~KRYLON2~ Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Why is everybody so afraid of death? its the only thing we are promised. Why not train your mind to live in the present moment and be happy and compassionate. I understand being prepared, but what neurosis are you under to cause you to have such paranoia. Youre mind is winning its war with you & youre ego, you could live a much happier life if you stoped running away from death and lived in each moment and each breath. All youre reality, you, youre family,this country, isnt real, its a cluster of emotions and cravings that only lead to suffering and endless cycle of death and rebirth, live in this moment always, breath, and treat all sentient beings with kindness and compassion. So when or if the shit goes down, it will just be a another breath in another moment. i agree, check the signature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckfiftyexports Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 The thing I find with Survivalism is everyone seems to think this collapse of society will happen so quickly that riots and all kinds of bad things will ensue. Who is to say that it all isnt swinging into play now but things will change so gradually that we all adjust naturally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 We'll probably just grow old and die. Danger will be eliminated, mistakes will be glazed over, revolution and violence will be a thing of the past, and we'll all die of boredom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 the thing is buckfifty, no one knows what is going to go down. its sort of like the old saying... about someone wanting to believe in God and find out there is is not God, than to not believe in God then find out there is... same with preparations. its better to be prepared and not need to use any of it, than to not be prepared and need survival stockpiles. besides, you can always eat the food, and shoot the ammo. its life as normal, just you dont need to go to the grocery store as often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckfiftyexports Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 I dont dissagree, It is better to be prepared! How prepared though? Next time your walking through the city maybe you should bring an umbrella incase someone spits on you from an office rooftop! A year worth of food cant hurt, its probably wise, the umbrella cant hurt either, whos to say what is excessive or not... Smell me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 oh, i totally understand. one mans 'good enough' is another mans 'shit, i dont have anything.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 paranoia will control ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 alright i brought it back in january, im bringing back again. now that i've read 'patriots, surviving the coming collapse' and started actually doing more instead of talking and thinking alot, i feel i need to read this again for the 100th time. just skip over it if you are bored with it, i just wanted to tag this thread so i can find it easier. not that the talk of old posters in the other thread had anything to do with it....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the district Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Genius thread... Makes me want to start shooting clays again actually.Montana is an amazing state AOD! How about being able to make a biologically sterile room? Like a paint booth. Dont know how you would change the filters though. I too enjoy living off the land and gardening is an excellent subject everyone should learn. I'm not much of a hunter, though i do know how to skin animals and what not. 4 years ago i worked on a house that was off the line. One of the most impressive things was a clear cylinder through the center of the house with reflectors to warm the water inside. A natural water heater it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 its taken many years for me to get interested in solar energy, etc for off grid power. my set up is stored diesel and fuel oil and generator. i hear ya, i wouldnt mind visiting montana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanfullofretards Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 This is a pretty interesting topic, and I hope this thread stays alive. It's good to be prepared for whatever should come your way but I was thinking if you invested all this time and money into guns, preserved food, gieger counters, first aid, fresh water etc etc wouldn't you start hoping shit really does hit the fan? Almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy, then again at the same time its just another form of life insurance. P.S. I want to hear your opinions on what type of gun I should get for a little home self defense. Preferably cheap/reliable handgun or rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 i can think of a ton of things to add to this wilderness survival kit building http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2721455542891667646&q=wilderness+survival&total=594&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 