The Political Memes Thread (memes too spicy for Channel Zero)

[Mercer]

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[Dark_Knight]

^yes it is tho

[Mercer]

^^^Personally, I'd take fresh morel mushrooms over a hipster feeding/watering hole any day.

 

 

Wonder if college students living off their parents, or government backed loans can relate?

[ndv]

[abrasivesaint]

On 9/1/2021 at 1:26 PM, Dark_Knight said:

More socialism, no?

Looks to be more on par with some sort of “Anarcho - “

 

(Collectivism, Communalism) 

[Mercer]

I can't believe you guys don't know the difference between Socialism, Communism, and Capitalism.

 

Capitalism = property rights belong to individuals

Socialism = property rights are democratized/decided communally

Communism = WTF is a property right comrade? 

[misteraven]

30 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I can't believe you guys don't know the difference between Socialism, Communism, and Capitalism.

 

Capitalism = property rights belong to individuals

Socialism = property rights are democratized/decided communally

Communism = WTF is a property right comrade? 

Been kind of thinking it deserves it’s own topic. Surprisingly, a good many people can hardly explain how our own government works and most taking points on these types of subjects are just shit parroted back from what’s posted on social media. Economic theory and practice is even worse. 

[psalm91]

^^ why differentiate the layers of your shit sandwich Gabriel Gipe?

 

would love to see "the community" come try to determine my property rights via "democratization". 
 

Like some community will just appear with some one track minded idea about how everyone else should live and behave. 
 

All you Che slobbers subscribe to behavior control.  Now anyone that believes in dipshittery go get in line for your fourth jab because if you're still posting here the first three didn't work yet. 

[psalm91]

Comrade. @Dark_Knight

[Dark_Knight]

5 minutes ago, psalm91 said:

Comrade. @Dark_Knight

Is the this your monthly government issued internet timeframe in Russia? 

[Mercer]

13 minutes ago, psalm91 said:

come try to determine my property rights via "democratization".

 

 

About 1/3 to 1/2 of your earnings already are.

[psalm91]

They don't know I bash the fash. 
 

Yes we do you tattoooed it on yourself. 
 

Literally everyone knows. 

[Dark_Knight]

2 hours ago, Mercer said:

I can't believe you guys don't know the difference between Socialism, Communism, and Capitalism.

 

Capitalism = property rights belong to individuals

Socialism = property rights are democratized/decided communally

Communism = WTF is a property right comrade? 

in that meme aren’t they suggesting that the property rights are communally decided? By suggesting a barter system. 

[Mercer]

1 hour ago, Dark_Knight said:

in that meme aren’t they suggesting that the property rights are communally decided? By suggesting a barter system. 

 

 

I've already covered this but I'll try to break it down again.

 

1. There's no mention of taking a vote as a community, to decide as a group how to distribute the crops (socialism)
2. There's no mention of all crops "belonging" to a central authority by default, and distributed in a centrally planned system (communism)
3. What is mentioned is trade, and trade (voluntary exchange between individual owners) basically defines capitalism.

 

 

If the goods are traded for other goods (for example other produce), or if they're traded for a single good (money) it makes no difference. The individual decides how much money, or for what goods they're willing to trade each good they've produced. Like I choose between the best rates that I can exchange my labor for, then own the money, then I decide where I spend that money. It's a system individual ownership.

 

Under free market capitalism property rights are absolute, and belong to the individual owners. You decide how much, and for what you'll exchange your labor for, your money for.

 

Socialist, and communists systems generally lean towards community garden flyers, as it's difficult to enforce a fair distribution plan between individual property owners.  In communal systems, the garden itself is shared, and what's produce never belongs to any one individual sharing that garden specifically. Since there's no ownership of individual goods, in this case crops, the goods aren't "traded" amongst participants.

Edited September 6, 2021 by Mercer

[Mercer]

If you support a certain system, like Democratic Socialism, Communism, Capitalism or whatever it wouldn't hurt to read up about it. Do a little bit of research to understand the core principals defining each system. An understanding of the core fundamentals of your chosen philosophy provides clarity, and a consistent framework for a lens to dissect individual examples (like voluntarily trading crops amongst yourselves). Believe it or not, none of these systems discussed require a State, there's several frameworks for stateless systems of interaction. Some of these schools of thought rally behind different colored flags, to signify schools of thought. Antifa flies the red and black flag (Ancom) Anarcho-communism. Not involving a formal state in your affairs  is how the majority of humanity lived in antiquity (Anprim), up until recently when larger kingdoms/empires were organized.

 

Anarcho-

communism

capitalism

syndicalism

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Agorism is gray and black. You'll almost never see an Agorist flying this publicly, or identifying as one publicly. The Black in our flag represent black markets (illegal trade of things like drugs, sex work, etc.) The gray represents gray markets (tax free unofficially sanctioned trade) much like the one described under that flyer where a community grows crops, and exchanges them freely amongst themselves.

