who attacked the pentagon?

[lord_casek]

here's a screen grab from the pensacola news journal from sept 17th of '01

http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/pensacola_link.htm

 

U.S. Sen. Bob Graham is requesting information on published reports of a possible Pensacola Naval Air Station tie-in to last week's terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, D.C.

 

As many as four of 19 suspected hijackers may have participated during the 1990s in the base's flight training program for foreign military trainees, according to reports in The Washington Post and Newsweek magazine.

 

In addition, The New York Times reported that one of the four also may have lived at the Fountains apartment complex near the University of West Florida, leaving about a year ago.

 

Graham, D-Miami Lakes, who is chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, was briefed early Sunday on the latest intelligence information, but there was no mention of suspected hijackers having been enrolled as pilot trainees in Pensacola, said his spokesman, Paul Anderson.

 

Since then, Anderson said, Graham has requested more information on the possible Pensacola tie-in as well as updates on suspected hijackers who may have been receiving civilian flying lessons at commercial training academies elsewhere in Florida.

 

Graham and a number of state lawmakers returned to Florida aboard a Florida Air National Guard flight Saturday. He could receive the requested information today, Anderson said.

 

It's not unusual for foreign nationals to train at Pensacola-area bases.

 

Pensacola NAS and Whiting Field train many of the more than 6,000 foreign military students who receive flight training each year at U.S. military institutions.

 

The students are instructed in everything from warfare specialty training to air navigation meteorology and land/water survival, according to the NaPentagon and local military officials refused to comment on the media reports on Sunday. They referred calls on the subject to the FBI, which also refused comment.

 

The news articles caution that there are slight discrepancies between the FBI list of suspected highjackers and the military training records, either in the spellings of their names or in their birth dates. They also raise the possibility that the hijackers stole the identities of military trainees.

 

Tracking names

 

The Newsweek article says U.S. military officials gave the FBI information suggesting that five of the alleged hijackers received training in the 1990s at secure U.S. military installations.

 

It says three of them listed their address on driver licenses and car registrations as 10 Radford Blvd. on Pensacola NAS, a base road on which residences for foreign- military flight trainees are located.

 

Those suspects are:

 

Saeed Alghamdi, believed to have helped hijack United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed in rural Pennsylvania.

 

Ahmad Alnami, who also was aboard Flight 93.

 

Ahmed Alghamdi, who is suspected of helping commandeer United Airlines Flight 75, which hit the south tower of the World Trade Center.

 

Saeed Alghamdi listed the address in March 1997 to register a 1998 Oldsmobile; five months later, he used the same address to register a late-model Buick.

 

The other two used the address on driver licenses issued in 1996 and 1998.

 

The Newsweek article cites two other suspects with possible U.S. military training: One may have been trained in strategy and tactics at the Air War College in Montgomery, Ala., and one may have received language training at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio.

 

A Washington Post article adds a fourth suspect who may have trained in Pensacola:

 

Hamza Alghamdi, who also is believed to have been aboard Flight 75.

 

A New York Times article, using an alternative spelling, says that Ahmed A. al-Ghamdi lived in the Fountains near UWF. The article says he moved out about August 2000 and does not specify how long he may have lived there.

 

The Fountains, off University Parkway, caters to UWF students and also has a number of military personnel, according to several residents. The apartment manager could not be reached on Sunday.

 

The FBI's official list of suspected hijackers gives the most recent addresses of the four with possible Pensacola links as possibly Delray Beach.

 

Complicating the effort to learn if the suspects ever trained in Pensacola is the fact that Alghamdi is an extremely common name. Scores of people with that name live throughout Florida.

 

Foreign trainees

 

Naval Education and Training Security Assistance Field Activity, which administers training of foreign aviation students for the Navy, is headquartered in Pensacola.

 

Robert Pemberton, the technical director, declined to comment Sunday. But the group has estimated that 15 percent of aviation students on any given day are foreign nationals.

 

They come from as far away as Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Norway.

 

Locally, foreign pilots contribute to the Pensacola-area economy, spending an estimated $10 million a year in local malls, restaurants and shops, the Security Assistance group has estimated.

 

A consulting firm that conducted an international business opportunities study for the Pensacola Area Chamber of Commerce four years ago said the local economy would receive a boost by increasing the number of foreign flight and aircraft maintenance students training at area bases.

 

News Journal reporter Amie Streater contributed to this story.

 

should say enough right there.

[shitting]

I think its horrible how easily people buy into this shit. QUOTE]

 

Word. Its very alarming. I feel like a German intellectual in 1938 watching my kids get indoctrined into the hitler youth and brainwashed by a decade of propaganda. Fuck that would have been horrible.

