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"but science is itself a religion.. the religion of physics and samsara.. but other conventional religions actually depth into the meta-physical; which supersedes all that is tangible.." Wow that's deep..... Now pass whatever it is you smoking on this way :krunk:

So let me get this straight, we spent billions of dollars and defined our foreign policy in the 70's-80's soley to defeat the "communist scourge" for their undemocratic nature and gulags and whatnot, just so that today we can be undemocratic and the ones running the gulags? Does that mean that in the next decade, after "terrorism" has been killed or surrendered, will we use old Al Qeida terror training camps and suicide belts in the upcoming "War on __________ " ? :haha: To my buddy KABAR, Why do you insist on writing obnoxiously long, jargon filled responses to everything on here. Why not just say "America can do no wrong and everyone can go get fucked" , and leave it at that? I'd disagree with that opinion, but at least you wouldn't have to waste so much time trying to sound smart all the time.

This must be that "democracy" spreading to all the mid-east from iraq that all the neo-cons have been hollering about.

"And people vote on laws all the damn time, if you paid any attention to reality and pulled you head out of the anarchist fanzine from which you order your Von Dutch jeans, you might see that." We live (allegedly) in a REPRESENTATIVE democracy, that means we elect people into office so they can (allegedly) represent us when THEY vote on laws. Sure there are ballot initiaves, such as the one that got O'reilly all hot and bothered, but they are like .00021 percent of all the laws out there. Furthermore, to get a proposed law to be put on a ballot to be decided upon by the voting pubic, it takes an increadible amout of time, money, and people. It's certainly not accurate to say that that rare process is a testament to the democratic pinnacle that this country sells itself as. Take abortion for example, certainly one of the most hotly contested legal issues of our time, but you sure as hell don't see any vote being taken on it, do you? Instead, the issue of abortion will be settled by the five unelected judges of the supreme court., the newest of whom is bushes present to his american-taliban christian base. Thats's how that will be settles, and no one gives a hot monkeys ass about what any of us think. "anarchist fanzine from which you order your Von Dutch jeans, you might see that" Oh please! Anarchist-activist dorks have terrible enough fashion sense on thier own without you trying to act like they would ever be down with some dumb shit like that. Try sticking with the facts, you may just come to enjoy them. You can call me an anarchist though if it makes you feel better. Especially since I am. :king:

As for the arquement as to whether or not "innocents" and regular folks should have left thier city, I'd say it's probably not as simple as some of you want to think. For the week or 2 before the assault on falluja, the US military sealed off the entire area, including of course, the few routes one could take to escape the city. This was done not only to keep out more insurgents, but to also crerry-pick any one leaving they might want to arrest. That's actually a common tactic that the pigs use at demonstrations. They surround a group, demand that people disperse, then arrest the half or so people who listen to them, and them swoop down on the remainding half. Basicly anyone who was in falluja was damned if they do and damned if they didn't. There's also the fact that maybe the residents of falluja didn't want to surrender thier city. would yall surrender your cities if the Iraqi army was over here doing this type of shit to us?