 

Instead of smashing starbuck's windows, Agorists are the type of Anarchists that invent stuff like cryptocurrencies, darkweb sites for drugs, and help facilitate free markets outside of what's allowed/controlled /or facilitated by governments. Our weapons are purely financial in nature, and our "communities" are 100% voluntary,  and often times anonymous much like 12oz. Our tactics include the same counter-economic measures that brought down the U.S.S.R., England's occupation of India, and bring illegal goods including food, and medicine into places like North Korea via the lucrative setting of black markets. These markets are historically naturally occurring, but black, and gray markets can be used intentionally, to neutralize politics, and state interventions on the individuals right to live life how they see fit as long as they don't harm others.

 

It's laughable how some of these schools of though under Anarchy consider themselves the only "true" school of thought in Anarchy. Sounds more like an absolute, unquestionable belief in a religion, than the logical framework of philosophy to me. 

[mr.yuck]

@Mercercool. I didn’t know all this. I assumed Agorism along with a few other things like “l”ibertarians, voluntaryists, brand anarchism flew under the same gold and black flag.

[Mercer]

11 minutes ago, mr.yuck said:

@Mercercool. I didn’t know all this. I assumed Agorism along with a few other things like “l”ibertarians, voluntaryists, brand anarchism flew under the same gold and black flag.

 

We all do essentially fall under The Anarcho Capitalist flag, and subscribe to voluntarism, voluntary methods of organization. Big difference between Ancap, and Agorist is our tactics.

 

Ancaps that are not Agorists tend to view government as a violation of NAP, thus excusing preemptive, and retaliatory uses of force in "self defense". It's important to note, Ancaps rarely, if ever, take any action at all and are known as lolberts inside of the liberty community. Some Ancaps do harbor hopes for a civil war, and may train and prepare for it, but as far as taking any action goes shooting at cans in the woods is about as far as they ever take things.

 

Agorists employ non-violent methods of action. Like me for example, I try to either acquire most of my food outside of the system. Technically not passive, as we still fully support violence for the defense of person, or property, and in the enforcement of justice for proven violations of person or property. That said, we employ counter economics as action, and don't take up arms for warfare. We think any armed "boogalloo" would just lead to another oppressive state.

 

Much like most Ancaps, most Agorists also don't take any action for the most part, and only hold the beliefs. Some Agorists do actively take action like tax evasion, and participating in organized crime, but growing your own food and trading for food on the gray market is about as far as it goes most of the time. Ross Ulbricht is a good example of a self proclaimed Agorist taking major action, just because he's one of the few that were actually caught. Ross Ulbricht is the guy who invented the "Silk Road", the first dark-web site to facilitate drug trade. 

 

 

[Dark_Knight]

this is the only flag that flies at my house

[Mercer]

Mine is a pizza slice on a black slayer shirt.

[mr.yuck]

I shied away from telling people I was anarcho-capitalist simply for the stigma that was attached to it and traded in for the term voluntaryist. I understood agorism on its face but never really read into it much. Do you have any suggested reading for agorism? From the way you describe it, it seems to be pretty in line with how I’ve lived a good chunk of my life lol.

[ndv]

Marxism only works if you're stupid.

[misteraven]

@Mercermind explaining anarcho-communism for those of us too lazy to research? Honestly can’t see how you can take two diametrically opposed ideologies and somehow combine them. Makes no sense how the absence of central government works with a totalitarian system of government as one thing. 

[Mercer]

2 hours ago, mr.yuck said:

I shied away from telling people I was anarcho-capitalist simply for the stigma that was attached to it and traded in for the term voluntaryist. I understood agorism on its face but never really read into it much. Do you have any suggested reading for agorism? From the way you describe it, it seems to be pretty in line with how I’ve lived a good chunk of my life lol.

 

 

Agorism is funny like that, most people that get turned onto it realize it's basically how they've chosen to live their life, regardless of being intentional or even understanding how they're helping. I'm the same way, grew up selling drugs. By default had the hookup wherever I lived, which I guess goes hand in hand with a verifiable snitch free graffiti career.  Most of the homies always had it as a fall back as well.

 

Speaking of unintentional Agorism,@misteravenintroduced me to an Agorism podcast that out of 5 or 6 regulars, nobody understood Agorism except for one person. None of them had read any of the literature on the subject at all and each had their own way of defining it. They were just a bunch of people trying to create communities to operate without any government reliance, mostly off grid, and outside of the system. So they all grew, and traded for their food, lived as off grid as possible etc. At first I was unimpressed, here I am studying Rothbard, Mises, SEK3, reading all the literature, I didn't think they could teach me anything. Thing is, it was entertaining enough for me to listen long enough to realize, these people were actually doing it, living it, while I was just reading about. Realized I was the lolbert, living in ancapistan in my head, and them, as poory read as they were on the subject were "real" Agorists, living in, and embracing Anarchy as a way of life.

