2020 U.S. Election

[Kults]

Quit to become biased talking heads on CNN. Then whined when they got their security clearances revoked.

 

Personally think they are both transparent clowns but you obviously hold them in higher regard

[Hua Guofang]

Clapper didn't have his removed.

 

Regardless of your opinion of them, their complaints have now been backed up by a lot of Trump's own picks for Home Security, Sec Defence, Chief of Staff, Office of Dir. National Intelligence, National Security Advisor, etc. etc. Then there is the Secretary of Navy, Head of SEALs/Naval spec ops, etc.

 

 

[Kults]

23 minutes ago, Hua Guofang said:

Clapper didn't have his removed.

 

Regardless of your opinion of them, their complaints have now been backed up by a lot of Trump's own picks for Home Security, Sec Defence, Chief of Staff, Office of Dir. National Intelligence, National Security Advisor, etc. etc. Then there is the Secretary of Navy, Head of SEALs/Naval spec ops, etc.

 

 

Ah bummer, I thought he had. 

[Hua Guofang]

There are some pretty deluded people out there.

 

Some one should start making signs saying that the tooth fairy is a conspiracy by the radical left to try and take the credit away from Trump for leaving money under the pillows of children.

 

 

 

In saying that, though, I think trolling is the currency of much of Trump's support base and stuff like this is done to anger the opposition.

 

I can dig the troll, however I think it worsens the already drastic polarisation in American society these days.

 

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Edited February 17, 2020 by Hua Guofang

[Kults]

Yaa that's a little much. I like what he's done for the most part in terms of policy but I wouldn't idolize him

[Dirty_habiT]

Here's the thing though, God doesn't "bow down" to anyone, so whoever made the sign and whoever is flying that sign in their yard is obviously retarded.

[misteraven]

I suspect a lot of that is either false narratives someone mocks up or outright trolling. Then again in a country of 320 million, there's bound to be a fair share of morons.

 

Either we stop putting them on blast and pointing them as representative of any significant portion of the population or go back to exploring the concept of eugenics.

 

Regardless, not worth the time it took me to type this opinion.

[Fist 666]

@Dirty_habiTlook for that on snopes, it fully is a troll. He just puts out ridiculous shit and calls it satire. 

[Dirty_habiT]

Well then they may all go to hell and I will go to Texas.

[misteraven]

I'm amazed to see how people seem to rally behind Bernie's criticism of billionaires and how his campaign won't accept donations from any. Massively disingenuous considering there's so few of them out there, so he's essentially not giving anything up, most especially when you look at the demographic that makes up his support. Would love to see him tweak that to be against millionaires as well... A much harder proposition, considering he's a millionaire politician and like the rest of them, owns several houses and takes private jets everywhere.

 

Granted I have zero issue with millionaires in general, but a dude that has never had a private sector job ever, self proclaimed socialist and regular critic of capitalism that happens to be a millionaire... Laughable if it wasn't so ironically sad. Guess I shouldn't be surprised that people continue to flock onto ridiculous bandwagons like this en masse, but yeah... Still pretty fucking incredible IMO.

[Kults]

1 hour ago, misteraven said:

Would love to see him tweak that to be against millionaires as well... A much harder proposition, considering he's a millionaire politician and like the rest of them, owns several houses and takes private jets everywhere.

He did originally until too many ppl started calling him out on it. Then he dropped the millionaires and just went full retard

[Kults]

 

[Kults]

before anyone cries out mUh FoX neWs bIaS

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/13/bernie-sanders-says-millionaires-less-in-2020-democratic-primary.html

 

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A change in messaging
The Democratic debates show how his messaging on millionaires has changed. While the Sanders campaign has thrived in grassroots organizing, the events offer candidates some of their best chances to reach a national audience.

In at least two of the debates against Hillary Clinton during the 2016 primary, Sanders targeted “millionaires and billionaires,” according to transcripts.

“Millionaires and billionaires are pouring unbelievable sums of money into the political process in order to fund super PACs and to elect candidates who represent their interests, not the interests of working people,” he said in an October 2015 debate, according to The New York Times.

Sanders has targeted billionaires as often as ever in the eight 2020 Democratic debates that began in June. But he has not said “millionaires” during the events, according to transcript searches.

