I find it curious that they would not take ownership nor provide a current, “correct” list.

 

Would it even be necessary to “lure” all expendables onto the designated death flights? Why not just grab those you want to get rid of and then slip them into the pile later? Have you seen an interview with the check-in personnel for the flights who can tell us who actually got on any of these flights? Not a chance. In fairness, Washington, D.C. and it's suburbs draw a great number of contractors for the military and intelligence communities in their normal course of business. It may be mere coincidence that these passengers were all on the same flight; however; the government refuses to release information which would relieve our concerns.

[POIESIS]

...L-I-N-K-S.

[POIESIS]

hello?

[hobo knife]

http://home.att.net/~professorboris/SPECTR...eret_Matkal.htm

 

a little info on the anti-terror "israeli hi-jack team" that helped out on 911

[POIESIS]

dude, are you trying to drive me bonkers?

while the above link may be interesting, you still haven't addressed

your initial post with any links or evidence..

these other links are peripheral and do not confirm a whole.

i'm sorry to keep bothering you, but unless you were being sarcastic,

i don't see the obviousness of it..and regrettably, i don't have the

time, patience or motivation to trawl the hundreds of 9/11 conspiracy

sites to find reference to your claims..claims i haven't read anywhere

during a time when i was trawling these types of sites.

why can't you just provide a couple of links backing up your initial

claims? you must have read it somewhere, right?

[MAGS156]

this is what happend to the plane when it hit the pentagon

 

http://www.filecabi.net/video/planewall.html

 

that is why there is nothing left

[insane30]

good link mags......really makes it clear what couldve happened to the plane but then again with the pentagon it wasnt that perfect of a crash, or so they say

[Dawood]

even with that, the hole is not big enough for a jet that size to fit in, It's a weird thing, it is.

[Stereotype V.001]

Looks pretty big to me. If you look at the wall in the video that was designed to "move and absorb energy" it wasn't even completely destroyed, so I think a blast resistant wall for one of the most secure buildings in the world might have been a little resistant.

[I.C.Shadow]

Oprah did it.

 

wonk.

[Dawood]

Here is a crystal clear photo of the actual damage done to the building.

 

 

Here is an image of a 757 compared to the damage scene. It appears that the wings and tail section extend beyond the area of the damage. You will also see the entry and exit hole after the impact.

 

 

 

 

This image shows firefighters spraying foam on the building prior to the collapse of that section of the wall.

 

 

The next image highlights the hole supposedly created by a 757 slamming into the building

 

 

Here we compare images of before and after the collapse.

 

 

theres more and it's very interesting

 

http://911truth.tripod.com/pentagon.html

 

 

Global Hawk hit the Pentagon?

[BURLAP]

if it wasn't a plane, then what happened to the people on that flight?

and what about all the eye witnesses who saw a plane cross in front of them on

the highway and slam into the pentagon?

[Dawood]

Originally posted by BURLAP@Jan 29 2006, 02:37 AM

if it wasn't a plane, then what happened to the people on that flight?

and what about all the eye witnesses who saw a plane cross in front of them on

the highway and slam into the pentagon?

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A global hawk is a plane, and as for the people on the flight??

 

I don't know, they make Jimmy Hoffa and Lucky Luciano disappear

as easy as spaghatti and meatballs on Bensonhurst in Brooklyn.

I don't have the answers, bro, Just interesting stuff thats all.

[!@#$%]

on TV this morning i saw three people interviewed who were originally going to be on flight 93 that crashed in PA but missed thier flights or changed their minds

 

interesting too

[hobo knife]

oh man...

 

I probably got myself on all types of gov't watch lists with all the research I did on this a year ago...

 

There are pretty good arguments supporting both the official(officialy bullshit)story and lots of the other explanations of what happened.

 

Although in my mind there are some questions that the official story just can't explain. All the "conspiracy theories" may not be 100% true but neither is the official story, therefore the gov't has something to hide; most likely their involvement. I don't think the absence of the plane is such a big issue...it's other things....such as why didn't the terrorists find out that section of the pentagon was empty? all that planning just to attack some empty offices. And why did they circle the pentagon and make a very difficult descent and bring the "757" within 10 feet of the ground to strike the bottom floor of the outer ring? They approached from the north and saw the pentagon but decided to circle around to hit the empty south side?? How could this pilot with no flying experience pull that off? Why did our defenses fail? we had over an hour to deploy fighter jets around our capital when we were obviously under attack, there is an airforce base responsible for defending washington just a mile or two away from the pentagon, yet with four planes hijacked we didn't put fighter jets over DC? then they start flying into buildings and there is one headed towards DC and we still didn't have any fighter jets. bullshit. ...Then whats even better is, we were so slow to defend the pentagon, but yet within minutes the fucking cia collected every video camera that could have gotten footage of the attack. ...hahahah.... how stupid do you have to be to believe the official story????