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advanced silk screening question

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by some pittsburgh flavor, Nov 15, 2003.

  1. some pittsburgh flavor

    some pittsburgh flavor Elite Member

    Joined: Mar 31, 2001 Messages: 4,936 Likes Received: 0
    so i've done ilk screens before. emulsion, squeegee, dry in dark, light table w/design on acetate, etc. Hoever, this method doesn't work with gradations of shading, it is either black or not black. I want to make my girlfriend a shirt with a really big Led Zeppelin 'Houses of the Holy' design that takes up the whole shirt. And, as you all know, it would look like crap if it was done the way i know how.

    the question is: what method do i use and what supplies to i need to be able to screen print them ill fades?

    any help is appreciated
     
  2. Big Bruno

    Big Bruno Senior Member

    Joined: Oct 8, 2001 Messages: 2,472 Likes Received: 70
  3. ToYs

    ToYs Guest

    wow... ironic, i just bought a silk screening kit and was about to start a thread for tips and such. well i guess im going to hi-jack this bitch!

    so explain this "photo imulsion" stuff. how the hell would i go about using this method? i just made a screen using the "screen filler" stuff but i can already see that this is going to be pretty inefficiant.
     
  4. Desensitized

    Desensitized New Jack

    Joined: Nov 10, 2003 Messages: 5 Likes Received: 0
    You're going to have to either make a screen zippatone style with dots that get progressively larger or smaller respectively in opposite directions, or you'll need to layer your pigment or dyes. You could also just mix the dyes right inside the screen on your border and screen it and just hope it works, but that usually screws things up. The way a silkscreen works though, there is no way you can just do one pass and have an even gradation. The closest you'll get to that is zippatone style.. which, if done right, looks good.. try layering maybe, do something up with pigments where you mix like 95% extender with your color, do the whole area, let it dry, mix up some like 85% extender/color, apply that to like 3/4 the area, etc.. although you'd definitely see lines this way..
     
  5. some pittsburgh flavor

    some pittsburgh flavor Elite Member

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  6. Vanity

    Vanity Veteran Member

    Joined: Apr 11, 2000 Messages: 7,673 Likes Received: 6
    i think i remember reading a post by bl4kh4m that guy pretty into the half tones and exactly what you're looking to do...
     
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  7. rental

    rental Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jul 1, 2001 Messages: 7,641 Likes Received: 1
    ive seen half tones work okay with photo emulsion.

    what i have been tryign to find out is what ink to use. i mean, i know youre supposed to use textile ink for shirts, but that shit still doesnt come through as thick as i want it to be on the shirt, or if washes out even if ive cured the ink in heat. im looking for a specific brand or which sort of chemicals i need to look for in the ink.
     
  8. paint junky

    paint junky Member

    Joined: Jun 16, 2003 Messages: 377 Likes Received: 0
    i have made screens in a dark room w/ a light directly over top for a while to burn the image onto the screen, but a friend of mine swears they make a light that is very powerful or something and it flashes and burns it real quick... any truth to this, if so where can i get one?

    also w/ halftones do you just create a half-tone in photoshop and put it on acetate?
     
  9. mr.yuck

    mr.yuck Veteran Member

    Joined: May 12, 2000 Messages: 6,952 Likes Received: 6
    Well there are different percentage films that you can get. They are like the zippatone thing that desensitized was talking about..kinda. If you are doing emulsion you can use the various percentage of tone sheets to make the fade come out right. It just blocks out the light to a certain extent equaly over the film. This would work if you want to do it all by hand.

    Some one clarify if possible. My explanations are never really that great.
     
  10. heavyLox

    heavyLox Veteran Member

    Joined: Feb 2, 2002 Messages: 7,196 Likes Received: 17
    read this:

    to make a fade you do not need a half tone screen.