 

Really, I don't know how so many people can be so shortsighted and naive

[Ski Mask]

I think its horrible how easily people buy into this shit. QUOTE]

 

Word. Its very alarming. I feel like a German intellectual in 1938 watching my kids get indoctrined into the hitler youth and brainwashed by a decade of propaganda. Fuck that would have been horrible.

 

Really, I don't know how so many people can be so shortsighted and naive

 

as much as most of these people buying into this are type of people who are trying to rebel against being indoctrinated by the media and the government, they're falling into a trap thats the result of being raised by that same media and government. people are buying into this cause it looks like some shit out of a hollywood movie. swapped planes, controlled demolitions, massive shadowy conspiracies. The brutal truth is that most of the real shady shit going on here is boring, and definately not sexy or exciting. the worst attrocities are being carried out in plain sight and on public record. its just burried in boring political semantics and procedure.

[thinksucks]

So I have no party affiliation..no hidden agenda...I'm just asking..What's up with all the conspiracy theories and the controversy?? Been seeing ALOT of it lately...Like this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...&q=loose+change

THere's alot of crazy shit in there that gets me thinking..

So I went into the Wash DC thread and asked if anybody was on that highway and saw what happened...Thought it would be better here for Chan. Zero. So can anybody talk about this without having a titty fit?

 

 

you may not find someone here, but i can assure you that there would have been bumper to bumper traffic on I-395 at that time of the morning.

[lord_casek]

symbols ex boyfriend or something was on the highway and saw a plane.

i wouldn't dispute that it was or wasn't a plane, i'd just say that there is something fishy going on and people ned to get their heads out of their asses

[!@#$%]

noooo

 

two old friends worked in d.c. at the time

they said they knew several people who saw the plane (it was a married couple)

 

 

and my ex bf's neighbor died on that plane.

[lord_casek]

noooo

 

two old friends worked in d.c. at the time

they said they knew several people who saw the plane (it was a married couple)

 

 

and my ex bf's neighbor died on that plane.

 

oh yeah. i knew in had seen you say something about it.

[lord_casek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtOFudmHG8&search=alex%20jones

[WORDISM45]

I think its horrible how easily people buy into this shit. QUOTE]

 

Word. Its very alarming. I feel like a German intellectual in 1938 watching my kids get indoctrined into the hitler youth and brainwashed by a decade of propaganda. Fuck that would have been horrible.

 

Really, I don't know how so many people can be so shortsighted and naive

haha not to blow your own trumpet or anything, poor analogy as well.

[lord_casek]

AA manager destroyed 9/11 tapes

by Matthew L. Wald,

The New York Times

 

May 6, 2004

 

WASHINGTON, May 6 -- At least six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, 2001, made a tape recording that same day describing the events, but the tape was destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it, the Transportation Department said in a report today.

 

The taping began before noon on Sept. 11 at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center, in Ronkonkoma, on Long Island, where about 16 people met in a basement conference room known as "the Bat Cave" and passed around a microphone, each recalling his or her version of the events a few hours earlier.

 

But officials at the center never told higher-ups of the tape's existence, and it was later destroyed by an F.A.A. official described in the report as a quality-assurance manager there. That manager crushed the cassette in his hand, shredded the tape and dropped the pieces into different trash cans around the building, according to a report made public today by the inspector general of the Transportation Department

 

The tape had been made under an agreement with the union that it would be destroyed after it was superseded by written statements from the controllers, according to the inspector general's report. But the quality-assurance manager asserted that making the tape had itself been a violation of accident procedures at the Federal Aviation Administration, the report said.

 

The inspector general, Kenneth M. Mead, said that the officials' keeping the existence of the tape a secret and the decision by one to destroy it had not served "the interests of the F.A.A., the department or the public" and could foster suspicions among the public.

 

Mr. Mead had been asked by Senator John McCain, the Arizona Republican who is chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, to look into how well the aviation agency had cooperated with what is widely known as the 9/11 commission, a bipartisan, independent panel investigating the terror attacks.

 

On the tape, the controllers, some of whom had spoken by radio to people on the planes and some who had tracked the aircraft on radar, gave statements of 5 to 10 minutes each, according to the report.

 

The tape's value was not clear, Mr. Mead said, because no one was sure what was on it, although the written statements given later by five of the controllers were broadly consistent with "sketchy" notes taken at the time by people in the Bat Cave. (The sixth controller who spoke on the tape did not give a written statement, apparently because that controller had not spoken to either of the planes or observed it on radar.)

 

One of the central questions about the events of that morning is how the F.A.A. responded to emerging clues that four planes had been hijacked. A tape made within hours of the events, as well as written statements given later, could help establish that.

