12oz Prophet Protects Snitches

[autoteller]

he didn't, it's a database error that occurs since the crash.

[autoteller]

and if it really is the actual colt, why'd you stop? your shit was the only worthwhile thing in that rotten-ass crew.

[rainbostikuh]

 

 

lets lighten things up with some great tits to look at.

 

i vote for exposing the snitches.

 

 

and uh shai said: A good friend of mine just moved to DC. Are you saying that I should call him and say "OMG DUDE I JUST READ ON 12 OZ THAT THERE'S A SNITCH IN DC! BE VEWY VEWY AFWAID OF SO-AND-SO!" No, because he's a grown man. He's been around the block a few times and can handle his own business. If it's a big deal, he'll find out about it.

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it would suck if your grown ass man friend caught a beating just cuz he was rolling with a snitch deserved one and didnt know he was rolling with a rat. better for you to say something then a cop telling him when hes in central bookings.

 

now im not one to spread rumors but if i know some one is shifty and/or a snitch, ill put a warning out to my family so their rep doesnt become tarnished due to associating with a rat. lack of knowledge about gov witnesses can fuck you hard if your involved in a crime in some way. i will not hesitate for a second to let my family know about snitches, cheating girlfriends, theives who steal from friends, cock blockers and people of that nature...call me a snitch then. ill take care of my people.

 

as for 12 oontz... i understand why they wouldnt want this kinda shit on the site. it is a business. and so a fucking what if it is. its alot like a barkeep telling the cowboys not to fight in his bar. take it outside.

[The Cult Of Skaro]

^ lol,

 

"Last edited by shai hulud : 05-30-2008 at 02:29 AM."

 

How did you manage to do that?

 

Shai stop haxoring my 12oontz!

[Bojangles]

Doesn't matter if the documents are legal and you want to get a giant laser and post them on the moon. The rules HERE, on this site state: No identities are to be posted under any circumstance.

 

 

Don't like it? Go start your own site.

 

 

Sure enough, if it was you in the situation...You'd be crying to use mods as well.

[shai]

i vote for exposing the snitches.

 

Expose=snitch...it's basically the same thing.

 

now im not one to spread rumors but

 

"LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WATCH AS HE STEPS OFF OF THE CLIFF! WILL HE CHEAT DEATH? STAY TUNED!"

 

if i know some one is shifty and/or a snitch, ill put a warning out to my family so their rep doesnt become tarnished due to associating with a rat. lack of knowledge about gov witnesses can fuck you hard if your involved in a crime in some way. i will not hesitate for a second to let my family know about snitches, cheating girlfriends, theives who steal from friends, cock blockers and people of that nature...call me a snitch then. ill take care of my people.

 

That's fine! You should let your people know if you KNOW someone is up to no good. On the other hand...

 

it would suck if your grown ass man friend caught a beating just cuz he was rolling with a snitch deserved one and didnt know he was rolling with a rat. better for you to say something then a cop telling him when hes in central bookings.

 

...if you believe everything you read on the internet as gospel truth, well...Martin Ngwembe from Lagos, Nigeria have a very intersting business modality he would like to be discussing with you OK?

 

You want to know why my friend is smart? He doesn't write with people he doesn't know or advertise the fact that he's a writer to strangers. That eliminates about 99.9% percent of his risk. I've seen him shut people down that walked up to him and said "Yo are you so and so? I heard you write graffiti from such and such." He's nobody's fool.

 

as for 12 oontz... i understand why they wouldnt want this kinda shit on the site. it is a business. and so a fucking what if it is. its alot like a barkeep telling the cowboys not to fight in his bar. take it outside.

 

You're 100% within your rights to start DeNocheAtacamos.org and put whatever you want on there, from "exposes" about graffiti writers to interracial goat porn and everything in between. However, 12 oz DOES have a TOS policy, even if it's not always strictly enforced. Another thing to consider is that if I wanted to derail a thread/generate some serious drama while being an attention whore, I couldn't think of a better way to do it than to say "So and so is a rat" then post some "proof". And I couldn't think of a better way to remedy the situation than deleting the post and saying "do that again and you're history."

[Mr.C-Walk]

that was a long response, ill just respond with a "you're wrong" on so many different levels and leave it at that. Ill leave the mediating to yall, you seem to be doing a knock out job.

 

and a "lol" @ the cult of skaro is definitely in order as well.

 

*edit* i real quickly am reminded why i resorted to the dont bother approach on this site many years ago.