force of one (don't know about this, but it looks interesting) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8452204152153286913&q=wilderness+survival+duration%3Along&total=26&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 whats your budget. if you could only have one gun..... save money, do what you gotta do, but make it an m14/m1a. best battle rifle of all time. accurate. high rate of fire. can do just about any job you need to. can make hits with no prob from 25 yards to 500-800 if you know what you are doing. there is no questions about stopping a threat with a .308 if you want one handgun, just get a glock 23. is just about guaranteed not to fail for the average user. for pure simple home defense, if money is tight and you cant get either of the above, go with a 12 gauge remington 870 (get the 18" model) or the equivalent mossberg 500. a good light would be the next step to attach to it. for the rifle or handgun you want aleast a couple thousand rounds. i wont buy a gun unless i can afford to get 3000K rounds for it at time of purchase. i'll save up, or maybe start stocking up slowly on the ammo i would need. another thing to consider... body armor. it might be better to have 1 gun and 1 body armor vest instead of 2 guns and no vest. i recently stumbled on an interceptor vest (USMC issue) on a gun board that a marine was selling for 200 bucks it will stop 9mm for sure and .44 mag even though the military doesnt test .44 mag on them. and that is without the type III plates i have to stick in it, which will stop .308. bulletproofme.com is the best place to shop. you'll also note the smoking good deal i got on that interceptor vest when you see what they go for on the bpme.com site 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 AOD: what about the defender shotgun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 probably right on par with the 870-'s or 590's. but dont have personal experience with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 probably right on par with the 870-'s or 590's. but dont have personal experience with them. as long as they'll put a hole in someone and the pattern won't just leave them with little bug bites....right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 whats your budget. if you could only have one gun..... save money, do what you gotta do, but make it an m14/m1a. best battle rifle of all time. accurate. high rate of fire. can do just about any job you need to. can make hits with no prob from 25 yards to 500-800 if you know what you are doing. there is no questions about stopping a threat with a .308 if you want one handgun, just get a glock 23. is just about guaranteed not to fail for the average user. for pure simple home defense, if money is tight and you cant get either of the above, go with a 12 gauge remington 870 (get the 18" model) or the equivalent mossberg 500. a good light would be the next step to attach to it. for the rifle or handgun you want aleast a couple thousand rounds. i wont buy a gun unless i can afford to get 3000K rounds for it at time of purchase. i'll save up, or maybe start stocking up slowly on the ammo i would need. another thing to consider... body armor. it might be better to have 1 gun and 1 body armor vest instead of 2 guns and no vest. i recently stumbled on an interceptor vest (USMC issue) on a gun board that a marine was selling for 200 bucks it will stop 9mm for sure and .44 mag even though the military doesnt test .44 mag on them. and that is without the type III plates i have to stick in it, which will stop .308. bulletproofme.com is the best place to shop. you'll also note the smoking good deal i got on that interceptor vest when you see what they go for on the bpme.com site nice post. I wish I could be this armed. I got a few biscuits in the house to protect my family from intruders or a general threat, but nothing sophisticated. I've recently been teaching my 10 year old how to shoot and training him on a compound bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 nice post. I wish I could be this armed. I got a few biscuits in the house to protect my family from intruders or a general threat, but nothing sophisticated. I've recently been teaching my 10 year old how to shoot and training him on a compound bow. example of stuff muslims shouldn't say on the internet number #129 just kidding. compound bows are good stuff. should get him nice and strong in a year or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 ha, ha..I know. I figure , I'm cool. the fbi has already been to my house, but yeah. I should be more discreet, I guess...the patriot act is put in place to detain me for no reason and for no particular time frame without even informing my family where I am, so...uh. I sold all my guns, my bow and I'm teaching my son how to paint flowers instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 ha, ha..I know. I figure , I'm cool. the fbi has already been to my house, but yeah. I should be more discreet, I guess...the patriot act is put in place to detain me for no reason and for no particular time frame without even informing my family