Zig Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Egypt Trades Torture Supervisor for 'Mubarak's Poodle'? Outed Hosni Mubarak Appoints Military and Hussein Tantawi to Take Command in Egypt, Rather Than Former Intelligence Chief http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/egypt-trades-torture-supervisor-mubaraks-poodle/story?id=12895439 As thousands in Egypt celebrate the end of Hosni Mubarak's 30-year reign today, authority in the North African nation has shifted to Defense Minister Hussein Tantawi, a man experts and some protestors said is undoubtedly a member of the old regime, but clean of the human rights abuses the plagued the state's intelligence and police agencies. "He's the defense minister. He's a career officer... Anyone that serves the ministry for that long is part of the regime," Nathan Brown of George Washington University's Elliot School of International Affairs told ABC News. "I would be surprised if he kept that job that long without being loyal [to Mubarak]." However, John Sifton, a former investigator with Human Rights Watch and author of two major reports on Egypt, said that as far as abuses, "in comparison with the civilian institutions, the military -- let's just say we have a lot more faith and optimism about what's going to happen" now that the military is in charge. Egypt's recently appointed vice president, Omar Suleiman, made the announcement today that a military council, with Tantawi at its head, would wield power in the nation in Mubarak's place, even though several U.S. and Egyptian officials assumed Suleiman would inherit control. Suleiman, formerly the country's intelligence chief and who oversaw the torture of an Al Qaeda suspect, would have represented little of the change the protestors were hoping for, experts said. "Mubarak and Suleiman are the same person," said Emile Nakhleh, a former top Middle East analyst for the CIA. "They are not two different people in terms of ideology and reform." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zig Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 The Emerging Counter-Revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23179 An arrogant pharaoh has fallen. Egyptians may be chanting that their country is free, but their struggle is far from over. The United Arab Republic of Egypt is not free yet. The old regime and its apparatus are still very much in place and waiting for the dust to settle. The Egyptian military is officially in control of Egypt and the counter-revolution is emerging. A new phase of the struggle for liberty has started. The so-called regime-desired "transitional phases" in Tunisia and Egypt are being used to buy time in order to do three things. The first objective is to erode and eventually break the people's popular demands. The second goal is to work to preserve neo-liberal economic policies, which will be used to subvert the political system, and to tighten the straightjacket of external debts. Finally, the third motivation and objective is the preparation of counter-revolution. The Self-Selected Egyptian "Wise Men" Unqualified figures are emerging, which claim to be speaking or leading the Arab people. This includes the so-called committee of "Wise Men" in Egypt. These unelected figures are supposedly negotiating with the Mubarak regime on behalf of the Egyptian population, but they have no legitimacy as representatives of the people. The Secretary-General of the Arab League, Amr Moussa, is amongst them. Secretary-General Moussa has also said that he is interested in becoming a future cabinet minister in Cairo. All of these figures are either regime insiders or agents of the status quo. Amongst these self-chosen individuals also is the chief of Orascom Telecom Holdings (O.T.H.) S.A.E., Egyptian billionaire Naguib Sawiris. Bloomberg Newsweek had this to say about Sawiri: "Most Egyptian businessmen are keeping low profiles these days. The protesters in Cairo's Tahrir Square blame them for Egypt's ills, and mobs have even trashed some of their properties. Yet Egypt's most prominent mogul, Naguib Sawiris, chairman of Orascom Telecom Holding, the Middle East's biggest telecome company is in Cairo fielding calls on his mobile phone, appearing on TV, and (as a member of an informal committee of "wise men") negotiating with newly appointed Vice-President Omar Suleiman about a gradual transfer of power away from President Hosni Mubarak. Far from discouraged, the billionaire thinks a more vibrant Egyptian economy may emerge from the turmoil." [1] The so-called "Wise Men" in Egypt are involved in bravado. To whom is the power "gradually" being "transfered"? Another unelected figure, like Suleiman? What is the nature of the negotiations? Power sharing between an unelected regime and a new cast? There is nothing to negotiate with unelected despots. The role that the "Wise Men" play is that of a "manufactured opposition" that will keep the interests behind the Mubarak regime in place and also dilute the real opposition movements in Egypt. Al-Mebazaa Given Dictator Powers while Tunisian Military Reservists are Mobilized In Tunisia, military reservists are being summoned for duty to manage the protesters. [2] The mobilization of the Tunisian military has been justified under the pretext of combating lawlessness and violence. The Tunisian regime itself has been behind most this lawlessness and violence. At the same time as the mobilization of Tunisian reservists, Fouad Al-Mebazaa, the interim president of Tunisia, has been given dictatorial powers. [3] Al-Mebazaa was the man that Ben Ali selected as parliamentary speaker of Tunisia and a leading figure inside Ben Ali's Constitutional Democratic Rally (CDP) Party. Protesters peacefully tried to stop the members of the Tunisian Parliament from voting to grant dictatorial powers to Al-Mebazaa by blocking entry into the Tunisian Parliament. The members of the Tunisian Parliament are all members of the "old regime." Amid the protests, the Tunisian Parliament still managed to go forward with the plan: "Lawmakers eventually bypassed demonstrators by accessing the voting hall through a service door, the TAP news agency reported. In a 177-16 vote, the lower house approved a plan to give Interim President Fouad Mebazaa temporary powers to pass laws by decree." [4] The