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some of the people killed were journalists that were simply doing their jobs: putting their lives at risk in order to report on war. Iraq is a very dangerous place for journalists: from 2003- 2009, 139 journalists were killed while doing their work.

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Iraq is a dangerous place for everyone.

 

so this justifies what happened in your opinion i'm assuming?

 

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this is just another example of why we shouldn't be engaged in these wars. this is one exposed event, out of many that we probably have no idea about. these very same things are probably occurring right now in the other areas of the world that we have initiated war in. initiated meaning; we have sent our troops to these foreign countries to fight these wars.

 

and the blood is on our hands too. the innocent people who died in this video is just as much our fault for allowing our elected officials and our government to be engaged in what occurred in Iraq, and is now occurring in Afghanistan, and Pakistan with drones and other unmanned vehicles of war. and we do NOTHING, it's disgusting. instead we have hypocritical movements in this country like the fucking "Tea Party" that would rather demonstrate against health care legislation and anti-socialism rather then just saying no to the entire system and all of these pointless wars.

 

i am so fucking sick of it. the soldiers in this video are an embarrassment to the bravery and courage of American's who fought REAL battles in the past and died for greater causes. they sit up in their control panels murdering unarmed innocent people from thousands of miles away like they are playing some kind of fucking video-game, and have the nerve to call it a BATTLE. but i don't even hate them for it, i feel SORRY for those who have become so desensitized to the killing that their only response to seeing dead children is "Well, they shouldn't have brought their kids into a BATTLE." you fucking buffoons,it wasn't a battle it was a slaughter!

 

man... anyone who justifies this shit is just sick, and what bothers me the most is i know for a fact this is nothing compared to the real atrocities that occur in the world.

 

war is digusting, fuck you if you make a living off of it.

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Yeah, that's what I said, the killing of these journalists is justified.

 

And out of that you can also assume that I think jouralists SHOULD, be killed.

 

And out of that you can assume that it was ME who killed these journalists.

 

 

 

 

Let me know when you're capable of having a serious conversation....

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so we're not fighting a real battle or you disagree with who/what/why we're fighting?

because it sure as shit feels like a real battle.

 

 

and i am making a living off of it. so i guess fuck me.

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Man this is total bullshit.

 

How can a helicopter orbiting kilometers over head, using a black and white camera, NOT tell that the slings over those guys shoulders were cameras!? Lets forget the fact that they were walking with a group of men with RPG's and AK's, that part can looked over TOTALLY. And then the Apache mows everyone in the group down?! What is that shit?! It could have easily used it 30mm cannon to snipe only the guys with the weapons.\

 

BABY KILLERS!

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Yeah, that's what I said, the killing of these journalists is justified.

 

And out of that you can also assume that I think jouralists SHOULD, be killed.

 

And out of that you can assume that it was ME who killed these journalists.

 

 

 

 

Let me know when you're capable of having a serious conversation....

 

and out of that you can assume that my entire response was directed completely at you. :lol:

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so we're not fighting a real battle or you disagree with who/what/why we're fighting?

because it sure as shit feels like a real battle.

 

 

and i am making a living off of it. so i guess fuck me.

 

so we're not fighting a real battle or you disagree with who/what/why we're fighting?

because it sure as shit feels like a real battle.

 

 

and i am making a living off of it. so i guess fuck me.

 

i'm speaking on that exact situation, you call that a battle? that was a battle to you?

 

yea... i guess fuck you then. just like you probably think, "fuck these dudes who got killed" anyway. doesn't matter to me, doesn't matter to you. i'm sure you think it was necessary, or unfortunate but it is what it is. so yea, fuck you and anyone who thinks that way. i let my opinion be known.

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and out of that you can assume that my entire response was directed completely at you. :lol:

 

Oh dude....:rolleyes:

 

You directly quoted me and remarked on your assumptions of my entirely general comment, which is all I replied to. Now it's my turn to make assumptions regarding the severity of your dyslexia.