[shai]

 

I don't get it. "Stop snitching unless it's on a snitch?" That doesn't make sense. And how am I wrong? Because I don't agree with you and tell you what you want to hear? Saying I'm wrong and not backing it up just makes your argument look weak.

 

Admit it, you're willing to tar and feather people at a distance instead of dealing with shit in person. What kind of satisfaction do you get from selling someone out on the internet? Or are you salty because 12 oz doesn't afford you that privilege?

 

But all kidding aside, start a site where people can rat on each other and prove that there's an audience for this kind of behavior that isn't made up of 14 year old drama hoes, shit-talkers and cops. I mean, I think I already know how it's going to turn out, but I could be wrong.

 

I bet most of the "real writers" on here won't concern themselves with your site though.

 

Whatever, I'm done with this. COLT, I like your work but if this is really how you think graffiti business should be handled then I have to say I'm disappointed.

[rainbostikuh]

 

[NORDICSON]

If you google search your name, the first hit is of a band whose guitarist is wearing a MADBALL shirt...too funny.

[Mr.C-Walk]

 

I don't get it. "Stop snitching unless it's on a snitch?" That doesn't make sense. And how am I wrong? Because I don't agree with you and tell you what you want to hear? Saying I'm wrong and not backing it up just makes your argument look weak.

 

Admit it, you're willing to tar and feather people at a distance instead of dealing with shit in person. What kind of satisfaction do you get from selling someone out on the internet? Or are you salty because 12 oz doesn't afford you that privilege?

 

But all kidding aside, start a site where people can rat on each other and prove that there's an audience for this kind of behavior that isn't made up of 14 year old drama hoes, shit-talkers and cops. I mean, I think I already know how it's going to turn out, but I could be wrong.

 

I bet most of the "real writers" on here won't concern themselves with your site though.

 

Whatever, I'm done with this. COLT, I like your work but if this is really how you think graffiti business should be handled then I have to say I'm disappointed.

 

[__ __ __ __]

i think people went past the point.

[thrashcat]

If you google search your name, the first hit is of a band whose guitarist is wearing a MADBALL shirt...too funny.

 

I fuckin' love me some Madball

[pissdrunkwhat?!]

ayyyo straight up, me and my peoples know when some fraud shit happens, and its handled off the internet.

 

if i got beef with a nigga please believe i aint gonna come on here posting dudes info.

if we got beef WE got beef and im put you in the deep freezer like rocky i aint gonna put you on FOX NEWS and call you a bitch.

 

 

stop snitchin, handle your shit or tell your boys to stop slippin.

[Colt .45]

i couldnt disagree with you more shai and friends.

 

i absolutely appreciate 12oz docking fools for drysnitching peoples real names on the internet. it has happened to me numerous times, even here on 12oz, which is why i tend to stay off graffiti websites most of the time. and i very much appreciate 12oz moderators erasing posts where my real name was posted in the past.

 

but applying the same rule to someone once they have snitched on someone makes no sense at all. THEY are the one who put their government name out there by snitching and it being on court documents. court documents are public records. anyone can pull them from the court clerk's office. so to say that court documents, which are public records, should be censored on the internet, when they are available to the public, makes no sense whatsoever. it effectively says, 12oz moderators are more concerned for protecting snitches than the government is. logic 101.

 

it is a bad policy to be protecting snitches. period. if thats not in your rules, then change the rules. i cant make 12oz moderators do anything. youre right, its your website. and no, i dont want to start a new career in internet marketing, so i wont be starting my own site. but i will try my hardest to shame anyone, who has any shame, into doing the right thing. if you have no shame, and you want to rationalize what you are doing according to some rigid rules that ignore the substantive fact that someone is a snitch, thats on you. you have your reputation and i have mine. i dont think snitches should be allowed any part in the graffiti community, whatever city you live or paint in, and as long as they are welcomed, protected and respected in the graffiti community, count me out.

 

and shai, please give up this silly argument about someone forging snitch papers. dont let your imagination run away with you. there is no doubt that papers are real, when someone has already been prosecuted for the crime! is that point too complex for you to understand? give it up already.

 

and for all the internet thugs out there telling me and my boy to handle our shit, thanks for your advice. now shut up. talking about violence on the internet is a practice i have long since renounced.

 

at this point we are pretty much reiterating the same points over again, so i'll try to exert some self control and not check to reply to any further responses. if you want to speak to me about this or any other issue, talk to someone who knows me, and alot of people do, and we'll arrange to meet at a bar or something the next time im in whatever city you live in, and talk about it over a drink in person. stop sending me pm's.

[earl broclo ESQ]

Colt --we aren't "protecting" snitches. Like Bojangles said, it's a rule for a reason.