next day, the Tunisian Senate would approve this too. [5] Al-Mebazza can now select governors and officials at will, change electoral laws, give amnesty to whomsoever he pleases, and bypass all Tunisian state institutions through his decrees. The passing of the motion to give Al-Mebazza what amounts to dictatorial powers is an illustration of the facets of "cosmetic democracy." This act by the kangaroo Tunisian Parliament is being passed off as a democratic act of voting, but in reality all its members were undemocratically selected by the Ben Ali regime. The Generals of the Egyptian Military and Vice-President Suleiman are a Continuation of Mubarak In Egypt, the commanders of the military have stated that they will not allow the protests to continue for much longer. The military leadership of Egypt are all heavily invested into the kleptocratic status quo of the Mubarak regime. Egyptian generals or flag officers are all wealthy members of the Egyptian capitalist class. Without any distinctions, the leadership of the Egyptian military and the Mubarak regime are one and the same. All key figures in the Mubarak regime are from the ranks of the military. Omar Suleiman, the newly appointed vice-president of Egypt and the general who was the former head of the intelligence services of Egypt, has started to back-track on the promises made by the Mubarak regime and himself. The New York Times reported that "Omar Suleiman of Egypt says he does not think it is time to lift the 30-year-old emergency law that has been used to suppress and imprison opposition leaders." [6] Just days before Mubarak's resignation, Suleiman has also stated: "He does not think that President Hosni Mubarak needs to resign before his term ends in September [2011]. And he does not think [Egypt] is ready for democracy." [7] Battles have been Won, But the Struggle Continues... The stakes are getting higher. The people of Tunisia and Egypt should be aware that the U.S. government and the European Union are politically hedging their bets. They support the counter-revolutions of the old regimes, but are also working to co-opt and control the outcomes of the protest movements. In another development, the U.S. and NATO are also making naval deployments into the Eastern Mediterranean. Specifically with Egypt in mind, this too could be meant to aid the counter-revolution, but it can also be used to intervene against a successful revolution. The events in Tunisia and Egypt have proven wrong all the false assumptions about the Arab peoples. The Tunisian and Egyptian people have acted peacefully and intelligently. They have also proven that the assumption of an advanced political culture in Western Europe, North America, or Australia is merely utter nonsense used to justify repression of other peoples. as i said before, seems way to early for celebration... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brothhalynch Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 TOO MUCH READY U GUES MUST BE VERY BORED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zig Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 conspiracy bullshit that's all you can really say so, your opinion means nothing to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayorMeanBeans Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 ^well take it from me (who reads a lot) - you are probably quoting from a college graduate at a shitty non profit (in this case, in montreal), that is writing stuff so that it fits within their world view. you have been successfully freaked out by some 24 year old who is angry at the world and basically makes shit up, without basis (do you reaaaaally think that someone at globalresearch.ca has inner access to the egyptian govt./military/anybody to make the bold claims that they make, or are they just surmising????) ill give you one example from the introduction, where they pass opinion off as fact: "The so-called regime-desired "transitional phases" in Tunisia and Egypt are being used to buy time in order to do three things. The first objective is to erode and eventually break the people's popular demands. The second goal is to work to preserve neo-liberal economic policies, which will be used to subvert the political system, and to tighten the straightjacket of external debts. Finally, the third motivation and objective is the preparation of counter-revolution." in normal land, you can't say such things without footnotes. you just can't. especially when you are a tiny non profit in montreal whose missions statement is to 'expose the hidden truth'. When you quote people that say things like "In Egypt, the commanders of the military have stated that they will not allow the protests to continue for much longer", despite the fact that the protests have ended; and conclude with a completely retarded statement like, "They have also proven that the assumption of an advanced political culture in Western Europe, North America, or Australia is merely utter nonsense used to justify repression of other peoples." What the fuck does that even mean? Did it really just argue that egypt's protests proved the idea wrong that western civilization has an advanced political culture?? i would ask if any egyptian knew they were protesting against western political culture, or if the writer just made that shit up.. this sort of shit makes me feel stupid just reading it. and if it doesnt make you feel stupid, i suggest you read more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Whilst it is a very messy piece with some silly sentences strewn throughout, I do think that its central thesis is solid. There was no people's revolution, there was a military coup. Eve since Nasser over-threw the monarchy it has essentially been a military govt. Mubarak went to change that by placing his son in charge, basically taking it back to being a monarchy. They military used the unrest to kick Mub out and we are back to the status quo. Now that is it in a nutshell, of course it is more nuanced than that in its entirety. But if that is the central thesis with the piece that Zig posted, I have to agree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearekilluminati Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Egypt's new military administration and the pro-democracy protesters who brought down Hosni Mubarak are at odds over the path to democratic rule. The army sought to stave off pressure from jubilant protesters to swiftly hand power to a civilian-led administration by saying that it was committed to a "free democratic state". The military leadership gave no timetable for the political transition, and many of the demonstrators who filled Cairo's Tahrir Square for 18 days rejected the military's appeal to dismantle the barricades and go home. They said they were waiting for specific commitments from the military on their demand for a civilian-controlled interim administration, the lifting of the oppressive state of emergency and other steps toward liberalisation. believe me when i say.........this is a revolution. the people know what they want, bieng politically aware enables them to realize the true evil. so here we come.....................fuck what you hear....