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you know what some of these conspiracy theories are kinda crazy. but what the fuck is up with the 911 story in our money

now thats just too much.

if u dont know what im talking about

try folding a 5 10 20 50 and 100 dollar bill into a plane the same way . the old ones.... and yeah

there u go

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Originally posted by GamblersGrin@Mar 13 2006, 03:06 PM

i saw an internet video where they said 9-11 was made up and didnt even happen, kind of like how people say the holocaust never happened. i think i may be beginning to believe 9-11 never happened.

 

I never saw the twin towers ever i have only seen the hole...so maybe it was never their maybe you people arent even their the world IS A LIE AHHHHHHHHHHHH

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My best friend was attending classes at George Washington University at the time. She def heard a plane.

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Originally posted by symbols@Dec 21 2004, 09:21 PM

i finally had time to watch this.

 

pretty fucking riveting.

as a person who believes the u.s. knows far more about 9/11 than it admits, and a person who believed that a hijacked boeing did hit the pentagon, that was an amazing film.

 

up to this point, i'd had no idea of the amount of cover up associated with this. i knew the implausibilities, but i had no idea it went this deep.

 

my ex's neighbor died in that crash.

i would very much like to know what happened to the plane that was "supposedly" hijacked. after all, over a hundred people died on that flight. when did they die? where did they go?

 

a lot of questions that may never be answered.

 

i knew some people who said they witnessed it,. and also knew others who had witnessed it..i might have to go interrogate them.

 

 

 

i liked the way the film was put together though, this was good.

 

Was your ex's neighbor in the pentagon or in the plane?

That video is alright..This one goes waaay more into detail about both the pentagon AND the towers. AND Pennsylvania. You gotta watch this one...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...&q=loose+change

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this is what i'd posted before mams edited the two topics together:

 

there are already a few threads on this

please search before you start a new thread.

 

 

several friends of mine were living in D.C. at the time so they experienced the ensuing chaos, one of em said he saw the plane, and another one of my friends knew a person who saw the plane while iin traffic on the capitol beltway.

 

an exboyfriend was the son of a CIA agent who lives in northern virginia (in a neighborhood full of gov't employees)

one of his neighbors was actually ON the plane that crashed, leaving behind two small sons and a wife.

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ayo, what happened to the anthrax attack investigation yo.....

and yo, ayo, what happened to that niguh binladen?

and shit yo, what the fuck, was the 9/11 commission report even a real investigation?

and what the fuck was up with bush in the classroom son?

 

yyoooooo...

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operation northwoods

 

scans of the real documents

 

if you don't know what operation northwoods is, you need to read that.

 

 

operation endgame

 

 

the end result is american gulags for political dissidents.

 

if you don't agree with the govt., you get thrown in a camp.

ICE is going under the guise of getting rid of illegals (immigrants),

but if you read further in, it talks about citizens and dissidents.

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Originally posted by Juan Fuentes@Mar 13 2006, 11:48 PM

compiracy theories? there is no "theory" its reality...

 

 

you can't say that about all of it.

there's alot of bullshit in the world,

 

looking at what's happening in the world,

how the elite flaunt what they are doing

right in front of our faces, that is reality.

 

it's in the news. those anti-muslim cartoons...psy-ops.

the french riots...psy-ops....it's all to engrain in us anti-muslim sentiments.

even back to september 11th of '01. why did 7 of the hijackers list pensacola naval air station as their homes on the visas? were they just lying or completely flaunting it in front of our faces?

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alex jones, is that ^you?