 

I hear what you're saying, about how this forum would be a great place to put snitches on blast, but it's how the message is relayed that isn't solid. I know there are a ton of people who really write, who come on here. I also know there are probably more people who don't write at all, or are just stupid kids with the wrong ideas and not enough sense. Think of the info you'll be putting into those people's hands. Then you have a bunch of people involved in a topic, when they shouldn't be. It also opens the door for way to many false accusations. I've seen it happen, where three kids go into a thread and call someone out as a snitch. Then, come to find out, the person isn't a snitch at all, and it's all bullshit. But it doesn't matter because everyone on that thread has to chime in with "snitch ass faggot" or "kill yourself."

 

I also think if people started talking about snitches, then it would lead to talking about cases, and then it would probably lead to talking about names. Something is bound to go wrong in those conversations, and I think a great deal of it is due to random people who shouldn't even be IN the conversation, trying to showcase themselves as some kind of Judge Wapner of graffiti. For the record, I'm not point that finger at you, but at the most likely candidate, the "Johnny 15 year old Wu-man."

 

So yeah, I will agree that having snitches announced for the safety of others, is a good idea, but unfortunately it would probably make things worse for everyone. We all know there are cops trolling this site, and even if they can't build a case off this board, they can record information with intent to investigate. When you have a bunch of pre-pubescent nobodies, yip yapping away like they're king shit, who knows what they'll drop? They could drop some stupid info, that could end up being recorded, misinterpreted, and then it leads back to you or your's.

 

This is the internet, and it has killed graffiti to a certain extent. I just think certain aspects should be kept off here for everyone's own good. If you do feel people should know about a snitch, so they can protect their own, then contact them. Put out an email to everyone you know who paints, and tell them to spread the word.

[shai]

people protecting snitches and letting them ride is one of the major reasons i stopped writing and dont want anything to do with graffiti writers. you're all a bunch of snitches, your heros are snitches and you let snitches kick it as if its all good.

 

I didn't want to bring this up, but since it's no secret on 12 oz...what about ****? I briefly saw the paperwork- he flipped on a couple guys that wanted to meet up with him to settle some beef, got shook and somehow the cops got involved (it's been a while since I saw the papers, so I don't remember the specifics). It's no secret as to who he is, his name was on the docs. Anyway, the docs got posted on here, along with his name...and guess what? He's still walking around, pushing ***...so I'll let you draw your own conclusions from that, but I do agree that things have changed when people can snitch, get aired out, and nothing happens. On the other hand, what if it was all bullshit? It's kind of hard to establish either way, isn't it?

 

As far as I'm concerned, this is just business as usual and a sign of the times. The vast majority of the new jacks out there aren't getting schooled and brought up right, and the internet is certainly no teacher...so they don't give a fuck about anything or anyone but themselves. As a result, most of the vets I've talked to are getting out of the game or going legit because there's no honor among thieves when it comes to graffiti nowadays. And if you think it's bad now, wait till the new jacks are sophomores and the next generation comes up.

 

As I said before. the less the internet has to do with graff politics and gossip, the better. No exceptions.

[jiffgins]

I really hate seeing things like this. We all know (or at least should know) as writers that there are people on this earth who HATE with a fiery, hellish passion what we do. They hate it with every bone in their body, and they will do anything they can to get us busted.

 

This is why it's part of the "Beginner's Bible for Graffiti Writers" that you do not tell people that you write. That's a stupid move on your part (no, I'm not saying you told people). You also don't make your work visible, aka putting it on homework, tests, the outside covers of your blackbook, your room, etc. You need to PROTECT your identity, not make it easier for eht fuzz and the snitchers.

 

Learn who you're writing with; choose these people carefully. Anybody can be a snithc, but the good ones will blend in with the rest of us like white blends in with rice. You will never know who they are until they show up in the court room to testify against your sorry ass.

 

Now, to actually answer your question: 12oz cannot allow threads exposing known snitches to go unchecked because of the issue that it is illegal. Yes, this is a Graffiti forum and anything Graffiti related should be allowed, but certain things have to be prohibited. Like anything in life, there has to be rules. Publically psoting the names and locations of people who snitch on Graffiti writers is: Libel, the written slandering of an individual, harrsasment, and endangering the welfare of another, as this person could come to great harm by an angry writer. If anything like this were to be reported, 12oz would have lawyers crawling up their asses and the forums would be shut down? Is that what you want?