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearekilluminati Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Sunday, February 13, 2011Egypt's army clashes with protesters Editorial at presstv.ir Egypt's army has clashed with protesters that refuse to leave Cairo's Liberation Square two days after the US-backed dictator Hosni Mubarak was ousted from power. Soldiers on Sunday scuffled with thousands of protesters camping out in the Square, the focal point of massive rallies that brought down Mubarak on Friday, a Press TV correspondent reported. Shouting slogans, protesters fought street battles with soldiers forcing them to back away, the report added. The protesters, remaining in Cairo's central Liberation Square on Saturday night, warned of holding further rallies if the military fails to fulfill its promise of a peaceful transition of power to a democratic civilian system. Eighteen days of revolution across Egypt forced the embattled Mubarak to leave office on Friday, handing over power to a military council. The military promised "a peaceful transition of power" to an elected civilian government on Saturday in order to build "a free democratic state." However, the new military leadership did not set a timetable to fulfill the pledge. Thousands of protesters vowed to remain on the major landmark until their demands are met. Activists have demanded the release of political prisoners, the lifting of a 30-year-old state of emergency and the disbandment of military courts. They say demonstrations will continue until the army accepts the reforms. According to the United Nations, the Egyptian revolution left more than 300 people dead and thousands more injured. Reports say the Egyptian military has secretly detained hundreds and possibly thousands of pro-democracy demonstrators since protests erupted on January 25 demanding Mubarak's ouster. RZS/MB http://www.presstv.ir/detail/164997.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zig Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 ^well take it from me (who reads a lot) - you are probably quoting from a college graduate at a shitty non profit (in this case, in montreal), that is writing stuff so that it fits within their world view. you have been successfully freaked out by some 24 year old who is angry at the world and basically makes shit up, without basis (do you reaaaaally think that someone at globalresearch.ca has inner access to the egyptian govt./military/anybody to make the bold claims that they make, or are they just surmising????) ill give you one example from the introduction, where they pass opinion off as fact: "The so-called regime-desired "transitional phases" in Tunisia and Egypt are being used to buy time in order to do three things. The first objective is to erode and eventually break the people's popular demands. The second goal is to work to preserve neo-liberal economic policies, which will be used to subvert the political system, and to tighten the straightjacket of external debts. Finally, the third motivation and objective is the preparation of counter-revolution." in normal land, you can't say such things without footnotes. you just can't. especially when you are a tiny non profit in montreal whose missions statement is to 'expose the hidden truth'. When you quote people that say things like "In Egypt, the commanders of the military have stated that they will not allow the protests to continue for much longer", despite the fact that the protests have ended; and conclude with a completely retarded statement like, "They have also proven that the assumption of an advanced political culture in Western Europe, North America, or Australia is merely utter nonsense used to justify repression of other peoples." What the fuck does that even mean? Did it really just argue that egypt's protests proved the idea wrong that western civilization has an advanced political culture?? i would ask if any egyptian knew they were protesting against western political culture, or if the writer just made that shit up.. this sort of shit makes me feel stupid just reading it. and if it doesnt make you feel stupid, i suggest you read more. honestly, you're replies make me feel stupid reading them... not the pieces over at globalresearcher or other places i venture upon, who actually open up different possibilities and bring to the table different forms of discussion rather than the normal hivemind scenarios that make the rounds in the regular circles of thought. and you're long winded reply is basically just a dismissal of everything that was mentioned in the article, rather than coming up with something of any sort of rebuttal that is well articulated and thought provoking. but hey, that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 So basically what you're saying is you'd feel more swayed by Mayors post if it was undocumented sensational claims that fit into your world view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILOTSMYBRAIN Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 So basically what you're saying is you'd feel more swayed by Mayors post if it was undocumented sensational claims that fit into your world view? Someone hand this man his Ph.D. He's cracked the case, the jig is up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zig Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 yea, that's what i'm saying you guys totally