Smart Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 hillbillies dont know bout streetsweepers ... I think you don't know about hillbillies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qawee Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 LoLz THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF HAND. ANGEL OF DEATH: IS THAT A DPMS RECIEVER ON THAT AR ABOVE? EDIT: But ARs ARE TEH GHEY. I'M WAITING FOR THAT HK416 or THAT SIG 550 THATS THAT REAL DEAL MAI FREN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 im a rock river fan. yeah i like ar's but only for what they are. i dont try to pretend they can destroy someone at 400 yards with open sights. its a little poodle shooter round for up close if the shit hits the fan. im not to big of a guy, so the .223 doesnt knock you on your ass and you can stay on target. i'm trying to save up for a m1a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 ok ok take the gun chat and big boy picture posting to another thread before this gets closed due to bully banter and dick digression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 "Still, Mexico says it will file lawsuits in U.S. courts if the National Guard arrests migrants, and its leaders worry that increased border surveillance will force crossers into more dangerous areas to avoid detection." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060517/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_us_immigration;_ylt=AnCvEWymoiieTOU9J_EeDr.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 i'm trying to save up for a m1a. Not to offend !@#$%, my dainty flower, but I just wanted to say this about that: GOOD LUCK! I saw one a couple months back kinda beat up $1500... Perhaps we should start a 'gun control means using both hands'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 "A border that's closed completely? It's fantasy." - Mexico City-based analyst Jorge Chabat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 ok, I'm glad that's over. everybody feel better now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 i have to admit befoer i thoguth abotu i i hated the idea of people being able to own guns (australian) however the idea of a responsible armed population is growing on me, maybe with automatic weapons and big guns locked up in a government controleld arsenal in case shit does hit the fan. however an armed population should also be highly educated and economically successfull so it doesnt jsut turn into a country of bandits. unfortunately america doesnt have those two factors. also smart jsut because youre a mdoerator doesnt mena you should go around to every thread making snyde little comments it makes you look like a mad gronk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qawee Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 gronk is not available in the general English dictionary and thesaurus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeedependency Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Seeking to Control Borders, Bush Turns to Big Military Contractors http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/18/washington/18border.html?hp&ex=1148011200&en=14e4f28aeaa03b90&ei=5094&partner=homepage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIF.BEELOWS Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 think reasonably.... if we didnt have people (undocumented workers) to work for us at a cheap price we would be paying a lot more for our food.... inflation would explode. america always talks about their "moral obligations", if they see that people are struggling south of the border why dont they invest money into mexico, central and south america? as long as people are struggling and need to feef their kids their gonna risk their lives to come here..... people bitch about "oh, this illegals are taking my job!!! BOO HOO!!!...think about it this way...educate yourself so you don't have to work some shitty job....we take part in capitalism...and that mean competition...it's a way of life homie.... but no one is bitching about the outsourcing large companies such as microsoft are doing? i think outsourcing should be stopped..... it's not the illegals you need to worry about...it's those that are busting there asses overseas in china and such that are dying to come here and learn and become engineers so they can go back to their contries and helping their country to become a stronger power...many americans have lost site of that.... also...bush could be using those 6,000 national gaurd troops he's sending down to our southern border....(which he didnt specify what they would be doing)....to help out in the big easy and help out katrina victims....or maybe HELPING THOSE BEING KILLED EVERY DAY IN DARFUR.... no matter what anyone says.....people need these jobs a lot more than your spoiled ass....we got it good homie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 "think reasonably.... if we didnt have people (undocumented workers) to work for us at a cheap price we would be paying a lot more for our food.... inflation would explode." actually most of the low pricing of produce comes not JUST from low wage workers, but from SURPLUS. i could get into it more, if we need to. "america always talks about their "moral obligations", if they see that people are struggling south of the border why dont they invest money into mexico, central and south america? as long as people are struggling and need to feef their kids their gonna risk their lives to come here...." the US bailed Mexico out atleast once, and