 

 

[Dirty_habiT]

@Kults- it's almost like Fox news knows what they're talking about and it's only accepted by the left if one of the other stations is willing to admit the truth publicly.  If they choose to "not cover it" or "skew it" in any way, then all of the sudden fox news is for retards.

 

Makes perfect sense.  Seems legit.  Checks out.

[abrasivesaint]

You’re bathing in the same shit you’re hurling if you don't think Fox is just a MSM outlet with their own biases. 

[Dirty_habiT]

I'm not willing to demonize all media like many other people are.  I am willing, however, to say that there are several media channels that are based heavily upon skewing peoples' political opinions and gaining mob like followers.

 

When you say "all MSM is bad" it's like you're conceding that you were wrong for ever believing any of it.... and that's not what I'm doing. 

 

I'm saying that CNN is wrong. 

I'm saying that Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, and "friends" are dipshit fake fucks. 

I'm saying that night time "comedy" shows are full of left leaning political bullshit. 

 

Try as you might, you cannot put the shows on Fox on that same level of thinking.  I haven't seen them "skew" anything and if you have evidence of such please feel free to share it.  @abrasivesaint@Hua Guofang- but if you do so, make sure that it's not just shit flinging by the fake fucks first or it will fall on deaf ears.  Otherwise, if you have no real evidence of it, just save your "it's all bad comments" for yourself or for when you're describing the "entertainment/emotional news orgs".

[misteraven]

MSM is mostly owned by the same group. Personally, there's so many bad apples in. that bunch, its hardly even worth trying to trust any of them. To each their own, but I really can't see how anyone can trust any MSM at this point. Whether its a lie by omission or a carefully framed question or topic, its virtually impossible for it to not include bias. Just the fact that they're choosing to call attention to specific topics over others makes it biased from jump street.

[Dirty_habiT]

I don't know what "by omission lies" Fox has made though.  I tend to watch many different news sources just to see what everyone's saying and if we want to talk about lies by omission, it seems very common place in the way the other channels tend to chop up interviews and skew news/not report on news.  I haven't been able to catch the programs I watch on Fox (via Youtube) doing that.  Maybe there are other people with shows on Fox doing that?  But, again, I would like to be proven as such.  If you have two identical subjects reported differently by two different sides of "the MSM" that would do it for me, but I have yet to see that comparison made in a way that makes Fox look like the ones leaving out details or skewing things.  That's why I invited Hua and Abrasive to do so.  My guess, however, is that nothing of substance will be produced.  Maybe I'm being pessimistic by looking at it like that but I'd just be surprised if they impress me with anything on that front.

[Dirty_habiT]

Frequently in interviews with the President you see him calling out certain reporters from certain networks as fake news.  Yet, you never see those clips making it onto those news networks, they get "mysteriously omitted".  You do, however, see these clips make it on to Fox News, and the opposite is not true.  You do not see clips on CNN or others where the President is calling out Fox News reporters for being bad at reporting.  Seems like there's something to that.  I've been paying attention to all of it very closely.

[Hua Guofang]

One's deepest possible bias is to believe in your own objectivity.

[misteraven]

There used to be an app I used called News360 that would prioritize news based om trends and then present the version that had the most momentum behind it according to their algorithm. Cool thing was that it had a link that allows you to see a list of every news outlet running that story (or similar) so you could attempt to cross reference it yourself. Mostly it just got convoluted and impossible to follow like a he said, she said type debate. Also, you quickly see that it as much about bashing the other sides version is it is about discussing the actual topic.

 

If you really want to get to the heart of shit, then watch C-Span and get the actual dialogue straight from the horses mouth. You can also look up the cited legislation and try and wrap your head around the hundreds of pages of bullshit that gets stuffed into those documents (if not thousands).

 

Since then. I've come to really embraced Jack Spirko's philosophy of trying to live my live mostly within my sphere of control. Perhaps as I dial my shit in tighter, I'll invest a little more effort into the next sphere out, which is an individuals sphere of influence. Where I wont waste energy on is the area most people seem to spend their time and energy, which is their sphere of concern, which for the most parts is territory that lies well outside their sphere of influence, let alone control.

