The Political Memes Thread (memes too spicy for Channel Zero)

[mr.yuck]

I know ancoms distinguish between private property and personal property. It strikes me as weird though that as soon as you take the wheels of your trailer home and set it on a block foundation, it becomes a problem.

[Mercer]

They claim there's a distinction between private/personal but there isn't. Ancoms regard all the property they'd seize as "private", and the property they would pass on seizing from individuals for the moment as "personal" property. The concept is based in emotion, as opposed to any logic. They have no method for determining what constitutes personal property, or private property outside of the context of what they'd feel OK with seizing when pressed. They'll just give an example like "your toothbrush" as personal property, but what if you lived in a village with only one toothbrush, would it be fair under Socialism/Communism if only one person owned, and decided how that toothbrush is used? What if other's are suffering from gum disease? No, in fact, there's no such thing as personal property, which is why there's no way to logically decide what's either personal, private, or public property because the core idea governing property rights has to be destroyed to either decide who controls property democratically, or centrally.

[abrasivesaint]

On 9/6/2021 at 9:29 AM, Mercer said:

I can't believe you guys don't know the difference between Socialism, Communism, and Capitalism.

 

Capitalism = property rights belong to individuals

Socialism = property rights are democratized/decided communally

Communism = WTF is a property right comrade? 

What? Haha. 

In both Socialism and Communism those farmed goods would go to the centralized authority and distributed “equally”. Communism being a more “extreme” version of Socialism, as some put it. 
 

The writing on that board states everyone would grow their own food and trade with each other on their own accord. Which based on the limited information, sounds like some form of “Anarcho -“ or Communalism to me.
 

 

[abrasivesaint]

“Municipalization, in effect, brings the economy from a private or separate sphere into the public sphere where economic policy is formulated by the entire community — notably, its citizens in face-to-face relationships working to achieve a general “interest” that surmounts separate, vocationally defined specific interests.”

 

Murray Bookchin -  “Municipalization - Community Ownership of the Economy”. 

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/murray-bookchin-municipalization

 

Murray Bookchin - “Libertarian Municipalism” 

 

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/murray-bookchin-libertarian-municipalism-an-overview

 

Murray Bookchin “What is Communalism?” 
 

https://www.democracynature.org/vol3/bookchin_communalism.htm

 

 

[Mercer]

 

45 minutes ago, abrasivesaint said:

What? Haha. 

In both Socialism and Communism those farmed goods would go to the centralized authority and distributed “equally”.

 

Wrong.

 

Under socialism the community votes how to distributes ownership. Communism there is no individual ownership, as the gardens are not owned individually either and everything belongs to the "community" at whole. Neither system allows for individuals to freely trade amongst themselves.

 

45 minutes ago, abrasivesaint said:

Communism being a more “extreme” version of Socialism, as some put it.

 

This is the type of technical breakdown of Socialism, and Communism I'd expect to hear from a hillbilly who understands neither. There are fundamental differences between the two systems.

 

45 minutes ago, abrasivesaint said:

The writing on that board states everyone would grow their own food and trade with each other on their own accord. Which based on the limited information,

 

Yep, because as the meme states, they've "invented" capitalism unwittingly.

 

 

45 minutes ago, abrasivesaint said:

sounds like some form of “Anarcho -“ or Communalism to me

 

That's because you don't understand the basic defenitions of capitalism, or what communal means outside of anti-capitalist slogans.  In a "communal" system, there's no need to "trade" or transact between participants, resources are shared.

 

 

I can't believe I have to explain what socialism, and communism actually is to people who support those systems. I'm all for dumbing down the discussion so it's not super nerdy, but if you can't see the connection between free trade, and freely trading crops, I'm kind of wasting my time explaining.

[Mercer]

[misteraven]

I’m likely going to split these comments off into its own thread. No doubt it’s genesis was in response to a meme nuts it’s become a much deeper discussion that I feel has a lot of value. 
 

That said, let’s try and avoid any offensive remarks… It does suck that we’re all grown up and still trying to wrap our heads around concepts we should have learned in high school, but that speaks more to how shitty government school is as well as all the manipulation taking place in society than anything lacking on the individual level. We’re all here to have fun, as well as learn, so let’s prioritize those two aspects of our own community and provide each other the benefit of the doubt  and respect  in our responses. 
 

In any case, good info. Learning a thing or two myself. 

[Mercer]

My fault for getting condescending. I just wish there was an opposing view that understood the very basics of their opposing view to make the discussion/debate more worth while. All and all I feel like I eat a lot of shit sandwiches in here, and get dog piled so I don't feel too bad about being a little rude when i' have to explain how free trade isn't socialism.

[Dark_Knight]

Tbh I don’t really care enough to differentiate between any of them. That gained knowledge is kind of arbitrary in my eyes. Politics are more fun to debate for entertainment and use as a scapegoat for unresolved emotions. At least for me.

 

 

pslams wants to touch mercers peepee so bad tho. It’s kind of adorable.

[Mercer]

[metronome]

34 minutes ago, Mercer said:

 

Seeing this A LOT in Canada right now.  Hot takes out the whazooo. 

[where]

Censorship lol

[misteraven]

7 hours ago, nicklesndimes said:

Looks like Portland. 

[Mercer]

On 9/6/2021 at 7:53 PM, nicklesndimes said:

 

 

More like Halfghanistan

[Mercer]

 

Apparently buying your food straight from a farmer is Fascist. Next year purchasing food without food stamps will be Nazism.