one time to many if you ask me. "people bitch about "oh, this illegals are taking my job!!! BOO HOO!!!...think about it this way...educate yourself so you don't have to work some shitty job....we take part in capitalism...and that mean competition...it's a way of life homie...." this is very true. competition is what capitalism is. however, i can see some justified bitching because they are not paying taxes, social security taxes etc etc, and are not legal citizens. with your next statement it seems you are being hypocritical... you dont want to regulate illegal entry or "slave" labor but you want to.... "but no one is bitching about the outsourcing large companies such as microsoft are doing? i think outsourcing should be stopped....." ...regulate outsourcing. while i think outsourcing is just as bad as the next guy, i dont think the government should be regulating it. the government does have the power to regulate its own borders however. you want the allow illegals because of low wages and you want CHEAP produce, but you want to stop outsourcing.... this will raise prices on damn near everything.... but..... maybe you see no conflict in this. "it's not the illegals you need to worry about...it's those that are busting there asses overseas in china and such that are dying to come here and learn and become engineers so they can go back to their contries and helping their country to become a stronger power...many americans have lost site of that...." there is a huge white collar protectionist coalition forming over this... the competition from Indian engineers and the like... "also...bush could be using those 6,000 national gaurd troops he's sending down to our southern border....(which he didnt specify what they would be doing)....to help out in the big easy and help out katrina victims....or maybe HELPING THOSE BEING KILLED EVERY DAY IN DARFUR...." see i have a problem with this statement. while i personally think that if any US force is to be used in this kind of situation, it should be in cases like Katrina, and not foreign aid...but i think the problem in general is just government intervention. to me it seems hypocritical to denounce the iraq war and imperial military exploits, yet call for it in cases like katrina and places like darfur especially. we are not supposed to be world police. we are not supposed to be intervening in foreign affairs, unless a vital US interest is attacked. period. but our leaders dont understand this. and you dont understand this... Joe Sobran puts it very good..... " If you want government to intervene domestically, you're a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you're a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you're a moderate. If you don't want government to intervene anywhere,[like our founding fathers] you're an extremist. " this is also good: **** **** ****“If the welfare state is here to welcome them, the solution is to get rid of it, as should have been done long ago. Overpopulation is a problem for socialist systems, not for free societies. In fact, the welfare system may be more destructive [to] the immigrants' families than to the natives.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 hey i found this out yesterday: MANY ILLEGALS PAY TAXES AND INTO SOCIAL SECURITY (estimated greater than 50%) the IRS has a special number for illegals/people wihtout socials so they can file. many illegals employers contribute to social security as well this is proven by the social security safety net that has been created by these illegals, totalling SEVEN BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR and of course, none of these people are legally entitled to any of the benefit they reap from paying taxes. ALSO if you wanna bitch about wages bitch to congress, who have not raies minimum wage in about 20 fucking years. "It's important for all of us to pay our taxes, to have proof that we are working in this country," said Efrain Santa Cruz, 44, an illegal immigrant from Mexico who recently filed his return, "so someday maybe they will give us papers." Illegal immigrants often live in an underground cash economy and don't have a paper trail establishing their presence, experts said. ....... Illegal immigrants can file taxes by applying for an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, or ITIN, designed for foreigners living here legally but now widely used by illegal immigrants. Last year, the Internal Revenue Service issued an estimated 1.2 million tax identification numbers — the vast majority of which ended up on tax returns, up from roughly 838,000 issued in 2004. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-taxes17apr17,0,2638694.story?coll=la-home-headlines Last year, Mr. Martínez paid about $2,000 toward Social Security and $450 for Medicare through payroll taxes withheld from his wages. Yet unlike most Americans, who will receive some form of a public pension in retirement and will be eligible for Medicare as soon as they turn 65, Mr. Martínez is not entitled to benefits. He belongs to a big club. As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html?ex=1270353600&en=78c87ac4641dc383&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 im sorry but this tax talk made me think of this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 nice response to facts about how much immigrants help our economy...GUNZ!! . :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 well i was gonna get long winded, but.... alright..... some illegals do pay taxes. an assload of them dont. every person