 

anyhooey..this stuff gets a little hard to stand behind after you read through 50 different web sourced articles by people that you have really no way of verifying how legitimate they are and such..especially when the claims get demonstrably outrageous. i mean, i learned about northwoods by reading james bamford books, but at least he's got some credentials that mean something. alex jones is a dude who uses kinda shitty tactics in his presenting his theories, which is interesting. like i noticed he likes to use kinda creepy/spooky ambient soundscapes for some of his docs, implying quite effectively some inherently nefarious and deeply disturbing reality that pretty much resembles a fearmongering sort of angle. i remember hearing some radio show and they had some callers phone in and they were defending jones with just hilarious shit...like 'how do you know jones is telling the truth maam?'...'he just is-HE JUST IS DAMMIT!'.

if people have these deep urges to question the govt, wicked-awesome, they and everybody should on a regular basis. as i mentioned earlier though, if you're going to spend 25 minutes of detailed debunkery on say, the pentagon hit, don't follow it up with a completely ridiculous and unverifiable 10second soundbyte accusation it was actually a patriot missile. it just undermines what probably took months in about the 1 second it takes to absorb the accusation.

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Yea.^ They bring up TONS of good points and excellent questions, but then he sometimes throws everyone off with one of his crazy sounding conclusions that he comes to. Then most everybody just shrugs it ALL off. Like most of the world. It doesn't matter if they're making good points, if they say 1 stupid thing everything else is down the tubes..Much like our friend H. Dean was kicking some ass up until his famous,"and california, and then washington d.c. to take back the white house....yyaaaaaaahhh!!" ...-instantly lost all his credibility with that yelp.

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Originally posted by BURLAP@Mar 14 2006, 03:40 AM

alex jones, is that ^you?

 

anyhooey..this stuff gets a little hard to stand behind after you read through 50 different web sourced articles by people that you have really no way of verifying how legitimate they are and such..especially when the claims get demonstrably outrageous. i mean, i learned about northwoods by reading james bamford books, but at least he's got some credentials that mean something. alex jones is a dude who uses kinda shitty tactics in his presenting his theories, which is interesting. like i noticed he likes to use kinda creepy/spooky ambient soundscapes for some of his docs, implying quite effectively some inherently nefarious and deeply disturbing reality that pretty much resembles a fearmongering sort of angle. i remember hearing some radio show and they had some callers phone in and they were defending jones with just hilarious shit...like 'how do you know jones is telling the truth maam?'...'he just is-HE JUST IS DAMMIT!'.

if people have these deep urges to question the govt, wicked-awesome, they and everybody should on a regular basis. as i mentioned earlier though, if you're going to spend 25 minutes of detailed debunkery on say, the pentagon hit, don't follow it up with a completely ridiculous and unverifiable 10second soundbyte accusation it was actually a patriot missile. it just undermines what probably took months in about the 1 second it takes to absorb the accusation.

 

 

it was quite obviously a plane that hit the pentagon.

good for you, you know what northwoods is. do you

not see a connection? a govt willing to sink passenger ships, blow up planes, etc in the 60's is probably more willing to do it in 2001 if it fits in

their plan.

 

alex jones is telling the truth. he does back up what he says. he's obviously not trying to make money by giving people writes to copy and pass out his movies.

 

don't listen to jones if you don't want to. just read the news.

watch it happening.

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Originally posted by El Mikinbin De Miami@Mar 14 2006, 10:39 AM

Yea.^ They bring up TONS of good points and excellent questions, but then he sometimes throws everyone off with one of his crazy sounding conclusions that he comes to. Then most everybody just shrugs it ALL off. Like most of the world. It doesn't matter if they're making good points, if they say 1 stupid thing everything else is down the tubes..Much like our friend H. Dean was kicking some ass up until his famous,"and california, and then washington d.c. to take back the white house....yyaaaaaaahhh!!" ...-instantly lost all his credibility with that yelp.

 

 

that was a rebel yell. no one heard it, though. they just heard dean "being crazy". sad country. should be ashamed of ourselves.

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Originally posted by lord_casek+Mar 14 2006, 12:02 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lord_casek - Mar 14 2006, 12:02 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>it's in the news. those anti-muslim cartoons...psy-ops.

the french riots...psy-ops....

