slave_one Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 Originally posted by Kilo7- no. nope. not correct. and also.... NO. okay, you don't have to be an ass about it. then you are probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr.testical Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 i myself did a few lines one day after school for the first time. then when i was coming down i felt like i needed more. i took more. its always the one more wouldnt hurt feeling. i was doing snow every week for about a 2 months. i stopped once i ran out of money. drugs burnt a hole in my pocket. now i just smoke buddha once every 2 or 3 days. ive been doing good. two years ago i was smoking 3-4 times everyday for close to 2 years. most the days it would only be 1 or 2. i dont know. i know i would be alot better off not doing anything. but i got control now. i know when i can by a oz and make it last a while rather then smoking it in 2 days. i dont know thats all i got to add. good luck to anyone whose trying to quit anything in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 sorry if I came off as an ass but that line of thinking really gets me. if it was just a decision to stop using, then I'd have no sympathy for people who are addicted. I think that a lot of the people out there who have never been in that spot think it's just a matter of having a string will and comitting to quit. Certainly that's the key element to quitting a habit, but there's way more to chemical dependency. Sure people could give up pot smoking without a physical withdrawl, but no one is going to have an easy time walking away from junk with some kind of 'counter-balance'. it's not a matter of being weak, it a matter of the drugs being too strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by dr.testical its always the one more wouldnt hurt feeling. oh god.... and then the sun comes up. and then it's noon. and then you make another call. it's a terrible way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr.testical Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by Kilo7- oh god.... and then the sun comes up. and then it's noon. and then you make another call. it's a terrible way to go. exact same boat there buddy. im glad i got a job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave_one Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by Kilo7- sorry if I came off as an ass but that line of thinking really gets me. that's okay, i'm in the dark when it comes to this subject. i won't say anymore in fear of sounding ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ares Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by dr.testical its always the one more wouldnt hurt feeling. Too many times have I used that line on myself, to try and justify another drink, or hit, ect ect... All I can say, nothing but bad times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.yuck Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 <span style='color:black'>Yeah that comment about 'just one more' is the most on point best description here. I read through this and have noticed that there are obviously a lot of people here that have never dealt with any kind of addiction problem. Im not tryna imply anything with it but it is hard to comprehend when you have never been through it. A lot of people have said that its as easy as just saying "Fuck it! I'm done." The feeling that the drug gives you is one thing. That is what makes it fun and great. But then you have the darker side of the problem which is the withdrawals which affect people differently. There are people that can deal with it and kick everything and then there are those that would rather do anything than deal with the extreme PAIN that comes along with it. I lucked out. I was able to kick a rediculous coke habit. I was able to get smokin trees down to a tolerable level. I still drink like a champ but luckly am not an alcoholic. I can set the bottle down and get my shit handled. My uncle however IS an alcoholic. Even though he doesnt drink anymore he still wants to when ever he gets the chance. He hasnt touched a drop in probably 12 years. After having kicked it for 12 years and he still craves the shit. That sounds a little bit more than an addiction to me. The way I look at it is that an addiction is something that you can kick and never look back at it over a period of time. Maybe a year at the most depending on what the substance is. A disease is something that you live with forever especially when the disease is addiction related. Holler back.</span> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overtime Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 hows the new truck holding up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.yuck Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by onesecondple hows the new truck holding up? Its tight. It has a little pep to it. Ill holler at you on aim tomara. Getting sleepy. Holler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overtime Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by mr.yuck Its tight. It has a little pep to it. Ill holler at you on aim tomara. Getting sleepy. Holler. dope dope, aight, ill catch ya late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xwibxonex Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by MANIK DEK i have tried weed it wasnt my thing i dont believe in drugs i think they are for people who arent comfortable enough with themselves and they have to create an alter ego or world using drugs.i rarely drink and i cant stand people that all they thing about is getting high all the time. Ayo its poison, ecstacy, coke You say its love, it is poison Schools where I learned they should be burned, it is poison Physicians prescripting us medicine which is poison Doctors injecting our infants with the poison Religion misoverstood is poison nas- i have tried typing with no punctuation and it wasn't my thing. Don't partake in grown folks conversation when you have no knowledge on the matter. The people that stand out to you as say, stoners or addicts any other similar drugs, are the same one's that stand out to anybody. But there are millions of responsible adults who recreationally use marijuana and when not high, enjoy life to the fullest as well. I look at myself that way, sure, I often