    1. Decide on the colors you want to use
    2. place the colors, in the ordser you want them to fade along the side of your screen.
    3. Distribute the inks so they meet at the center of your desired fade area.
    4. Start pulling prints. It should take several tests before the ink is distrubuted and mixed to create the fade you want.

    Problems: this method wastes some ink. It is
    however nice at times to have slight variations of
    your prints. To the variations are interesting and
    give a semi one-off feel to a line of otherwise
    standardized runs of prints.


    the halftone issue:

    Have tone screens are great but have their issues
    as well. The first thing is they become hard t deal
    with if you on a limited home set up. They require
    at least a light table or a means of exposeing
    your screen, of course Vacum sealed tables are
    the most desirable.. Most home st ups are not
    this advanced. However if you are using light
    sensitie emulsion they are great.

    What is it?:

    half tone screens are a basically just a series of
    lines of dots going from very small dots to largers
    dots. when printed it gives the visual illusion of a
    fade happeing by way of the dots getting smaller
    and furhter apart, thus making the color appear
    as though its gradually fading out..
    there are however other considerations to be
    made then.

    A. dot paterns many times are printed on top of
    other solid colors. So its important to know if you
    inks are opaque or how they will react to or
    interact with the inks colors below.

    B. Super fine dot paterns can be a rel bitch to
    work with. The smaller of the dots can clog and
    then start to fuck the fade. Exposing them takes
    more care, as well, to make sure you have to
    light leaks that will make the dots look
    non-unioformed.

    You can also make the your own "zippatone" half
    screens very easily In Illustrator or the like. then
    print them on acetate, at home or a kinkos kinda
    spot..



    not trying to be too simple but this is a start. Cheers.

    hev-
     
  11. rental

    rental Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jul 1, 2001 Messages: 7,641 Likes Received: 1

    yes, the higher the watt of the bulb, the quicker it burns the image on. you got to get it special, and its going to be super expensive.
     
  12. malnourished

    malnourished New Jack

    Joined: Oct 26, 2003 Messages: 28 Likes Received: 0
    You can get a bulb that will burn an emulsion screen in 11 minutes, thats about as fast as you can get unless you use special techniques to "flash" the screen, but these are normally only found in shops. The bulb your looking for is a BBA #1 or something to that effect. I dont think this bulb is worth the money, or the time it saves though. I had one before, Its only rated to last for 90 minutes before the filement burns out, and it costs around 8 bucks... www.dickblick.com has them though if you want to check into it.

    I was wondering if anybody had some answers for me about ink. Speedball sucks, it creates cracks, and the colors are kinda spotty. I bought some Uni plastisol, but it wont wash out of a screen cuz its oil based and you gotta dry it in an oven. Is there anybody that knows how to successfully use this ink in a home setup? the results are professional quality and are exactly what im looking for. Or know any other good inks to try that are better than speedball?
     
  13. enigmatic

    enigmatic Senior Member

    Joined: Oct 23, 2006 Messages: 1,915 Likes Received: 26
    I want to silk screen tee shirts.

    For fun.

    Would it be easier to get someone to do this for me.

    How expensive would it be to get started.

    Also where would I find quality blank teeshirts. Like high quality.

    And finally this is a little more specific but I am looking to number the shirts on the tags. so having a hanes logo or some shit is sort of a problem, does anyone have any connex is the shirt manufacturing biz? where would I get shirts where I can print ONTO the tag/ do I get tags made seperately? thanks in advance.
     
  14. Brewster Baker

    Brewster Baker 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Sep 11, 2003 Messages: 13,009 Likes Received: 525
  15. xoXox

    xoXox Member

    Joined: Apr 15, 2006 Messages: 664 Likes Received: 39
    Get a SanMar account, get yourself one of their tagless shirts ( i know anvil and hanes both have some) otherwise your probly thinking about american apparel or whatever. You can get some kit which can be pretty spendy if you want a legitimate setup, like at least $800.00 Check out youtees.com if you want a decent low budget setup, or go through a shop and establish that connection. Good luck-
     
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