contributed to this thread btw. i don't think you guys noticed either but at the bottom of the article your claiming has no sources, there is pretty much sources for everything he referenced... not many people who write article on the internet even do that so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 believe me when i say.........this is a revolution. the people know what they want, bieng politically aware enables them to realize the true evil. so here we come.....................fuck what you hear....... There are so many problems with this post. There is a timetable for starters. But most of all, if you think this was a revolution rather than a military coup you need to turn your computer off and go get your eyes checked. IF you haven't noticed, there is not one single leader of the protesters on the military council that now has control. The people didn't throw Mubarak out, the army threw him and some others out, took control and told the people to go home. Doesn't sound like any revolution that I know of!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Not my words: Egypt’s Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, the provisional military authority comprising the country’s top generals that has ruled the country since the resignation of President Hosni Mubarak on Feb. 11, suspended the country’s constitution and dissolved its parliament Feb. 13. In its fifth communique, the council said it would oversee the affairs of the country for six months, during which it will appoint a committee that would address constitutional amendments. After the amendments are proposed, they would be approved via a national referendum. The need to work with a broad array of political and technocratic forces to devise rules governing the committee and its composition, as well as the need for laws governing the referendum process, will likely complicate matters and could lead to delays. The move to suspend the constitution is crucial for the military rulers in that it allows them to govern with very few limits on their powers. For example, the council will no longer have to hold elections within the mandatory 60-day period. However, the move does not seem to indicate the imposition of martial law — at least for now, given that the military has not yet banned political activity, and that civilian institutions (a prime minister-led civilian Cabinet, government ministries, police, judiciary, etc.) remain in place. The council will likely establish a legal framework order — an interim charter of sorts — to avoid having to impose martial law. By dismantling the parliament, the military is both enhancing its clout and addressing opposition complaints against the current civilian government led by the National Democratic Party, which the military will likely try to reinvent to check opposition forces in elections, whenever they are held. The council remains very vague on the specifics dealing with the issue of elections, which, coupled with the suspension of the constitution, could eventually erode the positive attitude the public has held regarding the military establishment throughout the crisis. Such an outcome has likely been factored into the council’s plans moving forward, which means it believes it will be able to prevent further unrest while moving to stabilize and consolidate the state. Nevertheless, the council will not likely be able to hand over power to an elected government within the prescribed six months, and questions remain over how exactly the military will proceed on the promise of constitutional reforms. Hahahahaha, yeah..., "The people's revolution"!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I'm hearing Hosni may soon depart this mortal coil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearekilluminati Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 There are so many problems with this post. There is a timetable for starters. But most of all, if you think this was a revolution rather than a military coup you need to turn your computer off and go get your eyes checked. IF you haven't noticed, there is not one single leader of the protesters on the military council that now has control. The people didn't throw Mubarak out, the army threw him and some others out, took control and told the people to go home. Doesn't sound like any revolution that I know of!! yo homeboy! please shut up. you are no spokeperson for nobody but yourself. you work for who again.... fucking disinformant trick. you must not be intouch with the sentiments of the people of egypt. your always wrong in so many topics.... yo! you are done shut the fuck up and wake up or shut up.. you payroll rat. it might of started as a protest, evolved into a revolution. of course there has to be a coup d'état, there always is. i will reiterate the people of egypt know the political process....this is a revolution! TRICK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Anti-government protests spread to Iran http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/14/AR2011021400848.html?hpid=topnews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearekilluminati Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 There are so many problems with this post. There is a timetable for starters. But most of all, if you think this was a revolution rather than a military coup you need to turn your computer off and go get your eyes checked. IF you haven't noticed, there is not one single leader of the protesters on the military council that now has control. The people didn't throw Mubarak out, the army threw him and some others out, took control and told the people to go home. Doesn't sound like any revolution that I know of!! February 14, 2011 JERUSALEM (AFP) -- The Israeli military is "ready for all eventualities" as the Arab and Muslim world undergoes "an earthquake," Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Monday just days after Egypt's regime collapsed. "An earthquake is shaking the whole Arab world and a large part of the Muslim world and we don't yet know how these things will turn out," the premier said at a swearing-in ceremony for new army chief Major General Benny Gantz. "We are ready for all eventualities because we know that the foundation of our existence, and our capacity to convince our neighbours to live in peace with us, is based on the Israeli army," he said during a ceremony at his Jerusalem office. Gantz takes over the post as Israel's strategic stance in the Middle East undergoes a shakeup in the wake of a popular revolt in Egypt which ousted president Hosni Mubarak after three decades in power. Israel has reacted cautiously to the overthrow of Mubarak, an ally who was involved in years of Middle East peace negotiations. But it welcomed a statement by Egypt's new military ruling council that Cairo remains committed to all its treaties, including its landmark 1979 peace deal with Israel. yea mother fucker.........payroll bitch....