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justifying ignorance.

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by seeking, Jan 27, 2006.

  1. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 233
    so im watching some ridiculous show right now called 'quite frankly'. it's some psudo-round table discussion, lead by a guy who's name i forget, but who comes across as a 2006 montel williams, trying to be angry and black, but being just a bit too manicured and proper. this is the first time i've seen it, so i can't be sure if it always deals with 'black issues', but todays discussion is about some comments phil jackson (pro basketball coach) made about many of the players presenting themselves as 'rappers' or 'thugs' and not dressing properly when giving press conferences and representing their teams. this fellas guests are roy jones jr (who is dumb as a fucking rock), ed lover, who looks creepy as hell, armstrong williams (playing the role of out of touch 'house nigger'), snoop dog, playing...well, snoop dog, and a pre-taped segment with master P.

    first i'd like to comment on the fact that i'm constantly amazed at how ignorant and unelequent 'rappers' tend to be. for people who make their living playing with words, the vast majority of them can't put a proper sentence together to save their fucking life. they can't respond to questions without propping up their answers with 15 current rap catch phrases and they're so busy talking in circles that they rarely make any kind of valid point. i don't know how you can be a business mogul, expect to be taken seriously, and still not be able to pronounce 'ask', or know which verb tense to use in which sentence. this is elementary school shit we're talking about, it's not rocket science.

    anyway, the issue is that the nba is upset because instead of wearing suits, or 'respectable' clothes and presenting themselves in a professional manner, many players are acting like they're selling crack on the corner. apparently this is a complete affront to the black community according to the majority of the panel, save for williams and master p. who said bluntly 'that's your boss, the guy who signs your check, asking you to follow his dress code, that's all there is to it'. those weren't his exact words, but i captured the jist. ed lover claimed that 'lebron james is a hip hop baby, he never knew a time when it didn't exist. he is being the only thing he knows how to be'. apparently in ed's mind that was some sort of justification. by that same logic, one can assume ed would find it similarly 'racist' to fire lebron from his new job at mcdonalds for showing up in his old burger king uniform, because apparently black people are unable to addapt to such monumental changes as the 'dress shirt' and his associate 'mr. tie'

    i know i've devoted a whole lot of words and kind of presented this as some sort of seminar, but the point is really this: why the fuck are people so retarded? why is this even an issue? if there was a rash of white basketball players showing up to press conferences in cut off shirts, mud stained blue jeans and cowboy hats, i'm certain the nba would be just as likely to take action. why is it percieved as 'racist' to expect your employe to conduct themself in a professional manner when they're representing your business (and being payed millions of dollars a year to do so)?

    on a slightly related topic, many of the guests brought up the fact that the media never covers the positive aspects of hip hop. the rappers themselves claim that they need to talk about the violence and drugs that go on in black communities, because otherwise white america would simply ignore their existence. then in the same breath, they lambast the media for only talking about the violence and drugs in the black community. obviously no one can deny that the media does tend to focus on those things, but since that is pretty much unarguable, it kind of destroys the basis of their entire reason for existing, doesn't it? and furthermore, when pressed for these 'positive' aspects that are being left out, which incidentally are also being left out of most hip hop albums themselves, the only answer i've ever heard given is that they themselves were able to move out of the ghetto and provide a better life for their family. this is indeed a wonderful thing, but it's tantamount to complaining that the media does not give positive coverage to white racist business owners, who provide working opportunities for other white people.

    ok, i think that's about all. discuss or something.
     
  2. Tyler Durden

    Tyler Durden Veteran Member

    Joined: Nov 18, 2001 Messages: 5,263 Likes Received: 40
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    I had a serious reply all typed out, but this probably covers the jist of it....

    Maybe I'll actually post a serious reply later.
     