 

Handle the snitches by yourselves. Post them somewhere else. Start your own "Known Graffiti Nitches" website or something like that. Write the list of names in paint on a wall where everybody will see it, photograph it, and send it to the world. Just don't do it here.

 

Oh, and by the way...the others are right...you just snitched on a snitch. Snitching can be done in many different ways, and telling others that somebody is a snitch is an act of snitching all in itself. I'm not saying that you snitched in a bad way or anything, because a lot of us like to know who these snitches are...but you did snitch.

 

I hope this helped you understand.

 

 

hahaha are you fucking kidding me?

 

 

telling people a snitch is a snitch is snitching? i beg to differ here; thats just putting out a heads up to other people not to roll with that cunt. what a joke. posting papers is illegal wah wah; we paint graffiti for fuck sake.

[LexDiamonds]

I'm stymied.

[Detective Axel Folie]

if you want to deal with a snitch properly you let all the heads in your city know that person is a snitch then you go break the snitch's jaw so he cant open his big mouth. I have been snitched on befor but luckly it was back when I was mad toy and I just denied it so I never got charged. I feel for ya tho it sucks that there are people that are too much of a bitch to do there time for there crime so they snitch, but telling everyone online about it isnt making anything better for you.

[gonewithoutaTRES]

was chased by the cops with another writer, k9 unit got em so i went back for him and saved his ass but we both got grabbed and he snitched on me for everything i did and for wat he did. I should have fucking left him. Im so stupid.

[LexDiamonds]

so i went back for him and saved his ass but we both got grabbed and he snitched on me for everything i did and for wat he did[/color]. I should have fucking left him. Im so stupid.

 

What the fuck does this mean???

So you went back to save him and we both got frabbed???

Stupid is not the word for your kind.

What the fuck did you think they we're gonna do, release him into your care??

:(

[LexDiamonds]

 

I don't get it. "Stop snitching unless it's on a snitch?" That doesn't make sense. And how am I wrong? Because I don't agree with you and tell you what you want to hear? Saying I'm wrong and not backing it up just makes your argument look weak.

 

Admit it, you're willing to tar and feather people at a distance instead of dealing with shit in person. What kind of satisfaction do you get from selling someone out on the internet? Or are you salty because 12 oz doesn't afford you that privilege?

 

But all kidding aside, start a site where people can rat on each other and prove that there's an audience for this kind of behavior that isn't made up of 14 year old drama hoes, shit-talkers and cops. I mean, I think I already know how it's going to turn out, but I could be wrong.

 

I bet most of the "real writers" on here won't concern themselves with your site though.

 

Whatever, I'm done with this. COLT, I like your work but if this is really how you think graffiti business should be handled then I have to say I'm disappointed.

 

 

Shai is right homies.

Anyone snitches on a snitch.

Is a snitch and should be dealt with the same way.

And it doesn't involve 12oz, or the internet at all.

It involves some nikes and some teeth.

That's my 2 cent.

[yomommasaho]

Colt --we aren't "protecting" snitches. Like Bojangles said, it's a rule for a reason.

 

I hear what you're saying, about how this forum would be a great place to put snitches on blast, but it's how the message is relayed that isn't solid. I know there are a ton of people who really write, who come on here. I also know there are probably more people who don't write at all, or are just stupid kids with the wrong ideas and not enough sense. Think of the info you'll be putting into those people's hands. Then you have a bunch of people involved in a topic, when they shouldn't be. It also opens the door for way to many false accusations. I've seen it happen, where three kids go into a thread and call someone out as a snitch. Then, come to find out, the person isn't a snitch at all, and it's all bullshit. But it doesn't matter because everyone on that thread has to chime in with "snitch ass faggot" or "kill yourself."

 

I also think if people started talking about snitches, then it would lead to talking about cases, and then it would probably lead to talking about names. Something is bound to go wrong in those conversations, and I think a great deal of it is due to random people who shouldn't even be IN the conversation, trying to showcase themselves as some kind of Judge Wapner of graffiti. For the record, I'm not point that finger at you, but at the most likely candidate, the "Johnny 15 year old Wu-man."

 

So yeah, I will agree that having snitches announced for the safety of others, is a good idea, but unfortunately it would probably make things worse for everyone. We all know there are cops trolling this site, and even if they can't build a case off this board, they can record information with intent to investigate. When you have a bunch of pre-pubescent nobodies, yip yapping away like they're king shit, who knows what they'll drop? They could drop some stupid info, that could end up being recorded, misinterpreted, and then it leads back to you or your's.

