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"but science is itself a religion.. the religion of physics and samsara.. but other conventional religions actually depth into the meta-physical; which supersedes all that is tangible.." Wow that's deep..... Now pass whatever it is you smoking on this way :krunk:

So let me get this straight, we spent billions of dollars and defined our foreign policy in the 70's-80's soley to defeat the "communist scourge" for their undemocratic nature and gulags and whatnot, just so that today we can be undemocratic and the ones running the gulags? Does that mean that in the next decade, after "terrorism" has been killed or surrendered, will we use old Al Qeida terror training camps and suicide belts in the upcoming "War on __________ " ? :haha: To my buddy KABAR, Why do you insist on writing obnoxiously long, jargon filled responses to everything on here. Why not just say "America can do no wrong and everyone can go get fucked" , and leave it at that? I'd disagree with that opinion, but at least you wouldn't have to waste so much time trying to sound smart all the time.

This must be that "democracy" spreading to all the mid-east from iraq that all the neo-cons have been hollering about.

"And people vote on laws all the damn time, if you paid any attention to reality and pulled you head out of the anarchist fanzine from which you order your Von Dutch jeans, you might see that." We live (allegedly) in a REPRESENTATIVE democracy, that means we elect people into office so they can (allegedly) represent us when THEY vote on laws. Sure there are ballot initiaves, such as the one that got O'reilly all hot and bothered, but they are like .00021 percent of all the laws out there. Furthermore, to get a proposed law to be put on a ballot to be decided upon by the voting pubic, it takes an increadible amout of time, money, and people. It's certainly not accurate to say that that rare process is a testament to the democratic pinnacle that this country sells itself as. Take abortion for example, certainly one of the most hotly contested legal issues of our time, but you sure as hell don't see any vote being taken on it, do you? Instead, the issue of abortion will be settled by the five unelected judges of the supreme court., the newest of whom is bushes present to his american-taliban christian base. Thats's how that will be settles, and no one gives a hot monkeys ass about what any of us think. "anarchist fanzine from which you order your Von Dutch jeans, you might see that" Oh please! Anarchist-activist dorks have terrible enough fashion sense on thier own without you trying to act like they would ever be down with some dumb shit like that. Try sticking with the facts, you may just come to enjoy them. You can call me an anarchist though if it makes you feel better. Especially since I am. :king:

As for the arquement as to whether or not "innocents" and regular folks should have left thier city, I'd say it's probably not as simple as some of you want to think. For the week or 2 before the assault on falluja, the US military sealed off the entire area, including of course, the few routes one could take to escape the city. This was done not only to keep out more insurgents, but to also crerry-pick any one leaving they might want to arrest. That's actually a common tactic that the pigs use at demonstrations. They surround a group, demand that people disperse, then arrest the half or so people who listen to them, and them swoop down on the remainding half. Basicly anyone who was in falluja was damned if they do and damned if they didn't. There's also the fact that maybe the residents of falluja didn't want to surrender thier city. would yall surrender your cities if the Iraqi army was over here doing this type of shit to us?

PBS all the way. I'M RICK STEEVES BITCH!

copyright is ( i think) from chicago all them others cats (i think) are from the def jux label, of which el-p of company-flo is a part. please don't e-tease me for knowing this, I didn't know know underground hip-hop was uncool again! damnit, why am I always the last to know these things!

well said

I see people going about thier saturday bidness while I'm trapped at work on this beautiful day! :hatred:

All you need to do to get into a free speach zone is undergo a police search, pay the 10$ free speach permit, swear an oath of alegiance to the fatherland, give a dna sample, ....and not talk.

What a typical loudmouth right wing pussy you are. You call people hippies for fighting against being conscripted into a war that you yourself described as a "Waste of 68K men." So you're saying the US wasted the lives of 68k people and those who fought against becomming one of those thousands of dead are PUSSYS!!! What the fuck is that?

http://santacruz.indymedia.org/newswire/di...17272/index.php Funny pictures of pussy ass recruiters getting mobbed at a school in california. check out the last picture of the prison guard recruiters cowering out the back door. Good Times!

Sadly, I doubt thats the case. Some people just really are that stupid.

the bible, mostly new testament

And thats doing a horrible job too. Very scary. Quoted post [/b] I'll second that. Running the world bank pretty much means waging economic warfare against the world, mostly the poor third world.