i have dealt with at work who was most likely an illegal immigrant, deals only in cash. its kind of funny.... obvious illegal who cant speak english flops down 7500$ for a car, and a white collar family has to "go to the bank, maybe get a loan, see what we can come up with..." i dont know, maybe illegals just dont like banks. for obvious reasons... i dont know. now i for one cant figure out how why i the hell an illegal would want to pay taxes. just thier way of trying to assimilate? of course if an employer is going to employ someone somewhat on the books, they gotta pay taxes. and of course the government isnt going to turn away any tax money. then you have a huge underground network of fake identification. honestly, its just one big shitty mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 it's not FAKE identity the IRS provides them a special number. geez louise. effin forget it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIF.BEELOWS Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 actually most of the low pricing of produce comes not JUST from low wage workers, but from SURPLUS. i could get into it more, if we need to. the US bailed Mexico out atleast once, and one time to many if you ask me. this is very true. competition is what capitalism is. however, i can see some justified bitching because they are not paying taxes, social security taxes etc etc, and are not legal citizens. with your next statement it seems you are being hypocritical... you dont want to regulate illegal entry or "slave" labor but you want to.... ...regulate outsourcing. while i think outsourcing is just as bad as the next guy, i dont think the government should be regulating it. the government does have the power to regulate its own borders however. you want the allow illegals because of low wages and you want CHEAP produce, but you want to stop outsourcing.... this will raise prices on damn near everything.... but..... maybe you see no conflict in this. there is a huge white collar protectionist coalition forming over this... the competition from Indian engineers and the like... see i have a problem with this statement. while i personally think that if any US force is to be used in this kind of situation, it should be in cases like Katrina, and not foreign aid...but i think the problem in general is just government intervention. to me it seems hypocritical to denounce the iraq war and imperial military exploits, yet call for it in cases like katrina and places like darfur especially. we are not supposed to be world police. we are not supposed to be intervening in foreign affairs, unless a vital US interest is attacked. period. but our leaders dont understand this. and you dont understand this... Joe Sobran puts it very good..... " If you want government to intervene domestically, you're a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you're a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you're a moderate. If you don't want government to intervene anywhere,[like our founding fathers] you're an extremist. " this is also good: **** **** ****“If the welfare state is here to welcome them, the solution is to get rid of it, as should have been done long ago. Overpopulation is a problem for socialist systems, not for free societies. In fact, the welfare system may be more destructive [to] the immigrants' families than to the natives.” yes, surplus...however i'd like to see what would happen if you actually paid workers by what their work was really worth....lets see how much the price of food jumps... funny thing is a lot of them do pay taxes...believe it or not....a lot of undocumented workers actually have false documents and the government actually gets money from people that "don't exist" about 80 billion dollars is spent here by undocumented workers and 20 billion is sent back to there "home country" to their families...which helps other countries economies..... about the outsourcing i was more trying to make a point...i see where you are coming from on this one though. and i wasnt really suggesting that we use the national gaurd to help darfur...i was just talking out of my ass.....it really wouldnt make any sense i agree on the world police statement you made....however we police when we want to? if you ask me i think our government has way too much power...while our people really have none. we have no problem with over population in this country....we do, however, have a problem with over consuming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 "however i'd like to see what would happen if you actually paid workers by what their work was really worth" field labor work is a non skilled, low wage job. what skills, education does one really need? the market determines wages. if someone is willing to work for a low wage, then that is the worth of the labor. if your house is "worth" one million, but you can only sell it for $400,000 after years of trying, then is it really "worth" one milion? "we do, however, have a problem with over consuming" consumerism is a sign of a vibrant economy. http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/consumerism.