 

This is the internet, and it has killed graffiti to a certain extent. I just think certain aspects should be kept off here for everyone's own good. If you do feel people should know about a snitch, so they can protect their own, then contact them. Put out an email to everyone you know who paints, and tell them to spread the word.

 

 

well said, but is there a reason you didnt shut this thread down after you shut that kid down?

 

bottomline with this post:

 

-keep your (or anyone elses) biz off the street, there's little to no benefit from it

and typically just ends with more problems for people.

-if you gotta break silence (i.e. inform your people theres a rat in the house),

do it quietly (email, pm's, a fucking telephone, NOT a public forum)

[!@#$%]

what bojangles said.

 

 

the rules are the rules.

we can't mince it up for people who are supposedly snitches

 

who is to say that supposed proof you have is proof anyway?

nearly everything can be faked these days.

 

this is not some open forum for people to say and do whatever they want

i've said it before, this place is not a democracy

it is not a place to go exact some revenge or vendetta or spread information about people, regardless of what the info might be.

the exceptions are made by the people who own the site, and that stil does not include premium account users.

 

as for "you're all snitches" :crying:

that sounds like sour fuckin grapes.

people are assholes and there are fuckwads in every single group of people

however, you can't lump all people together in one mass and pass a judgement

i've been behind bars, i've been interrogated

and i have never given a single bit of info up

so puh leeze.

[DaOnlyQue]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

"so puh leeze"

[earl broclo ESQ]

well said, but is there a reason you didnt shut this thread down after you shut that kid down?

 

 

I think it's good to have productive conversation with members of the board. It's also the approach and direction of the conversation. It wasn't the usual "FUCK DIS 12oz FAGGOT SHIT, NIGGAS KEEPS IT REALZ ON DA STREETS" bullshit. Once any kind of productive conversation turns into a Mighty Morphin Power Rangers educated rant --then it needs to be stopped.

 

 

You definitely have a good point, and I see where I am being hypocritical. That can be easily fixed with simple edits and the thread can stay open. How we usually handle it in other threads is the same, an edit or delete and sometimes a ban.

[JustHereForTheNight]

was chased by the cops with another writer, k9 unit got em so i went back for him and saved his ass but we both got grabbed and he snitched on me for everything i did and for wat he did. I should have fucking left him. Im so stupid.

 

Yes Skippy, yes you are

[earl broclo ESQ]

niggas be snitchin to popo. no good.

 

**** and ****. marked fo life. bad move niggas.

 

 

Radiologist --I'm just using this post as an example. I don't know you, or what you do, so don't get bent like I'm talking shit on you personally.

 

 

 

It's posts like this that snitch talks creates. Now it seems the two people he's talking about, are legit snitches and there is paperwork SOMEWHERE (not on here) to prove that.

 

So hypothetically speaking, let's say someone starts a thread saying COPE17 is a snitch. COPE17 hasn't done shit, and is a relatively good guy who's been painting solidly since 1992. What really happened was TRANE1 started painting four months ago, and his shit still looks like this:

 

 

 

So COPE17 says "eh, I can burn this kid. It's pretty obvious" and goes over the kid. But TRANE1 doesn't understand that, and thinks "oh man, this dude has beef with me? What did Cap tell me to do in style wars?" So he gets all Charlie Bronson in his mind, and starts going over COPE17's pieces. So TRANE1, being the 16 year old he is, loves his graffiti forums. He goes on there, talks shit, boasts, talks about how his crew can stomp all the others, etc. COPE17 doesn't do shit with graffiti forums, and has no clue what this kid is saying. So after COPE17 squashes all 24 hollows this kid has put up in his area, TRANE1 goes on the forum and calls COPE17 out as a snitch, a bitch, a toy. Maybe the dude starts lying about COPE17, saying all sorts of shit. All because he's just a young emotionally challenged bitch who doesn't know any better.

 

So that stupid shit then leads to posts like the one I quoted, and people digging for info, finding his Myspace, or his work address. Then you have all sorts of stupid shit popping off, and COPE17 hasn't done anything wrong.

 

Another example, Radiologist's "location" isn't even close to where said snitches are from. You might be from there, so I'm not pointing you out, but so many times kids who have nothing to do with any of this jump in. Say the snitch is from Boston, and you have some dude from Kansas City saying things like "I'll go over all your shit!"

 

It just creates too much room for error. This forum has a pretty good traffic of people, and to be honest, in some situations, I don't trust the maturity of it as a whole to handle certain information.

[the radiologist]

dat nigga colt.45 sound like a real ass nigga.

12 oz mods got served by dat niggas wisdom. NOT hatin' or stirrin' shit up. just whats up.