look forward to the weekends because it gives me time to chill out, hang with freinds, travel and get things done, most of the time while high. I did alot of drinking when i was 16 and 17 and had seen enough bullshit to where I just quit. I can;t see myself snorting ir shooting up, but I've been around enough people to know that tons of people just like me fall into that mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26SidedCube Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 I dunno..once you stop having fun with drugs and you're still doing them just for the sake of doing them I think you've got a problem... I made sure to kill that shit once I wasn't constantly around girls and all that. Getting froze, eating pills and going to club and coming home without ass isn't cool no matter how you cut it and most chicks aren't into dudes that still sit around with their boys every other night getting fucked up and talking about weird shit. Not that I don't still eat shrooms a couple times a year around select company or boof wheezy at the end of every night... I just don't wanna be some sort of derelict alcoholic or science fiction geek talking about Plate Techtonics and listening to Kool Keith. ..Not that I don't listen to Kool Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.T Boy Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 im addicted to love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabossnigga Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 ill do it if its organic, fuck artificial drugs like meth and acid that will really take its toll on your brain.:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ounceaddict Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 I personally knew a kid that dropped out of college in his second year cause he drank too much.damn Pai. I knew another kid that worked BEST when he was high, but the problem was he never liked getting high, so he never really got shit done cause he barely ever got high (weed)damn Antonio. I knew a kid that got lung cancer at 22 caus ehe smoked squares since he was 12, a pack a day of newports damn David. I had a girlfriend whos father died from lung cancer from squares damn Chula. I knew a guy whos father was an alcoholic and beat the shit out of this kid damn . This kid ended up running away at 16, I met him cause he's now a pretty up writer damn JD. I knew a guy that got arrested for 1 year for doing coke and then beating his fiance afterwards cause she stripped to support his coke habbit.damn Joe. I kid who was no older than 10 who got tricked into snorting coke, he got so fucked up that he jumped off a roof (or fell) and broke most of his front irregrowable teeth (damn Hybrid). I knew a girl who used to do heroin every weekend while in college for 2 years, she smelled like shit all the time, and blew so much of her parents money that THE parents had her arrested three different times, her life is fucked up, and even I stopped talking to her cause how messed up she was (damn Stash)... all the shit above is true, and is ALL results of addiction, the moral is.......... if they can send a man to the moon then they can make a pill that makes you not adddicted anymore! Fuck Israel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaztlove Posted March 3, 2004 Author Share Posted March 3, 2004 Well, if you want to talk about will Cilone, even though this issues already been addressed, I seriously doubt anyone who's been addicited to methamphetamine was aware of the substances neurotoxicity the first time they used it. The effect it has on your neural pathways or whatever the fuck is up there pretty much insures that you'll want to use the drug for the rest of your life. No one wills that type of shit. When I dealt with all this rehab shit, man! I used to get so fucking pissed at these counselors who had degrees in this or that but had never been where I'd been. In my opinion, the best drug counselors are the ones that dealt with addiction themselves, otherwise, how can they speak on it and have their opinions respected. You've got some guy who was fortunate enough to be able to go to college, and maybe his pops was an alcoholic so he decides he wants to help people with addiction. This is noble and all but, just because he reads the books, takes the courses, gets his piece of paper, he can get a job trying to tell dope fiends and crackheads what the real deal is, when hes never hit rock bottom (no pun intended :crazy: ), hes never been where these people have been, and he's trying to front like he's got this righteous cause... maybe I'm a bit close minded on this one but fuck that sucka, for real... he should've got a degree in business and tried to open up a rehab where he could hire people who knew the real deal. So, yeah, will power might be the only thing that can save you from addiction, but its not as easy as deciding to respond to a post on 12 oz... you live in BPT sucka, thats practically the crack capital of the nation, why don't you get romantic with a basepipe then come back and talk shit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorSeven Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by CILONE/SK HIV and Cancer are both diseases and there are a whole lot more, but substance abuse is not. You might get a chemical reaction in your body that makes it so that your body can't live without it, but it still is self imposed and you can still ween yourself off of it on your own. You cannot do that with most diseases. It all comes down to the choices that people make. They make a choice to put a needle in their arm, to put something up their nose, and the put a bottle to their lips. People with diseases (HIV/Cancer) do not and they can't kick their habit as easy as an addict. Tell someone going through radiation treatment that their disease is on the same level as the crackhead on the corner. ONCE AGAIN- i didnt bring up cancer you did. DROP CANCER...i compared it to HIV...something one can get by choosing to have sex/share needles/ etc... Jesus, its not that hard to comprehend- Anyway, i didnt mention crack heads either- i have been talking about Alcoholism which is a fucking disease- i guess you dont like the proof i put in here either..... if you dont believe that then you'll never know the truth - just whatever you make up inside