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIF.BEELOWS Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 good way to put it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 consumerism also breed classism and other isms. I watched ann coulter talk on msnbc today about immigration reform. I wish I could hit that woman in the face with a bat that had the word reason stamped into it. I really can't even begin to discuss the implications of everything they said... There was one very good point brought up though. Most of these people are not fucking criminals coming over here to kill and pillage, these people are following the same principles as any of our families when they initially moved here (however many generations ago that may be). The language used in this entire discussion is so fuckin alienating as to dehuminize this concept as though it almost makes it seem like the arbiting of commodities. Speaking of, if anyone wants to understand how value is ascribed to both labor and product, I refer you to our friend Carl Marx and his "fetishism of commodities." But yes, fuck people who make this an issue of labor commodity. these are people. I also love the discussions of entitlement to citizenship that are occuring. Citizinship itself is just a fucking tool used to create an arbitrary connection between the welfare of a polity and those that it represents. Not in so much as we have certain inalienable rights, but that "we need to have those rights protected by means of citizenship." blah blah blah... talkie talkie talkie. im gonna go smoke a blunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 i think every thing Karl Marx ever wrote or even thought is complete rubbish that deserves to get pissed on, but thats just me. surprisingly as much as i dont like coulter, her latest article on illegal immigration is dead fucking on if you ask me. i like the title: "read my lips, no new amnesty..." which is an obvious jab at bush's father, who said the same about taxes, and then raised them. bush gave a speech about securing the borders and not giving amnesty. then immediately after he said no amnesty, he proceeded with a "copmprehensive" amnesty plan that he favors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreck.One Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 10$ says bionis changes her name and starts over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=BDC24BBE251EC213 read this report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 i just came across this in reference to the proposed amnesty and 2 year free tax break for new citizens granted amnesty under the bush/kennedy/mccain plan: "Inasmuch as most of these low-skilled immigrant workers are in the 0 percent tax bracket, this should be a real boon for the U.S. Treasury. Indeed, the government may end up paying the illegals money: "Let's see, Juan. According to our records, you owe us 0 percent for the past three years, and because you qualify for the earned-income tax credit, we actually owe you! Are 20s OK?" " this got me thinking about symbols post. we have the liberal rag, the ny times pretty much saying "illegals pay taxes!" and the right saying "no they dont!" so really what is the deal? i still cant figure out why someone would actually want to pay half of thier check to state and federal governments when they arent even citizens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushawn wuan Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 theyre not willing to pay half their check, i dont think anyone is, but wut ever is left after their taxes and wut not its still better then wut it would be in their home countrys. so i guess they settle for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I have some strong views on this for several reasons. First is that I was contacted by the IRS about 2yearsago, seams that I wasnt paying my taxes in AZ... Ive never been there. Some illegal got my SSN and had not paid taxes and they were after me for almost $30,000 in back taxes. I got it cleared up but its nuts to think that this has happened to 1000's of people. The 2nd is about a year ago I saw a mexican guy get killed at my work B/C He was the only Mexican guy on location and he didnt speak/understand a word of english at all. If he had atleast been able to understand the word "Run" he might of live, cause trust me I was screaming it at the top of my lungs. But He stood still and was crushed by a set of 7000+lbs blocks after our drill line parted and they fell 70ish foot. None of us knew it but he was illegal using a stolen ssn and we had all kinds of people crawling up our asses after this.... Now im all but being forced to learn spanish cause they, atleast at my company, refuse to learn any english and I feel it dangerous so im trying to learn to maybe save my life if im on a all Mexican rig anytime soon. There are several other things that i dont feel like getting into right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loc Dogg Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 i recently read that mexico recently legalized nearly every type of drug in small amounts. Everything from buds, acid, E, yola etc. That could mean that Mexico's tourism industry will explode. Hopefully the money will help better things down there. the government has gotta get their act together and not be as corrupt as it has. Thats a big reason why conditions down there make people wanna come to America. Who could blame em??? but i also read that when people enter mexico illegally from the south in guatemala they are shot dead on the spot. shady business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeedependency Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 ... i'm sure there've been plenty of shooting incidents -- but generally they take whatever money you've brought, beat you, and jail you until you can be deported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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