"“When I, or people like me, are running the country, you’d better flee, because we will find you, we will try you and we will execute you.” A beautiful quote from Randall Terry, lunatic anti-abortion wingnut. Also the chief shit stirrer-upper in this fiasco. from in these times: Randall Terry Resurfaces Christian right jumps into Terri Schiavo fray By Barbara Miner The so-called “Terri’s Law” signed by Gov. Jeb Bush on October 21 might better be named “Terry’s Law”—in honor of rabid anti-abortionist Randall Terry, who played a key role in mobilizing Christian fundamentalists to pressure Jeb and the Florida legislature to intervene in the heart-wrenching case of Terri Schiavo. The case of the 39-year-old Schiavo, who has been in a persistent vegetative state for 13 years, raises emotionally difficult issues. But participants in the so-called right-to-life movement have little use for complexity, nuance and discussion. Flush with victory on various anti-abortion fronts, the movement has seized on the Schiavo case to rally the troops and push the view that this is just one more example of secular liberals (and Democrats) promoting a culture of death. And Randall Terry—founder of Operation Rescue, pioneer in aggressive harassment of women seeking abortions and an advocate of a “Christian-based” nation—is in the thick of it. National media have generally acknowledged that religious conservatives played a key role in pressuring the Florida legislature to jump into the Schiavo case. But few have publicized the central role of Terry. No less an authority than Bob Schindler, Schiavo’s father, has acknowledged Terry’s crucial support. “Our family asked Randall Terry to come, and we gave him carte blanche to put Terri’s fight in front of the American people,” Schindler said. “He did exactly what we asked, and more. Randall organized vigils and protests, he coordinated the media, he helped us meet with Governor Bush.” Terry was a leader in the anti-abortion movement’s campaign in the ’80s and early ’90s to put clinics out of business through intimidation, harassment and violence. In a 1995 speech, for example, Terry reportedly said of doctors who perform abortions, “When I, or people like me, are running the country, you’d better flee, because we will find you, we will try you and we will execute you.” Following an anti-racketeering lawsuit by the National Organization for Women, he agreed in 1998 to a permanent injunction against any future actions against clinics. But Terry is back. He resurfaced last summer in Ponte Vedra Beach in northern Florida and formed a new organization, The Society for Truth and Justice. His first campaign was against the U.S. Supreme Court’s 6-3 decision striking down anti-sodomy laws, and he launched an “Impeach the Twisted Six” campaign with a rally in Jacksonville on August 9. Turnout was low, however. But then came the Schiavo case and a ready-made platform for Terry’s demagoguery. Regardless of how the courts may rule in the Schiavo case, Terry has warned that the anti-abortion movement will continue its campaign. “Life is life,” he said. But in an era of increasingly sophisticated medical technology, such slogans do little to answer complicated questions. Many people, even conservatives, have taken the lesson from the Schiavo case that everyone should have a living will. But if religious extremists get their way, living wills may not be worth the paper they are written on. When living will legislation first gained support in the ’70s and ’80s, the anti-abortion movement was adamantly opposed to demands for “death with dignity.” As the National Right to Life notes on its Web site (http://www.nrlc.org), living wills are used “to condition public acceptance of assisted suicide, mercy killing, and euthanasia.” By and large, religious extremists lost their fight against living wills legislation. But Schiavo’s case appears to have re-energized the movement’s opposition to living wills, in the guise of opposition to euthanasia and assisted suicide. Father Frank Pavone, director of Priests for Life, an extremist anti-abortion group involved in the Schiavo case, calls living wills “unnecessary and dangerous for patients, doctors and society.” And R. Albert Mohler, Jr., in an article for the Baptist Press News on October 20, warned that the Schiavo case is proof “that the culture of death is gaining new ground” and that “what has been styled as ‘voluntary’ euthanasia is now turning into involuntary euthanasia.” Legislation currently before the Wisconsin Senate allows doctors, nurses, pharmacists and other medical personnel who morally disagree with the guidelines regarding feeding and hydration tubes to ignore living wills and advance directives. The legislation already has passed the Republican-controlled Assembly and is likely to pass the Republican-controlled Senate. How this will all play out is unclear. But history has shown that Republicans are more than willing to align with the likes of Randall Terry if it suits their political purposes. In an election year, anything is possible. http://www.inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=462_0_2_0_C

I was gonna reply " GIVE HER THE ELECTRIC CHAIR!" not just because I'm an asshole, but also because this whole fiasco is because of those hypocrit right-wing "pro-life/pro-death penalty" assholes. These people making such a big deal over this poor ladys "life" are first to cheerlead for meaningless wars and cut social services at home. Stoopid christian, taliban wannabees!

"The guy didnt even mouth off to them, he spilt someones drink, apologised and offered to replace it, and was murdered." Thats sounds about like what I read. For that I say fuck the people who did it, thats some uncalled for bully shit. "At the end of the day, the IRA are still a terrorist orgainisation and they have close links to the Sinn Fein political party" "How their politicians have a foot to stand on when they openly admit links to an organised crime/terrorist syndicate is beyond me." I don't know about that terrorist shit. "Terrorist" is generally a term right wingers and politicians use as an excuse to explain why they should be allowed to do all sorts of terrible shit in the name of national security.It doesnt seem to have too much of a usefull meaning anymore. And I really don't care about the "crime syndicate" label either. If I had a fondness for law enforcement I wouldn't be on a web site dedicated to "vandalism". I'd be happy to say that the IRA have done bogus shit for a noble cause and seem to have a little too much time on thier hands lately.

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I think it's a response to the IRA recently killing this guy who mouthed off to one of them in a bar. The guys sisters have had a vendetta against the IRA ever since and are calling for people who know anything about the case to speak up. I assume the graffitti is the IRA advising people to keep thier mouths shut.

This is the debating equivilant of "I know you are but what am I". Hitler cooked millions of people in ovens, does that mean that the US would've been justified in torching all the german immigrants during WW2?

Oh and this is the perfect time for Bush to start the draft.... after the election. And it appears that the draft age has been changed to 18 to 34 males and females. And yes we are short on troops. We have had stop loss enacted, IRR pulled up, retirees returned, the first amputee just returned to Iraq from Fort Carson, all of the branches are not meeting recruitment goals. Passing this off on the poor and uninformed. That's fucked up. I am poor. What the fuck you think i'm doing in the military dickhead. I oughta kill you myself. And they are not going to nuke the middle east for 1) there is oil, for 2) that would set off nuclear war. Damn wtf knuckle game.... Quoted post I'm not passing off shit. Im just saying that the people who live in america are, for the most part, ignorant and uninformed. And suprise suprise, the people who risk thier lifes in the military for garbage pay are IGNORANT to be doing so, or just plain brainwashed patriot zombies!

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agreed.