where I am, so...uh. I sold all my guns, my bow and I'm teaching my son how to paint flowers instead. well, that is good. yeah, in normal circumstances, i would say "fuck them" but you are a muslim who has been visited. i don't want a 12oz homie to be rendered. except for maybe that toe cutter kid. that kid needs a houston astros jet on loan to the fbi and a flight to egypt like a hippie needs a haircut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 yeah, actually, i went deep sea fishing last year, took all my guns and the damn boat sank. oh well. :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 fire from tin can and chocolate bar http://www.wildwoodsurvival.com/survival/fire/cokeandchocolatebar/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 http://www.survivalblog.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs02 Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 The right-wing phrase 'When the Shit Hits the Fan," (WTSHTF)sometimes written as "when TSHTF," is shorthand for the Big Collapse, or Mass Riots or whatever. The period after WTSHTF is called "The End of the World As We Know It,", or TEOTWAWKI (pronounced "tee-oh-TWAWK-ee"). It sounds like some Native American language or something, LOL. Two different stategies are called for to deal with TSHTF and TEOTWAWKI. Generally speaking, TSHTF is considered to be more or less like a free-for-all, with threats coming from every direction, and a great deal of street fighting, arson, explosions, gas stations looted and set on fire, banks and grocery stores attacked and looted, etc. In short, chaos and anarchy. The survivalists do not expect the police or the National Guard to be able to control anything. During TSHTF, the Bug-outs are planning on fighting their way to their retreats(hopefully unoccupied by local opportunists that snickered and sneered at the survivalists for worrying about the shit hitting the fan.) Many Bug-Outs that I know own big, heavy 4x4 vehicles with what can only be described as "roadblock-buster" bars on the front, and large capacity fuel tanks (preferably diesel) and bullet-rersistant panels in the doors, cab and engine housing. They aren't actually bullet proof, but they are kind of bullet resistant, kind of like a less dramatic Mad Max truck. Some of them have a removeable gun-mount post in the bed, so that a semi-automatic, belt-fed weapon could be mounted there, or perhaps a machine gun. (There are civilian versions of the M1919A1 that are legally owned, semi-automatic versions of the M1919A1 WWII machine gun. They cost around $1600.) Our militia unit knew several Federally licensed Class III machinegun dealers who let us shoot their stock for fun and to generate possible sales leads. None of us bought any, partially because of the expense, but mostly because of the hassle with the BATF to get a Class III tax permit so one could legally own a machine gun. Instead, we bought civilian versions of the Soviet machinegun (RPK) called the NHM-91, in 7.62x39mm caliber, and 75-round drum magazines to fit them. Machineguns are great, if you have a zillion-dollar logistics train airlifting you fresh ammunition. But for the militia? Too expensive to run. Several of our sister units had members who owned legal machineguns, but not us. If we had bought one, it would have had to be one chambered for 7.62mm NATO caliber. The M1919A1 has one version in this caliber, it was produced for Israel, and Israel sells disassembled parts kits from these guns to U.S. surplus dealers, but reactivating one is a huge hassle, and very expensive because of the wonderful gun laws in the U.S. Rich people can afford a $10,000 machinegun, no problem. Us poor folks gotta do without. Other 7.62mm NATO machine guns are the Vietnam-era M60, and the modern M240G (the machinegun currently in service in the U.S. armed forces.) These Bug-Outs are anticipating strong resistance to their movement, either by the government, or by local thugs who wish to rob refugees, or criminal gangs or whatever. Whoever it is, the Bug-Outs intend to get where they want to go, and if they have to kill a bunch of people who are trying to stop them, I guess they'll do just that. Many of them belong to groups, and they intend to move in what is more or less like an armed column, ready to defend themselves against whomever. The Bug-Ins are much more circumspect. They intend to stay right where they are, form a defensive position, and drive off any outsiders who attempt to come in. They will let looters burn down the Wal-Mart, but it's death for anybody who attacks their neighborhood. Oftentimes they have their eye on a piece of empty land close to the neighborhood, like a park or a big vacant lot, where they intend to put in a large garden, and defend it from looters. They usually have strong connections with their neighbors, and keep their preparations hardly visable to the outside. They are pretty much systematic in their approach: water, food, medical supplies, fuel, power, communications, defense. If you start thinking about how much water you use, and how difficult it would be to obtain drinkable water if the municipal water