  3. MEROJUANA

    MEROJUANA Senior Member

    Joined: May 23, 2002 Messages: 2,452 Likes Received: 2
    THAT SHIT MASTER P SAID ABOUT "THIS IS THE GUY THAT SIGNS YOUR CHECKS" IS PRETTY TRUE, BUT REALISTICALLY, WHO CARES WHAT THESE NIGGAS WEAR? THE NIGGAS ARE PLAYING BASKETBALL THEY ARENT "WORKING BASKETBALL" THIS SHIT SHOULDNT EVEN BE AN ISSUE. IF SOME PRIME MINISTER DUDE WENT TO THE U.N. WITH A DURAG ON, THEN NIGGAS WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM, IF BILL GATES WENT TO A PRESS CONFERENCE TO UNVEIL SOME GROUNDBREAKING SOFTWARE WITH A WHITE TEE AND UPTOWNS ON THEN THERE WOULD BE A PROBLEM. HONESTLY WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT KOBE IS WEARING AT HIS UNNECESSARY PRESS CONFERENCE WHERE HE'S TELLING ME THAT MINNESOTAS DEFENSE WAS GREAT AND THAT HE'LL BE COMING OFF THE BENCH TUESDAY? I THINK ITS A JOKE THAT NIGGAS WHO PLAY A GAME FOR A LIVING ARE EXPECTED TO DRESS A CERTAIN WAY AND HAVE A DRESS CODE AND BLAH BLAH BLAH...THAT SHIT IS STUPID B. THERES A TIME AND A PLACE FOR EVERYTHING AND BASKETBALL ISNT A PLACE FOR A SUIT AND TIE. IF ANYTHING, NIGGAS SHOULD DO PRESS CONFERENCES IN FULL UNIFORM IF THEY WANNA "REPRESENT THE ORGANIZATION". PHIL JACKSON IS AN IDIOT B. NIGGAS JUST WANNA MAKE A BUNCH OF GHETTO PEOPLE NOT LOOK GHETTO SO AS TO NOT FRIGHTEN MIDDLE AMERICA...OK THIS GHETTO NIGGA IS MAKING 7 MILLION A YEAR AND YOU PUT HIM IN A SUIT AND TIE BUT GUESS WHAT, HE'S STILL GHETTO. NEXT THING YOU KNOW MUTHAFUCKAS WILL WANNA MAKE THE SHOOTAROUND A BLACK TIE AFFAIR. BOTTOM LINE, BASKETBALL IS A GAME, AT LEAST TO ME. SO THAT DRESS CODE SHIT GOES OUT THE WINDOW. HOLLA AT ME.





    -JELLYYYYYY
     
  4. the shitz

    the shitz New Jack

    Joined: Apr 2, 2002 Messages: 64 Likes Received: 0
    Quite frankly they're stupid.
     
  5. theGOON

    theGOON Member

    Joined: Jun 6, 2005 Messages: 502 Likes Received: 3
    all i have to say is incredibly racist, so i'm just not going to say anything. fucking white people.
     
  6. Brewster Baker

    Brewster Baker 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Sep 11, 2003 Messages: 13,008 Likes Received: 523
    geto boys lyrics


    iggas and flies, niggas and flies
    Niggas and motherfuckin’ flies

    Niggas and flies always in some shit
    Nigga can’t stay outta shit for shit
    Nigga robbed a bank- now everybody know
    Cause nigga had a Rolls Royce clipping through the ghetto
    Nigga bought his ho a fur coat the next week
    And them loss had his ass walking butt naked down the street
    You want drama nigga? I gots drama
    What about these niggas drive Beamers living wit they mamas?
    And what about these tennis-shoe tasting bitches-
    Fucking athletes to obtain the riches
    But they hate it when a nigga call ‘em hoes and tramps and sluts
    But if the shoe fits- lace it up
    Niggas ain’t good for shit but eatin’ barbeque
    And holding other niggas back- that’s all we do
    Niggas annoy me like flies
    If it was up to me, I’d burn a gang of you hoes alive

    Niggas and flies, niggas and flies
    Niggas and motherfuckin’ flies

    I went to the million man march- it was all good
    A bunch of niggas standin’ up for they manhood
    But niggas are so idiotic-
    They still found something fucked up to say about it
    But that’s a nigga fo yo ass, g
    Howl at a nigga if you lookin’ for some negativity
    Cause niggas got plenty of it- I think they love it
    Clarence Thomas- you a motherfuckin’ puppet
    Ass-kissin’ politicians ain’t shit to me
    And motherfuck the NAACP
    Motherfuckin’ cowards, suckin’ up to the sponsors
    And couldn’t give a fuck about the black johnstons
    So called black radio stations
    Runnin’ they flap- talkin’ bout they don’t play rap
    But rap pay the bills, motherfucka
    And keeps a nigga out of jail, cocksucka
    Niggas get on top and niggas hate it
    Cause niggas can’t stand to see another nigga make it
    So how the fuck are niggas coming together to take the first step
    When every nigga out to sell-

    Niggas and flies, niggas and flies
    Niggas and motherfuckin’ flies
     
  7. MOOGLE?

    MOOGLE? 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: May 23, 2000 Messages: 11,491 Likes Received: 500
    fuck that ..i'd rock a teletubby suit naked inside with the ass and crotch cut out if i was getting paid that much..

    this is the third time i've ever agreed with seeking completely.




    not sure if its cause i was blazed this afternoon but i had
    the o brother where art thow soundrack on with the lazerus song playing and the next song on my playlist was bone thugs in harmony..
    it made me think.. but my conclusion from this contemplation was lost cause i was really fucked up..
     