 

 

You're just another kid who thinks he understands the world and that your anger at it matters.

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Oh dude....:rolleyes:

 

You directly quoted me and remarked on your assumptions of my entirely general comment, which is all I replied to. Now it's my turn to make assumptions regarding the severity of your dyslexia.

 

 

You're just another kid who thinks he understands the world and that your anger at it matters.

 

you see this line here:

 

 

so this justifies what happened in your opinion i'm assuming?

 

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that's about where my response directly to you ends fyi.

 

and i'm not a kid, your just another guy who looks down on the younger generation because you think you are all the more wiser.

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Yeah ya fucking dope, that's all I was replying to! Are you daft??!!

 

No, don't look down on younger people at all, just the idiots who come on to the internet spitting fire and morality all over the place without being able to back it up with a considered argument.

 

Anyway, this is silly, you're an idiot and you leave little doubt of that each time you post, so, have at it angry child.

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oh ok let me get out my sourced materials for you to argue why we shouldn't be killing innocent civilians in a country we invaded for absolutely no legitimate reason and is actually a violation of the very constitution which our elected officials are supposed to uphold. hold on, i'll get right to that for you.

 

get off my dick. you know nothing about me, period. you call me a kid, i'm old enough to be the people in that video shooting those men. i don't consider myself moral or righteous either, you don't know me. i'm just as much imperfect as anyone else is, but i don't go around enrolling myself to serve the public now do i. i get shit from the majority of you on this forum, insult none of you, but clearly you all have no problem personally attacking me for my opinions and posts. shows your character, so i could care less what you or anyone thinks about me. trust it.

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Are you crying?

 

yea i'm crying now. you got me bro, i'm sobbing over here in the corner because i can't take you calling me an idiot.

 

and i'm the child. :rolleyes:

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oh ok let me get out my sourced materials for you to argue why we shouldn't be killing innocent civilians in a country we invaded for absolutely no legitimate reason and is actually a violation of the very constitution which our elected officials are supposed to uphold. hold on, i'll get right to that for you.

 

get off my dick. you know nothing about me, period. you call me a kid, i'm old enough to be the people in that video shooting those men. i don't consider myself moral or righteous either, you don't know me. i'm just as much imperfect as anyone else is, but i don't go around enrolling myself to serve the public now do i. i get shit from the majority of you on this forum, insult none of you, but clearly you all have no problem personally attacking me for my opinions and posts. shows your character, so i could care less what you or anyone thinks about me. trust it.

 

dude this is 12oz. what did u expect, to be treated with dignity and respect? :lol:

 

oh and there was a legitimate reason to invade iraq silly, we needed the precious resource that layeth under their feet. our economy is based upon fossil fuel.

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so we're not fighting a real battle or you disagree with who/what/why we're fighting?

because it sure as shit feels like a real battle.

 

 

and i am making a living off of it. so i guess fuck me.

 

I got no problem with you Fist whatsoever, I think you are a cool guy.

 

But we started the fight not them and I do completely disagree with who/what and why we are fighting there and I stand by my previous comment in another thread that the people that shot at these iraqis and laughed at their corpses deserve to be tried under criminal courts and sentanced for cold blooded murder.

 

Those people had more rights to walk around with RPGs and AK47s defending their country that was illegally occupied over any american or UK troops that are in that country with guns.

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i have no problems with that--i also disagree with who/what/why we are fighting. not to mention how.

 

war is fucked. not that that justifies any atrocities, but as long as humans are dumb enough to war then we will face the unfortunate consequences of war. to nitpick (its unfortunate that death on this scale can be scaled down to that) each accident of war, each wrongdoing in hindsight will not solve the problem, nor will trying US soldiers for war crimes bring justice to those who died.

 

the civilians rights' to defend their nation are absolutely there--but that doesn't mean that our guys didn't follow their ROE.

