515ZomB Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Wow!! I guess seeing is believing. The flow with that Z is incredible. I'll try something based on that idea and post it up when it's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hua Guofang Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 also note how the vertical bar of MEK's B was more similar in width to the rest of the B, the M and so on. That's what I was saying a few posts back, you need to get your letters complete before you get in to bells and whistles as you have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Teetas Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 ^word. i think you (zomb) should refrain from the stylish doodads n focus on the letters more. Your effects look fine, but dont make the letters any better. Thats much better zomb. MEKs got that on point tips. You should keep drawing that style. I can see it being dope. and nice. Fill them books up, put in work. Its a lot more than i can say for myself recently. I remember you posting around the last time i was on like 2 years ago. But i aint done too much since then. keep it up mang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makineasykills Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Truth is its a rookie mistake to run before you can walk. When i started in the 90's i wanted to do what I saw in the Bronx and in magazines/books etc but that was done by the masters and I could barely catch a tag. Effects are cool but if all you're doing is dressing up a piece a shit at the end end of the day its still a piece of shit. Letters, letters, letters then when you think you can't take it anymore DO MORE LETTERS! Put the tricks aside and focus on honing the letter science of graffiti from balancing letter bars to figuring out every possible flow and connection for your name. Every letter should look like it belongs with the others not just a bunch of letters thrown together to say a name. Its about finding style through balance and flow. Thats the best advice I can give anyone starting out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnjhockett Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Toys have really gotten good over time. This used to be stick figures and crayons. This is all impressive! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imah8r Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Truth is its a rookie mistake to run before you can walk. When i started in the 90's i wanted to do what I saw in the Bronx and in magazines/books etc but that was done by the masters and I could barely catch a tag. Effects are cool but if all you're doing is dressing up a piece a shit at the end end of the day its still a piece of shit. Letters, letters, letters then when you think you can't take it anymore DO MORE LETTERS! Put the tricks aside and focus on honing the letter science of graffiti from balancing letter bars to figuring out every possible flow and connection for your name. Every letter should look like it belongs with the others not just a bunch of letters thrown together to say a name. Its about finding style through balance and flow. Thats the best advice I can give anyone starting out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
515ZomB Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Not feeling the bottom curve bar on the B with this one, not to mention the verticle bar looked way fatter after I inked it. Did the M differently this time though to try to get it going with the rest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Yeah, your O & M has a swing on it but the B is rigid, screws with your flow. But it's moving in the right direction so just start pumping out the letters. Don't only stick to those ones either, play around with other odd words. And pay attention to what MEK said in trying every different lean, swing, balance, etc. of the letter. Extend this bit, drop that part a little, bend that one, etc. Most of it will look silly but you have to rule out the mistakes to help you identify the good shit. Sometimes when you're mindlessly doodling you stumble on designs that you couldn't have managed when you're trying hard. Use your left hand, cover one eye, only look at the page after you've drawn each stroke, etc. Sometimes letting go of control like this can help you break out of mindsets that constrain you (like the mindset you had about Z's recently). I see you just writing the same letters over and over again, completely change what you're doing in terms of shape and flow every week to force yourself to practice and stay out of ruts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Teetas Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 ^ very good advice. If i reply with crits i would just be parroring that. But probably in less detail. so ima just say. Props for putting in work and accepting critisism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIRESTORM Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 not much time for practising because of university but i try to take as much time as i can into practise so please a few crits on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Teetas Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I love kittys. Chars kind of cheshire catish. Alice in wonderland. But your letters are kind of bad. Youre some what using consistant bars, so thats a positive i can find. Now for the bad stuff i see. You tried to draw serefs but they just look like bad extensions. You must Crawl before you walk and walk before you run. KEYBOARD SIMPLES look at the letters on your keyboard and draw those. CAT KING Just like that. a Sans serif font. Just keep drawing keyboard simples and once you got those down pat. you'll be able to then start experimenting with extensions to fiull in the negitive space that certain letters create. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIRESTORM Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 thanks big teetas start drawing keyboard over and over now, i will post it if i can do it well, then i am ready for the next advice :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