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearekilluminati Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Egyptians concerned about plot to hijack revolution By staff and agencies CAIRO/TEHRAN – Egypt’s people power movement forced out an arrogant pharaoh, who had ruled the country for the last thirty years with the help of the United States, other Western powers, and Israel, but now it seems that new dangers are arising. The Egyptians may be chanting that their country is free, but their struggle is far from over since some lackeys of the USA and Israel in the Egyptian establishment are already making efforts to hijack the historic revolution. The Egyptian military is now officially in control of Egypt and the counter-revolution is unfolding. So a new phase of the liberation struggle has started. On Sunday, protesters again took to the streets across the country and thronged Cairo’s iconic Tahrir Square as the new military rulers announced that they would stay in power for six months, when they say elections will be held. The military rulers also dissolved parliament and suspended the constitution on Sunday. The protesters want all their demands met, including the transition of power from the military to a civilian, democratic government. On Sunday, clashes broke out between the army and the protesters as troops tried to disperse thousands of demonstrators in Tahrir Square, a Press TV correspondent reported. The wave of demonstrations in and around the square is showing no sign of stopping, with hundreds of thousands of protesters continuing to gather in the square. Soldiers shoved pro-democracy protesters aside to force a path for traffic to start flowing through the square for the first time in more than two weeks. Al Jazeera’s correspondent in Cairo said the confrontation between troops and protesters was something of a “flashpoint”. “I think it reflects a bigger problem, that the military believes that now (that) Mubarak is out, it’s time for stability,” he said. “But some of the protesters think not enough has been done yet. They don’t want to clear that square until the army has handed (power) over to a civilian government,” he added. The military junta that took over when Mubarak stepped down on Friday and the caretaker government also set as a top priority the restoration of security, AP reported. The protesters had been pressing the ruling military council, led by Defense Minister Hussein Tantawi, to immediately move forward with the transition process by appointing a presidential council, dissolving the parliament, and releasing detainees. “They have definitely started to offer us what we wanted,” said activist Sally Touma, reflecting a mix of caution and optimism among protesters who want to see even more change, including repeal of the repressive emergency law. Judge Hisham Bastawisi, a reformist judge, said the actions “should open the door for free formation of political parties and open the way for any Egyptian to run (in) the presidential election.” Hossam Bahgat, the director of the non-governmental organization the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, said the military’s steps were positive but warned that Egypt was on uncharted legal ground. “In the absence of a constitution, we have entered a sort of ‘twilight zone’ in terms of rules, so we are concerned,” he said. “We are clearly monitoring the situation and will attempt to influence the transitional phase so as to respect human rights.” The military ruling council also said it was forming a committee to amend the constitution and devise the rules for a popular referendum to endorse the amendments. Al Jazeera’s James Bays, reporting from Cairo, said the two announcements do not indicate that the prime minister and military council are talking against each other. But it is “quite clear that the power now rests entirely” with the military council, he said. “They’ve taken on the role of the presidency and the prime minister and the other ministers carry out their orders. The key point is the military is saying they are only in power for a temporary basis, for six months or they’ll go earlier if elections are called before six months,” he added. But Al Jazeera’s correspondent noted that the “one thing that wasn’t in that communique that protesters have asked for was the repeal of emergency laws.” Protest organizers had called for both the dissolution of parliament and the lifting of a 30-year-old state of emergency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayorMeanBeans Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 if you are wondering where he got that from ^ here is the link http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=235748 and from a website that describeswhat various sources are, "Tehran Times is a Tehran-based English daily newspaper, established in 1979. It is run by the Islamic Republic and thus leans towards its theocratic and � consequently autocratic � principles" http://newstrust.net/sources/tehran_times hmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 tell ya what, there are good reasons i don't bother much with crossfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zig Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Anti-government protests spread to Iran http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/14/AR2011021400848.html?hpid=topnews TEHRAN - Crowds of demonstrators battled security forces armed with tear gas and batons during a surprisingly large anti-government protest in the Iranian capital Monday that drew inspiration from the recent popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia. Dodging clouds of