 

A spokesman for the 9/11 commission, Al Felzenberg, said that Mr. Mead's report was "meticulous" and "came through the efforts of a very conscientious senator." He said the commission would not comment now on the content of the report but that it "does speak to some of the issues we're interested in."

 

The tape was made because the manager of the center believed that the standard post-crash procedure would be too slow for an event of the magnitude of 9/11. After an accident or other significant incident, according to officials of the union and the F.A.A., the controllers involved are relieved of duty and often go home; eventually they review the radar tapes and voice transmissions and give a written statement of what they had seen, heard and done.

 

People in the Ronkonkoma center at midday on Sept. 11 concluded that that procedure would take many hours, and that the controllers' shift was ending and after a traumatic morning, they wanted to go home.

 

The center manager's idea was to have the tape available overnight, in case the F.B.I. wanted something before the controllers returned to work the next day, according to people involved.

 

"It was never meant as a permanent record," said Mark DiPalmo, the president of the local chapter of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, who made the deal with the center manager.

 

He said the session was informal, and that sometimes more than one person at a time was speaking. "We sat everyone in a room, went around the room, said, `What do you remember?" Mr. DiPalmo said in an interview.

 

Mr. Mead's report said that it was conceivable that without that deal, the tape would not have been made at all.

 

The quality-assurance manager told investigators that he had destroyed the tape because he thought making it was contrary to F.A.A. policy, which calls for written statements, and because he felt that the controllers "were not in the correct frame of mind to have properly consented to the taping" because of the stress of the day, Mr. Mead reported.

 

Neither the center manager nor the quality-assurance manager disclosed the tape's existence to their superiors at the F.A.A. region that covers New York, nor to the agency's Washington headquarters, according to the report, which identified none of the officials or controllers by name.

 

Other tapes were preserved, including conversations on the radio frequencies used by the planes that day, and the radar tapes. In addition, the controllers later made written statements to the F.A.A., per standard procedure, and in this case, to the F.B.I. as well.

 

The quality-assurance manager destroyed the tape between December 2001 and February, 2002. By that time, he and the center manager had received an e-mail message sent by the F.A.A. instructing officials to safeguard all records and adding, "If a question arises whether or not you should retain data, RETAIN IT."

 

The inspector general attributed the tape's destruction to "poor judgment."

 

"The destruction of evidence in the government's possession, in this case an audiotape particularly during times of a national crisis, has the effect of fostering an appearance that information is being withheld from the public," the inspector general's report said. "We do not ascribe motivations to the managers in this case of attempting to cover up, and we have no indication that there was anything on the tape that would lead anyone to conclude that they had something to hide or that the controllers did not carry out their duties."

 

The inspector general also noted that the official who destroyed the tape had no regrets or second thoughts: "The quality-assurance manager told us that if presented with similar circumstances, he would again take the same course of action."

 

Mr. Mead wrote that this attitude was "especially troubling" and that supervisors should take "appropriate administrative action."

 

Although the matter had been referred to the Justice Department, the Mead report added, prosecutors said they had found no basis for criminal charges.

 

An F.A.A. spokesman, Greg Martin, said that his agency had cooperated with the 9/11 commission and that that was how the tape's existence had become known at the agency's headquarters.

 

"We believe it would not have added in any way to the information contained in all of the other materials that have already been provided to the investigators and the members of the 9/11 commission," he said.

 

Nonetheless, Mr. Martin said that "we have taken appropriate disciplinary action" against the quality-assurance manager. For privacy reasons, he said, he could not say what those actions were or identify any of the employees involved.

 

 

Published by

The New York Times

[shitting]

SO WHAT ?

[lord_casek]

SO WHAT ?

 

you apparently don't love your country

enough to care that there is a cover up.

[lord_casek]

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

[religion]

I think its obviosly the work of the "behind the scenes government" in the states. People get pissed at Bush, but really I think hes just a puppet or corporate interests. My vote: The American Corporation did it. I've done my research.

[lord_casek]

I think its obviosly the work of the "behind the scenes government" in the states. People get pissed at Bush' date=' but really I think hes just a puppet or corporate interests. My vote: The American Corporation did it. I've done my research.[/quote']

 

not necessarily one corporation, and not necessarily just american.

sure, our economy needed a boost. war does that.

why the boost? build profits for corporations like halliburton, kbr, etc.

what's in it for us? besides oil a nice place in the middle east to build bases.

one fo the largest is going up now. absolutely huge. dwarfs saddams most extravagent palaces. what do we need bases for? invading more countries. one world govt is on its way in.