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Ohhh, so those really weren't Muslims rioting and burning embassies and trampling eachother across the globe. Well that is comforting.

 

Originally posted by lord_casek@Mar 14 2006, 12:02 AM

alex jones is telling the truth.

 

<!--QuoteBegin-lord_casek@Mar 14 2006, 12:02 AM

the end result is american gulags for political dissidents.

 

if you don't agree with the govt., you get thrown in a camp.

 

If Alex Jones was somehow privy to all of this secret information, wouldn’t he already be in one of these facilities? And if the government was willing to start locking up political dissidents, wouldn’t common sense say that someone who knows all these secret details of the government’s evilness and so publicly proclaims these secrets from the mountain tops be discretely imprisoned or killed? Hmmm, that’s a real chin scratcher right there.

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Originally posted by Stereotype V.001+Mar 14 2006, 05:02 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stereotype V.001 - Mar 14 2006, 05:02 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by lord_casek@Mar 14 2006, 12:02 AM

it's in the news. those anti-muslim cartoons...psy-ops.

the french riots...psy-ops....

 

Ohhh, so those really weren't Muslims rioting and burning embassies and trampling eachother across the globe. Well that is comforting.

they were muslims, but did you notice how many danish flags they were burning? have you ever walked into a store and seen danish flags?

how do you think all those danish flags just appeared ready for burning and tv cameras?

 

how about the cartoons? all those others, for example mohammed getting fucked in the ass by a dog...that wasn't printed in the paper. it was just lumped in with a pile of other disturbing cartoons and the one that actually made it into the newspaper. why? i'll tell you. to cause civil unrest with the muslims and make the west even more "afraid". fear drives wars.

 

 

Originally posted by lord_casek@Mar 14 2006, 12:02 AM

alex jones is telling the truth.

 

<!--QuoteBegin-lord_casek@Mar 14 2006, 12:02 AM

the end result is american gulags for political dissidents.

 

if you don't agree with the govt., you get thrown in a camp.

 

If Alex Jones was somehow privy to all of this secret information, wouldn’t he already be in one of these facilities? And if the government was willing to start locking up political dissidents, wouldn’t common sense say that someone who knows all these secret details of the government’s evilness and so publicly proclaims these secrets from the mountain tops be discretely imprisoned or killed? Hmmm, that’s a real chin scratcher right there.

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there is no fucking secret. the elite flaunt this shit every single day. have you ever read that autobiography of rockefeller? he openly flaunts what is going to be done with america by way of one world govt.

several of these fuckheads do it in their autobiogrpahies. read more. talk out of your ass less.

 

 

as for alex jones: most people just laugh at him like he's crazy. it's more sane in this country to go to a football game with your face all painted up, waving a big giant foam finger and getting drunk off your ass than it is to read the news. alex jones backs up every claim he makes with real facts straight from the news and from govt. documents.

can you say that about yourself?

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angelofdeath: i double check everything he talks about, as well.

not because i disbelieve him, but because i care. ya know?

 

as for his hardcore christian views: no, i don't agree with alot of that stuff.

i'm not a christian. i do however agree with him that this country was founded on us having liberties (god given so to speak) and that our constitution outlines and does not give us these liberties. we were born with these freedoms.

 

the constitution party: hmm....i'm liberatarian. i do back our constitution and what our country was founded on. i think that's probably the best way to put it.

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here's something i think highly of.

 

eisenhowers final speech (of his presidency).

i almost picked up this autobiography today. huge book. simply amazing.

 

 

Public Papers of the Presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1960, p. 1035- 1040

 

My fellow Americans:

 

Three days from now, after half a century in the service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor.

 

This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen.

 

Like every other citizen, I wish the new President, and all who will labor with him, Godspeed. I pray that the coming years will be blessed with peace and prosperity for all.

 

Our people expect their President and the Congress to find essential agreement on issues of great moment, the wise resolution of which will better shape the future of the Nation.