tear gas fired by police and pro-government militiamen, the protesters marched down a central boulevard and shouted slogans such as "Death to the dictator," "We are all together" and "Down with Taliban, in Cairo and Tehran." Witnesses at several positions along the route said vast throngs of people could be seen marching from Enghelab (Revolution) Square toward Azadi (Freedom) Square, overwhelming police efforts to stop them. Dozens of protesters were arrested for participating in the banned rally, an opposition Web site reported. A similar demonstration, clashes and arrests were reported in the central Iranian city of Isfahan. The gathering in Tehran appeared to be the most significant anti-government protest here since security forces cracked down on a series of massive demonstrations in 2009. The size of the crowd was difficult to estimate. Some witnesses said they believed it exceeded 200,000. The Associated Press said tens of thousands of people demonstrated. In any case, the government seemed to have been taken by surprise by the large numbers of protesters. Security forces shot dozens of tear gas grenades at demonstrators who at times attacked members of the pro-government paramilitary Basij forces. Police, who seemed to be mobilized in smaller numbers than usual, tried to disperse the protesters using batons and tear gas. A man was seen coming to the rescue of his wife after a helmeted officer hit her on the legs. In the afternoon, as the crowds grew, the police were seen retreating in some areas. By evening, the protesters seemed ready to disperse. Internet service had been disrupted in Tehran, so it was difficult to ascertain the next steps for organizers, who had relied on Web sites and social media to launch Monday's rally. Unrest in the Middle East and North Africa -- country by country http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/14/arab.region.unrest/index.html?hpt=T2 (CNN) -- Unrest has spread across the Middle East and North Africa. Here's a look at what has happened -- and what is happening -- in various countries: ALGERIA Authorities in Algeria said Monday that they would lift a 20-year state of emergency in the "coming days." They acted after anti-government protesters chanting "change the power!" clashed with security forces in the capital over the weekend, witnesses said. The state of emergency was imposed in 1992 to quell a civil war that led to the deaths of what U.S. officials estimate to be more than 150,000 people. About 100 protesters were arrested during the protests in Algiers on Saturday, according to the opposition Algerian League for Human Rights. BAHRAIN Protests were scheduled to take place Monday afternoon in the Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain, where at least three police officers and one demonstrator were injured in clashes Sunday, the state new agency reported. The injuries occurred during an attack on a police station during protests Sunday evening, the news agency said. After three officers were injured, police fired on protesters with rubber bullets, causing one injury, the news agency said. EGYPT Unrest persisted in Egypt on Monday even after an 18-day revolution toppled longtime President Hosni Mubarak, who stepped down Friday. Egypt's banks remained closed Monday after protests by National Bank workers apparently drove out the head of the institution. The nation's stock market remained closed until further notice because of turmoil in the banking sector. In addition, current and former police officers continued a peaceful protest Monday in front of the Interior Ministry, saying they want higher pay, shorter hours, better benefits and more respect. And some police officers told reporters they were ordered to shoot protesters during demonstrations last week and threatened with prison if they did not. IRAN Tens of thousands of demonstrators marched along Revolution Avenue in downtown Tehran on Monday, protesting the government of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, witnesses said. The wave of people remained largely silent as they walked toward the capital city's Azadi Square, though some clashes between security forces and demonstrators broke out in several parts of Tehran, according to witnesses. Security forces fired tear gas in some places and detained demonstrators in other areas of the city. The Iranian government rounded up activists last week after opposition leaders Mehdi Karrubi and Mir Hossein Moussavi called for supporters to gather at Azadi Square -- the site of mass protests by Iran's opposition movement after the disputed 2009 presidential elections. IRAQ Thousands of people rallied this month in cities across the country, protesting rampant poverty, a 45% national unemployment rate and shortages of food, electricity and water. Most recently, hundreds of angry demonstrators took to the streets of Ramadi -- about 60 miles (100 kilometers) west of Baghdad -- to protest the government's inability to provide basic services. After the protests began, Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki announced he would cut his salary in half amid the growing unrest over poor public services and water shortages. State television also reported this month that al-Maliki would not run for a third term when his current one expires in 2014. JORDAN U.S. Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, traveled over the weekend to Jordan, where King Abdullah II swore in a new government last week following anti-government protests in his country. The new government has a mandate for political reform and is headed by a former general, with several opposition and media figures among its ranks. The appointment of new Prime Minister Marouf al Bakhit was seen as an attempt to shore up support among Jordan's Bedouin tribes -- the bedrock of the monarchy. Jordan's economy has been hard-hit by the global economic downturn and rising commodity prices, and youth unemployment is high, as it is in Egypt. Officials close to the palace have told CNN that Abdullah is trying to turn a regional upheaval into an opportunity for reform. LIBYA There were calls made through Facebook for a day of peaceful demonstrations in Libya on Monday. The protests come in the shadow of leader Moammar Gadhafi, who has ruled the country for almost 