supply failed. . .it would be BAD. Houston has about four million people in the metropolitan area. If the water system failed, we would be killing each other over water in a week or less. PLAN ON DIGGING A WELL. It may be dirty, muddy swill, but at least you'll have something to drink when the taps run dry. Better plan on how to get the water OUT of the well, too. Stored food is #1 priority. It takes TIME to grow a garden or raise chickens, etc. Most people in Houston haven't seen a live chicken or duck in twenty years. We always joked that the biggest risk to your guard dog is your neighbor's barbeque pit. Medications, First Aid supplies, books on First Aid, childbirth, "Ditch Medicine," "War Surgery," "Where there is No Doctor," "Where there is no Dentist," etc. You will need a stockpile of medicine, both over-the-counter and prescription medicines, including painkillers and antibiotics. You will need the basic surgical tools, scalpels, blades (scalpel blades are removeable), retractors, various kinds of surgical needles, hemostats of various sizes, surgical thread, catgut, silk, etc. You will need syringes and needles, alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, Betadine solution, bandages, tape, wire for splints, cotton padding, plaster of Paris, casting gauze. Aspirin, Tylenol, ibuprofen in large quantities, cold remedies, Benadryl, topical anti-fungal ointment like Tinactin and also vaginal micronazole for girls and women (for yeast infections.) You'll need several different kinds of antibiotic ointments, and oral antibiotics. You'll need just about every kind of First Aid and medical supplies you can imagine, and a bunch you did not think of. We tested numerous kinds of radios, and we were not pleased. After extensive field testing, we decided to go with CB radio, both 23 and 40 channel models, and 2-meter HAM radios. The 2-meter HAM radios also handled 440cm, if memory serves. (I wasn't a communications guy, I was involved in selecting weapons and ammunition.) We rejected VHF/UHF (no penetration in dense woods or rolling hills) and FMRS. Some of our sister units swore by "hunter" VHF/UHF rigs, but our guys did not like them. The best, by far, were CB's running a footwarmer, and HAM radios. Some of those guys bumped their CB's up with a linear amplifier to around 250 or 500 watts (this is illegal--a legal radio can only be 5 watts, so don't do it.) You could practically pick them up on an ALICE pack frame. We were getting about 7 miles out of a vehicle-mounted CB, and about 10-15 miles out of a mobile 2-meter without the repeater tower. With the repeater, about 65 miles, but in a real emergency, we figured the HAM repeater on Southwest Memorial Hospital's roof would be the first to go. The higher the antenna, the wider the broadcast. (CB's and HAM are line-of-sight broadcast radius, from the tip of your antenna to the "horizon" of your broadcast radius, so the higher the antenna, the farther your signal will go.) Some people would carry a compound bow and shoot a di-pole antenna on a thin rope up into a tall tree, communicate, then pull the antenna and the rope back down. We also built "backpack" radios using a 40-channel CB mounted on an ALICE pack frame, and a counter-balanced military surplus PRC-25 antenna, powered by 12 volt deer-feeder gel-cell batteries. More later, gotta go eat dinner. Wall of text. Sure getting everyone scared is a legit way to make sales? Republicans sure are smart.:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 kabar is a little off on the ham part above... 2 meter hams are line of sight.... 10 meters are high frequency and can travel. but im sure he knows that, he just didnt type it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 where's Kabar?, I got rolls of duct tape, gallons of water, canned food, guns, ammo, dead deer carcasses...what's up? John Wayne couldn't even stand the reign of the tec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 i think he only posts in the hobo thread... wish he would come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PudMiester Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 i just wanna get some of dem gun with tha lazer junks and kill some jank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/ There was a cool book I read in pdf for that I found in the forums on or linked to that site. It was called "When the lights go out" and was about a governmental breakdown caused by some EMPs. It was a story but was fairly realistic. Def worth skimming through if you can find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Feast Island Man Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 sometimes it's shite being british no american-style vast expanses of land to hide in no constitutional right(no constitution actually) to bear arms cctv everywhere if the shit ever really hits the fan, everyone in england is fucked. this is why I should've stayed in argentina I know for a fact the gauchos will be survive come what may, so much good farmland........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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