 

as to laughing at fucked up shit during war. you bet. the first time your truck gets hit by a suicide bomber and you hear over the radio 'oh, uh, not an ied, we found a head.' you'll laugh. you have to. war sucks. death sucks. violence usually does. do what you can to cope when you find yourself in a shitty situation.

 

zig--you're fucking retarded. go away.

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but as long as humans are dumb enough to war then we will face the unfortunate consequences of war.

 

Just keep yourself in the gene pool and we shouldn't have a problem

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A report released May 4, 2007 by the Pentagon

 

According to the survey, conducted by the Office of the Surgeon General of the US Army Medical Command, just 47 percent of soldiers and 38 percent of marines agreed that civilians should be treated with dignity and respect. Only 55 percent of soldiers and 40 percent of marines said they would report a unit member who had killed or injured "an innocent noncombatant."

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zig--you're fucking retarded. go away.

 

 

Pretty sure Zig was talking about the bigger players. Not so much the grunts on the ground.

 

Not sure about this, but I doubt you have stakes in Blackwater or Halliburton.

 

This like I've said before is just another example as to why we need to pack our shit up, and head home.

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these dudes were chilling with guys with rpgs and aks apparently. should of had better friends.

 

stupid logic.

 

Pretty sure Zig was talking about the bigger players. Not so much the grunts on the ground.

 

ding ding ding.

 

i have no problems with that--i also disagree with who/what/why we are fighting. not to mention how.

 

war is fucked. not that that justifies any atrocities, but as long as humans are dumb enough to war then we will face the unfortunate consequences of war. to nitpick (its unfortunate that death on this scale can be scaled down to that) each accident of war, each wrongdoing in hindsight will not solve the problem, nor will trying US soldiers for war crimes bring justice to those who died.

 

the civilians rights' to defend their nation are absolutely there--but that doesn't mean that our guys didn't follow their ROE.

 

as to laughing at fucked up shit during war. you bet. the first time your truck gets hit by a suicide bomber and you hear over the radio 'oh, uh, not an ied, we found a head.' you'll laugh. you have to. war sucks. death sucks. violence usually does. do what you can to cope when you find yourself in a shitty situation.

 

zig--you're fucking retarded. go away.

 

no i agree with you, the soldiers shouldn't be charged for war crimes. the political leadership should. war IS fucked, thats why we shouldn't allow our leadership to lead us into illegal wars.

 

i don't hold those soldiers responsible and i dont hate them for it. i think what they did was disgusting and cowardly, but i also understand that those soldiers are being resent into iraq on third, fourth, fifth, sixth tours. they've watched their friends and fellow soldiers die or get injured in battle, and they have seen and dealt with things i probably can't imagine. it makes sense to me that they are completely desensitized to the killings. look at what our soldiers are being used for and turned into.

 

this isn't the only video that has surfaced where American soldiers are recorded doing things the general public frowns upon. there are videos of people throwing and killing puppies, beating iraqi children and laughing / enjoying it, shooting civilians in the back for no reason, showing up to buildings where they know reporters are and drive by shooting while hysterical laughing. these are the things that are recorded. this is reminiscent of the vietnam war where our soldiers were being used to do the same things, as well as the addition of the drugs and other corruption going on. our soldiers are being turned into this, and then they are being sent home to become police here in America, while the good soldiers who have a head on their shoulders get put on PTSD meds and have their guns taken from them.

 

and for what, give me valid reasons what these wars are accomplishing for me and you.

 

so im retarded because i think the mother fuckers who profiteer off of these wars are scum? yea im a child who think he understands the world... no your just an ignorant asshole who accepts the way things are because "it is what it is" and "war is fucked." its the same attitude as people who accept that politicians lie to us and there is nothing we can do about it. maybe there isnt anything i can do about it personally, but at least i can say... fuck you. fuck you if you justify this. fuck this criminal government that is sending our honorable troops into these situations and turning them into these kinds of people. and fuck you if you defend these mother fuckers who do this to our country.

 

here, watch it for yourself:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3776750618788792499#

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