40 years and had expressed support for former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak during the crisis there. It was not immediately clear Monday whether protests had taken place. PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES Prime Minister Salam Fayyad's Cabinet submitted its resignations to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Monday, days after the announcement of new elections in September. The Palestinian Territories have not seen the same kind of demonstrations as in many Arab countries, but the government has been under criticism since Al-Jazeera published secret papers claiming to reveal some of the wide-ranging concessions Palestinian officials were prepared to make in negotiations with Israel. Negotiations have collapsed. Abbas' Palestinian Authority holds sway only over the West Bank. The militant Islamist movement Hamas controls Gaza. SYRIA As protests heated up around the region, the Syrian government pulled back from a plan to withdraw some subsidies that keep the cost of living down in the country. President Bashar al-Assad also gave a rare interview to Western media, telling The Wall Street Journal for a January 31 article that he planned reforms that would allow for local elections and also included a new media law and more power for private organizations. A planned "Day of Rage" that was being organized on Facebook for February 5 failed to materialize, The New York Times reported. SUDAN Demonstrators have clashed with authorities on several recent occasions in Sudan. Human Rights Watch has said that "authorities used excessive force during largely peaceful protests on January 30 and 31 in Khartoum and other northern cities to call for an end to the National Congress Party rule and government-imposed price increases." Witnesses said that security forces used pipes, sticks and tear gas to disperse protesters and that several were arrested, including 20 who remain missing. The Sudanese Embassy said that people in Sudan have the right to "demonstrate as they wish" but that "some opportunists capitalize" on incidents "to inspire chaos or smear Sudan's image." TUNISIA The European Union's top foreign policy official, Catherine Ashton, met Monday with government and civil society leaders in Tunisia, the North African country where protests in December sparked unrest that has spread across North Africa and the Middle East. After weeks of demonstrations that started in December, longtime President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali fled the country. Since then, Italy has complained about a wave of migrants from Tunisia coming into its territory. YEMEN Clashes broke out between pro- and anti-government protesters in Yemen's capital, Sanaa, for at least the third day in a row Monday. About 200 anti-government protesters were confronted by about 300 counter-demonstrators, and the two sides threw rocks at each other and brandished daggers and knives. Several protesters were arrested. On Sunday, hundreds of anti-government protesters marched toward the presidential palace, but were blocked by security forces. Protesters attempted to reach the palace on side streets, and riot police reportedly used force in attempting to disperse them. Human rights group Amnesty International condemned the use of force in a statement issued Monday. Clashes also erupted Friday night and Saturday. Yemen's Embassy in Washington said the opposition coalition had announced its intention to hold a dialogue with the administration. Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh has been in power for 32 years and has pledged not to run for re-election when his current term ends in 2013. relates a lot to those other articles I posted concerning a global political awakening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearekilluminati Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 i see a world war at hand......well thats only if the soldiers around the world stay asleep......until then killuminati...........remember its a state of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 February 14, 2011 JERUSALEM (AFP) -- The Israeli military is "ready for all eventualities" as the Arab and Muslim world undergoes "an earthquake," Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Monday just days after Egypt's regime collapsed. "An earthquake is shaking the whole Arab world and a large part of the Muslim world and we don't yet know how these things will turn out," the premier said at a swearing-in ceremony for new army chief Major General Benny Gantz. "We are ready for all eventualities because we know that the foundation of our existence, and our capacity to convince our neighbours to live in peace with us, is based on the Israeli army," he said during a ceremony at his Jerusalem office. Gantz takes over the post as Israel's strategic stance in the Middle East undergoes a shakeup in the wake of a popular revolt in Egypt which ousted president Hosni Mubarak after three decades in power. Israel has reacted cautiously to the overthrow of Mubarak, an ally who was involved in years of Middle East peace negotiations. But it welcomed a statement by Egypt's new military ruling council that Cairo remains committed to all its treaties, including its landmark 1979 peace deal with Israel. yea mother fucker.........payroll bitch....... Ah, I don't understand how that refutes anything I've said. Instead of trying to discredit me try refuting my argument with logic rather than silly accusations that attack my character. How can it have been a people's revolution if it is the military that are now in control? If it's a people's revolution shouldn't it be the people who are in control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zig Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I don't believe we should be downplaying the effort of the people in Egypt though, and that isn't my intention in this thread. I still believe it's very honorable and admirable what the Egyptian people did manage to accomplish, but I agree with christo that this wasn't anything but a military coup and the people of Egypt still do not have what it is they protested so passionately for. Sure, the military can make all of the promises it wants to the people of Egypt and put up the front as if they