515ZomB Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Yeah, your O & M has a swing on it but the B is rigid, screws with your flow. But it's moving in the right direction so just start pumping out the letters. Don't only stick to those ones either, play around with other odd words. And pay attention to what MEK said in trying every different lean, swing, balance, etc. of the letter. Extend this bit, drop that part a little, bend that one, etc. Most of it will look silly but you have to rule out the mistakes to help you identify the good shit. Sometimes when you're mindlessly doodling you stumble on designs that you couldn't have managed when you're trying hard. Use your left hand, cover one eye, only look at the page after you've drawn each stroke, etc. Sometimes letting go of control like this can help you break out of mindsets that constrain you (like the mindset you had about Z's recently). I see you just writing the same letters over and over again, completely change what you're doing in terms of shape and flow every week to force yourself to practice and stay out of ruts. That is the plan. Thanks everyone, good shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boodah Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Everyone's doing really well in here. Props. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Teetas Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Im a digital artist now more than a pen and paper guy. But i still rock that paper before i take it to the digi art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIRESTORM Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 hello again, after many alphabets this one is the best so far i did but i think i make a few more, sometimes the half-circle-lines make trouble... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hua Guofang Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Get on to that R and S. Then start putting a shadow on them and some 3d. But that's the way to do it ^^^^^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 The R would look better if the down line came from the "half circle" instead of off of the primary bar. The S would simply if you made the top "half circle" a bit smaller than the bottom half. But that is exactly where to start. Learn how to balance those, don't do any fancy doo-dad shit that you're not ready for . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Teetas Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 True Simp nasty simp Tried to get wilder on true. still working on that. Havent inked anything in awhile. Just banging out some freestylish outlines. Need to do some tidier. Good work on the alpha bet. R is a little beat but the crits^^ up there are what you need to do, keep working on it., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIRESTORM Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 thanks for the crits and advises guys :) sadly the university began now, so not that much time but i made a few letters with shadow and 3D, the red-outlines are crappy cause of the paper, the markes going bloody on this shitty copy paper..... i think the shadow at A and B should be not that close to the letters, looks kinda strange soo crits please next days i will work on the R and S and more on 3D & Shadow greetz firestorm have a nice week all :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Teetas Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 a and b shadow is fucked up. but the keyboard simples are the way to go. youre heading in the rigjt direction. just keep drawing till it becolmes 2nd nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIRESTORM Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 The R would look better if the down line came from the "half circle" instead of off of the primary bar. The S would simply if you made the top "half circle" a bit smaller than the bottom half. But that is exactly where to start. Learn how to balance those, don't do any fancy doo-dad shit that you're not ready for . did more abc's, i had some time in boring lectures ^^ now a question, am i right that you mean balacing the letters, mean bend/modify the bars of the keyboard letters, a.e. instead of straight bars of an A make them a half circle or what ever? greetz and have a colorful weekend ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fist 666 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 No. You're not ready for that. By balance I mean think of them as weighted things. A letter can be off balance when its put between other letters, but a letter all alone should "stand on its own" and not look like it would fall over or cave in on itself. Kind of abstract, but the more you do, the more you'll understand. And of course, there are exceptions, but you start at the bottom. Learn the rules before you can break them. Breaking order without knowing what it is you're deconstructing will result in garbage. Is your screen name by chance an Earth Crisis reference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIRESTORM Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 thanks for the answer fist666 my screen name is only a name i use sometimes, no reference i took a picture, only to know if i got it 1. is not balanced T would fall to the right because the upper bar is too heavy at the right 2. T would not fall left because the A give a spot to lean on, without the A it would fall to the right 3. T will not fall because the left of the upper bar is heavier and the right side. so the angle of the main bar is equalized 4. Z would break down because upper bar is too heavy and the middle bar oto slim so it cant hold the weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decyferon Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 no I think you are overthinking ot too much, out of all those letters you posted the only one I like is the Z, I like the top heavyness of it, it is balances to me as overall it looks right, all the other letters are just leaning wrong, the A on the TA is nice as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIRESTORM Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 am i not right with the number 1 that it would fall because of its imbalance? but wouldnt the Z brake down because of the high heavyness and the slim middle bar or is this one of these exceptions fist666 mean? or do you mean this with overthinking, so i see it too strictly as weights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decyferon Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I think you might be looking at weights too much, you are right with the Ts being off balance, but there is nothing wrong with the heavier top on the Z, as long as you balances that heavier top with whatever other letters you right, the letters will all balance together and be consistent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIRESTORM Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 ahhh, at last the penny dropped ^^ now i got it, thank you decyferon :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philli_b_123 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Another sketch I did at work, rockin' those kilometrico's and stabilo boss's lol. Any tips and crits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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