  8. KING BLING

    KING BLING Guest

    The bottom line is this:

    1) Most rappers model themselves as buisness people but really, come on, they just have money...

    2) Basketball players should have respect for profesionalism and the oppurtunity they have, not pulling a T.O. and talking shit and wiling out. On your own, dress like you want to, when you're at work making a few mill a year you look retarded wearing anything but a suit.

    3) Lets put it out there: Poor black people might spend money on big hats and throw backs - but the white proffesional buys the $3000+ a year seats and more in advertising...know where your check comes from and act accordingly. If you want to keep it real go play ball with a milk crate hoop...

    Even when Charles Barkley was spitting on children he was atleast wearing a suit...
     
  9. Tough Love

    Tough Love Senior Member

    Joined: Oct 10, 2004 Messages: 1,894 Likes Received: 2
    its all a presentation of your self. If you wanna look like a slob and not nicely dressed, thats ur business, its not like its something new. honestly who gives a fuck, its basketball. i mean i could understand some more prestiges sports where u have to worry about being respectful looking, clean cut, and professional, but this shit is basketball. who cares
     
  10. John Birch

    John Birch Member

    Joined: Apr 14, 2004 Messages: 747 Likes Received: 0
    basketball players are entertainers. PERIOD. They work for a company. If they don't like it, they can go work somewhere else for way less money and a weaker union...

    and btw, working as a sports enetertainer means you have to do PR. If your employer demands that you dress a certain way for PR, then thats it. I mean, when Officer Bill showed up to school to teach crime shit, he didn't show up wearing his Hells Angels colors? No. he showed up in his cop uniform..Same thing...
     
  11. CACashRefund

    CACashRefund 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Oct 8, 2004 Messages: 14,171 Likes Received: 272
    The man is always keeping a brother down...
     
  12. Milton

    Milton Senior Member

    Joined: May 21, 2003 Messages: 2,253 Likes Received: 0
    I see that the outline post style has caught on. Yes!

    Here's how I view the situation:

    1) They are at work when they're doing a press conference. This is as much their job as shooting, dribbling and rebounding. Basketball is a business. While the press conferences are probably unnecessary, people want to see that shit. When you're going to an occassion where professional dress is expected, like a press conference, it makes sense to dress appropriately. I think they should wear a uniform though, that makes more sense than a suit.

    2) I understand "keepin' it real" and not "talking like a white person" and whatever, but lets be serious: in the United States we speak English. As affluent black members of society it would make sense for you to speak English also. Historically, black activists and scholars have mastered the English language because it brought force to what they had to say. Now that shit is "not keeping it real." Whatever, it has a negative impact on the communities those people came from. If Snoop wasn't talking all this "Shizzle, Izzle, Bizzle" nonsense, imagine how much easier it would be for inner city youth to get jobs.

    3) I like puffy coats. I wouldn't go to a press conference in a wife beater and a chain with a puffy coat on...
     
  13. KING OF HELL

    KING OF HELL Guest


    yeah contracts in exess of 10 million dollars for playing basketball, are really "keepin' a brotha down"

    :rolleyes:
     
  14. Brewster Baker

    Brewster Baker 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Sep 11, 2003 Messages: 13,008 Likes Received: 523

    yeah contracts in exess of 10 million dollars for playing basketball, are really "keepin' a brotha down"

    :rolleyes:
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    yeah but after all the retarded cars, chains and shit he prolly gets like minimum wage haha
     
  15. PUMPKIN ESCOBAR

    PUMPKIN ESCOBAR Senior Member

    Joined: Oct 19, 2004 Messages: 2,443 Likes Received: 34
    This shit is fucking stupid. Whats the big deal with leaving the throwbacks and chains in the closet for when you go to "work". You have the entire off season to get your stunt on.
     
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