 

Here's the podcast if you care to listen: https://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/that-which-you-can-change

 

 

[misteraven]

9 minutes ago, Hua Guofang said:

One's deepest possible bias is to believe in your own objectivity.

That too.

[Hua Guofang]

14 minutes ago, misteraven said:

There used to be an app I used called News360 ..,,,,

 

 

Onboard with most of that. Pretty sensible approach IMO. 

[Dirty_habiT]

1 hour ago, Hua Guofang said:

One's deepest possible bias is to believe in your own objectivity.

Are you suggesting it's not possible to think about anything pragmatically with your quip?

[misteraven]

9 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

Are you suggesting it's not possible to think about anything pragmatically with your quip?

There's a lot of truth to his statement. Its nearly impossible to be entirely unbiased since point of view is entirely based off perspective, which derives from a lifetime worth of series of very specific of human experiences and interactions. Obviously we can apply logic to topics, but often times it still comes down to rhetoric. 

[Dirty_habiT]

Eh, I'm just not so ready to swallow the surrender to naivety in bias.  If I'm biased, and I understand what you're biased about, and what he's biased about, and what they're biased about then how is it not possible to make a determination based upon multiple inputs, including your own?  I don't think anything is true just because someone said it is true.  I don't know everything but I believe something is true if the person telling me is someone that has shown that they can be trusted to say true things combined with my thinking leading me to believe that what they've said is true.  I've heard people I trusted to say true things say untrue things plenty of times.  I'm not saying or suggesting that I know anywhere close to everything.

 

I am still waiting for any proof that Fox shows bad info to the world that isn't true, or lies by omission.  I'll wait for as long as it takes and have no problem doing so because I'm pretty sure it's not going to happen.  I'm not suggesting they've never gotten anything wrong but in terms of accuracy and not omitting key pieces of interviews, I'd say they do a great job.  I don't think, also, that anyone that doesn't watch their programs regularly has any skin in the game to talk about what they do or don't do well.  Don't watch Fox if you want but I think it's like an ostrich sticking their head in the sand.

 

The stations that "aren't MSM" are just parroting the same stories that the leftist news orgs are publishing..... so using them for "facts" and then saying MSM is "bad" is disingenuous IMO.

 

If you believe the deepest bias is believing your objectivity then you could use that to dissuade people from believing anything that anyone said that you don't agree with.  It's one of those "do nothing" comments that offers no merit.  I'm not saying that to offer up a shit flinging fest, I'm just saying I don't agree with that, maybe my bias is blinding me.  Sure would be an easy explanation as to why "I'm wrong".

[abrasivesaint]

I don’t think anyone said they outright lie, but they’re no different than CNN, it’s just a different flavor. I’ve watched some of those videos you post in your woke thread, they cherry pick just like anyone else. 
 

He calls out “fake news” because those outlets don't stroke his ego. They print bad words about him and the dude has a hard time handling people being mean to him but has no issues dishing it out. 
 

Fox news boosts his bullshit, and attempts to cover his ass when he accidentally speaks openly about wanting to commit war crimes, like here.. 

 

 

 

[abrasivesaint]

I find it amazing how hard and open the DNC is about rallying against Sanders this time around.
 

Makes me assume they are very worried he’s going to take it. Also shows how little they truly give a fuck about what people want vs their own interests. Politics is as politics does. 

[misteraven]

What I find more ironic and amazing is how many articles I saw in the last few years talking about the implosion of the RNC. Seems to me that the DNS is unlikely to come out the other end of this intact. Both sides are an utter shit show, but the DNC truly looks to be barely holding itself together.

[Dirty_habiT]

On 2/26/2020 at 5:05 PM, abrasivesaint said:

I don’t think anyone said they outright lie, but they’re no different than CNN....

This is where I don't agree at all.  CNN is so chock full of bullshit it's not even funny.  Sensationalist opinion writers that are full of emotional blurbs and biased attacks on anyone that doesn't buy into what they're peddling.  Point out anything that FOX has done that is on the same level of "chock full of bullshit" and I'll listen and observe..... but, again, I don't think you or anyone else here will be able to do it.

 

I don't see anything wrong with protecting the oil in the middle east.  It's the oil that we have paid for for a very long time.  The "bad guys" that own it don't care who buys it, they just want money to fund their terrorist plans.