 

Agorism is fucking weird like that. Worst thing is, if we should succeed in overthrowing the state, there'd be no more Agorists. Without a state to make things illegal, like drugs, prostitution, etc. and without taxes, or the state interfering in a free market, there would be no opportunity to operate on a black or gray market, because those things wouldn't exist without an oppressive state.

 

Reading list:

 

First, the framework of logic that Voluntaryism, Anarcho-Capitalism, and  Agorism was first constructed by the Austrian school of Economics. It started with the Austrian schools founder (1st generation) Carl Menger, then his students which included Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk in the (2nd generation), and Finally Ludwig Von Mises (3rd Gen), ending with Mises's student Murray N Rothbard (4th gen).

 

 

Human Action (Ludwig Von Mises's Magnum Opus)

 

 

 

 

Man Economy and State (Murray N Rothbard's Magnum Opus)

 

90% of the literature covering Agorism is outlined in these two books. Mises, was the first to use the science of Praxiology, to work towards a unified economic theory. Rothbard furthered Mises's work writing Man, Economy, and State. In it, the last few chapters outline how government, and the idea of the state is counterproductive to society. Those chapters were originally censored by the publisher, and published in a seperate book called power and market, anarcho capitalism's manifesto, or bible so to speak. the Mises institute later released the book as intended. Both these books are extreemly difficult academic works, which took me reading the books, and listening to the audiobook version a few times to fully grasp.

 

Sidenonte:

 

Rothbard sort of ended the direct lineage of advancements from teacher, to students from the founder. His work, especially his early work is highly regarded by most, but later in life when he was older, he turned right wing, and against some of the core values of anarcho-capitalism. His protege "Hans Herman Hoppe" did gain a following known as Hoppeans, but they're basically a group of ancaps that believe in borders somehow, super oxymoronic, and a pretty transperent attempt at attracting "Alt-Right" types into anarcho-capitalism, which wasn't recieved well by most anarcho capitalists. Not being one to idolize false prophets myself, not a big deal to me. I can separate the work, which is solid logic, from the mistakes I think Rothbard made later in life with Hoppe. This is what drove the nail in the coffin for libertarianism in the main stream IMO. People began assuming libertarians were closet racist based on the association, and that we were advocating for policies designed to favor one race, over another, or favoring the rich, over the poor. 

 

The good news is Agorism picks up where Rothbard's work ended. Agorism was founded by Samuel Edword Konkin III (SEK3) in the 70's.

 

 

A quick read, basic outline of how, and why black markets are so important to humanity. Basically throws a nod to Rothbard's theories, and outlines how to implement them to change society.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, if you're into fiction Alongside Night is pretty dope. It's a fictional story of how Agorism was used to defeat the United States Government, prepared as a sort of prophetic roadmap for future Agorists. Ross Ulbricht stated it's what inspired him to design, and build the silk road. 

 

 

 

 

[Mercer]

2 hours ago, misteraven said:

@Mercermind explaining anarcho-communism for those of us too lazy to research? Honestly can’t see how you can take two diametrically opposed ideologies and somehow combine them. Makes no sense how the absence of central government works with a totalitarian system of government as one thing. 

 

 

It's simple. Anarcho-Communism is basically anarchy, without property rights for individuals. Meaning mobs of people (in one way or another based on schools of thought) would be able to freely confiscate property. For example anarcho-syndicalists think trade unions should confiscate the factories, or companies they work for eliminating the original investors claim to the company.

 

Most Anarchists just want to break shit period, and basically reject any system that establishes order, and orginizes people into heirarchies like property rights tend to do. The same way you see communism as requiring a state to implement, they see capitalism as needing a state to impliment. To both sides of communist vs captalist anarchist view the other is an oxymoron. 

 

Early Anarchists were almost all Anarcho communists, or under the red and black flag as a whole, as they rejected the capitalist hierarchies created under the industrial revolution. Most communes still in existence today operate under the system of anarcho-communism, and till this day, they're much more numerous and outspoken.

 

Ancoms differ from state communists (Tankies) in that they don't need an organization controlling a fighting force to first establish a monopoly on violence (the state), then use this force to implement communism in their territorial monopoly by confiscating private property formally, through state decree. 

 

The joke amongst ancaps is that ancoms are basically anprims with more steps. Anprims want humans to return to a technologically free existence, and live in abject poverty, much like primitive tribes of the past to preserve the planet. The most notable Anprim is Ted Kazinsky, the unibomber, who also happened to be a brilliant writer and political theorist if you're ever bored and want to read some interesting stuff you probably don't agree with. He had a brilliant understanding of the political left and exactly where they were going politically, wich is spot on where they did end up. Anyway, Ancoms much like other communists remove the incentives for individuals to be productive. There's no surprises to anyone economically litteratte, unproductivity on a large scale is what leads to societal impoverishment, which basically ends at the point where those who are still surviving are living as nomadic, illiterate tribespeople, eating only what one can forage or kill, not even growing crops because they'll just be seized, as no-one observes property rights.