 

My own relations with the Congress, which began on a remote and tenuous basis when, long ago, a member of the Senate appointed me to West Point, have since ranged to the intimate during the war and immediate post-war period, and, finally, to the mutually interdependent during these past eight years.

 

In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well, to serve the national good rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the Nation should go forward. So, my official relationship with the Congress ends in a feeling, on my part, of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together.

 

II.

 

We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.

 

III.

 

Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. Any failure traceable to arrogance, or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt both at home and abroad.

 

Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology -- global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily the danger is poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle -- with liberty the stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment.

 

Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research -- these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.

 

But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs -- balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage -- balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.

 

The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well, in the face of stress and threat. But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise. I mention two only.

 

IV.

 

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

 

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

 

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

 

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

 

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

 

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

 

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

 

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

 

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

 

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present

 

* and is gravely to be regarded.

 

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

 

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

 

V.

 

Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

 

VI.

 

Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.

 

Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.

 

Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war -- as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years -- I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.

 

Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.

 

VII.

 

So -- in this my last good night to you as your President -- I thank you for the many opportunities you have given me for public service in war and peace. I trust that in that service you find some things worthy; as for the rest of it, I know you will find ways to improve performance in the future.

 

You and I -- my fellow citizens -- need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nation's great goals.

 

To all the peoples of the world, I once more give expression to America's prayerful and continuing aspiration:

 

We pray that peoples of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings; that those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth, and that, in the goodness of time, all peoples will come to live together in a peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love.

 

 

we should all give a good hard look at what he said. he was our last real president warning us of what was to come.

 

_____________________________________________________________

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

 

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

 

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades." thsoe words should echo in your brain.

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well i can only take so much jones before he starts getting a little too kooky. you gotta admit he gets pretty revved up and kooky casek..

anyway, i've said it before, his scene in waking life is one of the best in that whole movie.

his worldview isn't so much an issue for me, it's how he fills in the blanks. and i'm sorry, but he does not have documents to prove all of his claims. besides, since when are news articles official documents....

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Originally posted by BURLAP@Mar 14 2006, 09:00 PM

well i can only take so much jones before he starts getting a little too kooky. you gotta admit he gets pretty revved up and kooky casek..

anyway, i've said it before, his scene in waking life is one of the best in that whole movie.

his worldview isn't so much an issue for me, it's how he fills in the blanks. and i'm sorry, but he does not have documents to prove all of his claims. besides, since when are news articles official documents....

 

 

well, yeah, he does get all revved up, but he is a patriot. he wants our country to be what it was founded to be. what it was. what it has the potential to be.

 

how he fills in the blanks....are you talking about the illuminati type stuff? the masonic stuff? that is all very real. shit, man...half our damn major corporations are using masonic symbolism in their company logos, washington dc is layed out on masonic plans with full masonic symbolism

for everyone to see, so is paris france. how much more do you need?

skull & bones is a chapter of the masonic order. coincidence that our political leaders as well as corporate heads were groomed there? coincidence that alot of them go to bohemian grove with a giant owl named molech where they do mock child sacrifices and have full blown order of the scottish right (masonic) rituals?

 

i know how crazy it sounds. believe me. i'm not an idiot who follows like a lost sheep everything i hear. it still doesn't make sense to me, not all of it, or even half of it. but there is something to it.

 

look, our first president in his full masonic regalia

Statue.jpg

 

creepy, huh? he was a good guy. i have nothing much to say about him

other than that. but you do have to look at this stuff a little more closely than what it appears to be. appearances can be deceiving (yes, i realize that).

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All the "Hijacked planes" flew over the same United States airbase and vanished off of the radars for the exact same time one A lil' later.

 

one thing to say "Operation Northwoods"..

 

I'm associated w/ people in the revelation,Also know "Ex Demons" if you know what I'm talking about.

 

Anyone Want more info on this stuff,Talk w/ me At ILLogicalScripts@Gmail.com

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