your head and thats NOT the truth...alcoholism is a disease..i found the proof for you, you still deny it- do whatever you like bro, you're a lost cause for this world being this ignorant.... obviously you have never experienced much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorSeven Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Ah, im far from mad- dont worry about that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dusty Lipschitz Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 theres way too much going on here to devote the time necessary today, BUT cilone/sk- you seem to think that people, or maybe just me, are trying to say that people are trying to use addiction as a scapegoat to avoid repercussions or consequences to actions. not true. if a drunk driver kills someone, they should do the same time as anyone else. if a crackhead gets busted sticking someone up, they should go to jail too. i dont believe that its an excuse as much as it is a reason, theres no excuse for some of addicts behavior, i wouldnt ask for leniency, but i am saying that there is a reason. they have no choice. UNLESS, they get clean, first step, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xwibxonex Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by CILONE/SK Why are you getting so mad? Either way, I can agree to disagree. i respect you for taking a stance dude, but it irk's me that you picked up a degree in psych without learning how to properly spell "themselves" just an observation, i usually hate calling people out in spelling errors, but c'mon now. when i'm failing geometry but can recite any formula or algorithm, i guess i could understand though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xwibxonex Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by Dusty Lipschitz theres way too much going on here to devote the time necessary today, BUT cilone/sk- you seem to think that people, or maybe just me, are trying to say that people are trying to use addiction as a scapegoat to avoid repercussions or consequences to actions. not true. if a drunk driver kills someone, they should do the same time as anyone else. if a crackhead gets busted sticking someone up, they should go to jail too. i dont believe that its an excuse as much as it is a reason, theres no excuse for some of addicts behavior, i wouldnt ask for leniency, but i am saying that there is a reason. they have no choice. UNLESS, they get clean, first step, etc... agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 to piggyback on diusty's comments: I think that if an addict is convicted of a crime, the courts should place them into a MEDICAL center to detox and get clean before the actual sentance starts. Many european nations do it that way because being an addict is seen as a medical problem instead of a criminal problem. If a robber looses his arm in an accident while comitting a crime, he gets to go to a hospital before serving his time. I think it should work that way for junkies too. Mostly I just think that prison would be the worst place to try and get clean. You'd have crazy fits for the first while untill someone intriduces you to that black tar junk they have in there. Then there's no 'rehabilitation' which is the point of prison... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Dazzle Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 This argument has been going on for 3 pages...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by CILONE/SK I have an issue with paying for it through my taxes, but that is another topic. chances are the person who needs the rehab was also paying taxes for many years before they got into the shit. Even if it's as little as 7 cents on the dollar from the age of gumball machines, it still adds up. Again... it's the socialist euros that make this kind of thing work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dusty Lipschitz Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Originally posted by CILONE/SK I can agree on these points, but I still think it is a shame that the victims have to deal with the problems of someone who can't control their addiction. i agree. totally. totally. but, like the topic we are broaching now, jailtime alone, is not the answer. believe it or not, i am all for punishment for crimes. it was harder to deny my addiction when i was facing prison time. one of the ways to force someone to face their addiction is the trail of wreckage that is created. its easy to say its a problem if addicts are just hit with a soft lil slap on the wrist, which i am not advocating for, as opposed to serious consequences for the severity of the crime. i am not trying to take it so far that i think that they should be incarcerated harsher then the average person, but def not softer. Originally posted by Dr. Dazzle This argument has been going on for 3 pages...... you are right. its an easy subject with a simple solution. this should be wrapped up. stay tuned for my next thread where we will be wrapping up that lil hunger and world peace issue in under 2 pages... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 addiction is user-defined. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 that was pretty damn funnt TT http://www.mtv-china.com/avzone/photo/video/8addicted.jpg'> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 ^ how many people say 'I could quit any time'? how many actually can? People like to act like they have control even when they dont. and !@#$%? knows a thing or two about the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 naw, i meant that for each person who uses drugs, that line of casualuser and addict is not in the same place it's not something that can be described that fits every situation in under its umbrella. some people, who haven't used in years, still consider themselves addicts. homeboy is always high and could quit...maybe thats not true, but hey, maybe it is true..and he's just decided that is what he wants out of his life.. some people become crackheads hwo sell their bodies for drugs within weeks of using, and are addicts physically and mentally.. i wasn't saying that a person decides when they are addicted and when they aren't but that addiction has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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