are abiding by the wishes of the people, however, in my opinion, I somewhat agree with the analytical articles posted from the globalresearcher website that insinuate a neo-liberal democratization of the country is not in the best interest of the Egyptian people. Neither is a military dictatorship in their best interests, and I doubt that this outcome is what they had hoped for when protests initiated. Already you hear reports of protesters being sent home and told to stop protesting by the military, so on one hand you have the new leaders saying "We will stay true to the wishes of the Egyptian people.", and on the other hand you have them saying "Shutup, and go home.". The people of the Middle East are hip to the game though, they don't want Western co-opted dictators in their countries just as much as we wouldn't want it here in the U.S. They want their sovereignty and freedom just as much as any other country would, and that is respectable. I fear that they will just be dragged along a road though that leads them towards neo-liberal democratization in which candidates will be chosen for them to vote for, just as it is here in the U.S., that are NWO approved/co-opted... and will only further integrate these nations into a global economy that doesn't serve the interests of the average citizen, but rather the interests of global elite who will profit from the Middle East being integrated into this global system. Already we have the IMF putting out wild reports concerning SDR's and other matters that concern the global economy in the midst of these historical revolutions taking place. Call it conspiracy as much as you want, but opportunists will always seek ways to flip the turn of events in their favor, and I personally see this occurring from what was probably a legitimate uprising of the Egyptian people. It isn't the fault of those protesters either, but to stop and celebrate as if there was some sort of victory when a military dictatorship is now in place of the old dictatorship is ridiculous. There is no cause for celebration, there is still much work to be done if the Middle East has any intention of being free of not only Western influenced dictators, but predatory globalist institutions who have every desire not only to destabilize that region of the world but to also profit and capitalize off of it's people until these nation's are indebted and enslaved just the way they've done to the U.S. economy and many other economies around the globe. It isn't only the effort of the people in that region of the world that is needed also, and it's incredible that this global awakening is taking place at such a rapid pace, and that we have all of these nation's suddenly bursting with advocacy that is anti-government... fighting for their freedom. It shows that around the globe people are really beginning to suffer from having no jobs, failing economies, no food in some cases... because these people are much worse off than we are in America, where we are kept comfortable with our flat-screen TV's, cars, gadgets, internet, etc. and most of us have no intention of going outside and protesting. That's why I posted that article which stated Egypt could be a preview of America in 2015, because eventually these problems will hit home as the U.S Economy, in my opinion, isn't exempt from suffering at the hand of this globalist system as well. Now, that's my take on the situation over there... I have a right to my opinion and my world view and I absolutely believe anyone has the right to disagree with me and think I'm stupid or whatever the case may be, but please at least respect the fact that I have the balls to come here and actually post my opinion and contribute to the thread. A lot of you simply pop your heads in here from time to time to ridicule other people without even saying anything about where you stand. You might think you are to educated, or it is beneath you or something like that, and that's all fine but then do yourself a favor and keep your criticism to yourself. oh, and don't affiliate me with that wearekilluminati kid either, as i'm pretty certain he is either just a troll or someone with some serious issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearekilluminati Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 yea im a kid.........lol ^^^^^ i completley agree with your stance, with the information at hand your opinion holds substantial ground. the reason why i do not completley put my stance is because, first its pointless here. here you can hold a sence of anonymity. so in a sense my screen name is a theme and only that. i have no ego, therefore i do not care what you think. i do have serious issues, but to talk about. Meaninful issues that we as civilians face here in the homeland and abroad. issues that need to be adressed. im not going into specifics. but i do have to say wake up or shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christo-f Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 yea im a kid.........lol ^^^^^ i completley agree with your stance, with the information at hand your opinion holds substantial ground. the reason why i do not completley put my stance is because, first its pointless here.. So why do you come here then? It seems like you're trying to proselytize a perspective but that is impossible to do without a coherent argument, which requires back and forth debate founded on a mutual respect for each other. People are swayed by conversation, not by being told "Wake up or shut up". People don't react to simply being told "your view is shit, agree with me or shut up". With that kind of attitude you'd make a great dictator. Zig, will read tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lord_casek Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Maybe these animals deserved a dictator? Lara Logan, CBS Correspondent, Sexually Assaulted In Egypt Read more: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/112842/20110215/egypt-lara-logan-cbs-news-cbs-reporter-sexually-assaulted.htm#ixzz1E5DpJm55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qawee Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 OH MY GOD THAT POOR WHITE WOMAN, GET HOSNI BACK HERE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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