[Mercer]

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[diggity]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

this is pretty close to my stance on law enforcement. 

It just seems like a really weird thing for people to WANT to do for a living.

 

Edited September 9, 2021 by diggity

[Kults]

[Mercer]

[abrasivesaint]

On 9/7/2021 at 3:32 PM, Mercer said:

Under socialism the community votes how to distributes ownership. Communism there is no individual ownership, as the gardens are not owned individually either and everything belongs to the "community" at whole.

 

Under Socialism people can still own property. As i stated, it is not Socialism, because… 

 

 

On 9/7/2021 at 3:32 PM, Mercer said:

Neither system allows for individuals to freely trade amongst themselves.

 

… neither system allows for individuals to freely trade, the goods are managed by an elected government, aka the central authority that i mentioned. You literally took what i said, reworded it, and passed it off the same statement as me being wrong. 

 

On 9/7/2021 at 3:32 PM, Mercer said:

 

This is the type of technical breakdown of Socialism, and Communism I'd expect to hear from a hillbilly who understands neither. There are fundamental differences between the two systems.

There’s differences between the 2 systems? No shit.. 
 

There was nothing technical about it, it was a pretty broad statement, and not inaccurate. You’re simply just hurling insults here. 

 

 

On 9/7/2021 at 3:32 PM, Mercer said:

That's because you don't understand the basic defenitions of capitalism, or what communal means outside of anti-capitalist slogans.  In a "communal" system, there's no need to "trade" or transact between participants, resources are shared.

First, let’s state that there is no distinction between “we each” in the meme. It does not specify that “we each” means individual. It could, but it does not specify that. We could assume that “we each” means literally “we” a collective of people growing on a farm, aka, the workers. So..

 

 

- If you would like to stick to the individual interpretation, Anarcho-Capitalism, and free markets, fall under exactly what i said, “Anarcho-“

 

- If you would like to interpret the “we each” meaning groups of farm workers, it could fall under Anarcho-Syndicalism, where the workers are in control of their goods. 
 

- In Communalism,  there is a confederation of communes working together. So, if one commune in the confederation has better means to grow X, and another has better means to grow Y, logically you could assume that at some point these communes would trade X and Y, or “share” if you prefer. If they openly share, and they do not trade 1 X for 1 Y, then it is not Capitalism. 
 

 

On 9/7/2021 at 3:32 PM, Mercer said:

 

I can't believe I have to explain what socialism, and communism actually is to people who support those systems. I'm all for dumbing down the discussion so it's not super nerdy, but if you can't see the connection between free trade, and freely trading crops, I'm kind of wasting my time explaining

 

 

I understand the differences. You wrongfully don’t think that i do, much like you wrongfully think that i am a Socialist. If you think i am a Communist you have absolutely lost your mind. I may play devils advocate, and toy with certain tenets in certain conversations, but that doesn’t make me a fucking tankie. I can believe in Socialist tenets and programs, and not believe Socialism is the end all be all. Much like how i can believe Capitalism has its merits, but is not the end all be all, and should not be unchecked. 
 

 

[Dirty_habiT]

54 minutes ago, abrasivesaint said:

 

You literally took what i said, reworded it, and passed it off the same statement as me being wrong. 

 

 
Dhabz has entered the chat.  This was my experience with his posturing. 
 

i think you're wasting your time. 
 

Funny how censorship on this site works too. Some "turds" buried, others polished up and put on display. 
 

"meme thread" my schlong. All you have to do is troll the golden child a bit he will complain to dad and then dad will take his side. 
 

confusion combined with socialist narcing. 

[Dirty_habiT]

And I'm signing back out. Y'all can suck my dick. 

[Mercer]

1 hour ago, abrasivesaint said:

You literally took what i said, reworded it, and passed it off the same statement as me being wrong.

 

 

 

Sorry dude. Sometimes when I'm responding to multiple arguments, I get the arguments each person is presenting mixed up. Originally I was responding to @Dark_Knight's comment. When you entered that conversation, it sounded like you disagreed with my original point about free trade being capitalist. Either I made a false assumption that you were denying that, or you've shifted rears into a separate argument altogether.

 

Granted I'm pretty sure you see at least some value in free trade, and individuals owning property, but don't view property rights as 100% absolute (capitalist), so I just assume you're a Socialist. If you believe everyone deserves equal access to all resources, and don't think people should own any private property, you're a Communist. At least to me.

[Dark_Knight]

Arguing over stuff we have no control over is pretty gay. It’s fun for a little bit but mostly gay.

 

nothing against gays tho

[Mercer]

That's why I'm /prohomo™

 

I actually like these discussions, and the debates political meme's can spark.

 

Especially when a dudes in here suggest we work out our political tensions, in an all male group act  🌈 before we sign back out.

Edited September 10, 2021 by Mercer

[Dark_Knight]

27 minutes ago, Mercer said:

That's why I'm /prohomo™

 

I actually like these discussions, and the debates political meme's can spark.

 

Especially when a dudes in here suggest we work out our political tensions, in an all male group act  🌈 before we sign back out.

 

i want to watch you and @Dirty_habiT kiss 🥴😩🙈🙏🏻

[Mercer]

You know I'd never make a cuck out of you like that.

 

Bro's before hoe's bro.