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everybody, get fucking.

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yeah... this morning I heard that France Germany and Russia said that

Un Veto powers would be used to stop the states from going to war.

However if the majority of votes goes in support of the US, then they

will go to war saying "The UN didn't honour the votes of the members".

 

Funny... Isn't that why Bush is President?

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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED MARCH 05, 2003 18:31:52 ET XXXXX

 

BUSH MAKES THE CALL

 

**Exclusive**

 

President Bush on Wednesday night was to make the ultimate call whether to strike and invade Iraq with military force, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

 

A top White House source offered few details, but did reveal the president would make a "defining decision" by morning.

 

The news comes just hours after Bush discussed top secret battle plans at the White House with his national security team and Army Gen. Tommy Franks, the man who would lead American forces in Iraq.

 

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yes right before war your supposed to sever all diplomatic relations with the "enemy." for those that don't know.

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name that band

 

Greetings:This is the Secretary of War at the State Department

of the United States

We have a problem.

The companies want something done about this sluggish

world economic situation

Profits have been running a little thin lately

and we need to stimulate some growth

Now we know

there's an alarmingly high number of young people roaming

around in your country with nothing to do but stir up trouble

for the police and damage private property.

It doesn't look like they'll ever get a job

It's about time we did something constructive with these people

We've got thousands of 'em here too. They're crawling all over

The companies think it's time we all sit down, have a serious get-together-

And start another war

The President?

He loves the idea! All those missiles streaming overhead to and fro

Napalm

People running down the road, skin on fire

The Soviets seem up for it:

The Kremlin's been itching for the real thing for years.

Hell, Afghanistan's no fun

So whadya say?

We don't even have to win this war.

We just want to cut down on some of this excess population

Now look. Just start up a draft; draft as many of those people as you can.

We'll call up every last youngster we can get our hands on,

hand 'em some speed, give 'em an hour or two to learn how to use

an automatic rifle and send 'em on their way

Libya? El Salvador? How 'bout Northern Ireland?

Or a "moderately repressive regime" in South America?

We'll just cook up a good Soviet threat story

in the Middle East-we need that oil

We had Libya all ready to go and Colonel Khadafy's hit squad

didn't even show up. I tell ya

That man is unreliable.

The Kremlin had their fingers on the button just like we did for that one

Now just think for a minute-We can make this war so big-so BIG

The more people we kill in this war, the more the economy will prosper

We can get rid of practically everybody on your dole queue if we plan this right.

Take every loafer on welfare right off our computer rolls

Now don't worry about demonstrations-just pump up your drug supply.

So many people have hooked themselves on heroin

and amphetamines since we took over, it's just like Vietnam.

We had everybody so busy with LSD they never got too strong.

Kept the war functioning just fine

It's easy.

We've got our college kids so interested in beer

they don't even care if we start manufacturing germ bombs again.

Put a nuclear stockpile in their back yard,

they wouldn't even know what it looked like

So how 'bout it? Look-War is money.

The arms manufacturers tell me unless

we get our bomb factories up to full production

the whole economy is going to collapse

The Soviets are in the same boat.

We all agree the time has come for the big one, so whadya say?!?

That's excellent. We knew you'd agree

The companies will be very pleased.

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more news.. i'll keep you kids updated...

 

WASHINGTON, March 6 (UPI) -- President Bush will have a White House news conference Thursday night at a crucial junction of the war on terror and a showdown with Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

 

The 8 p.m. EST news conference set for the East Room of the White House and Bush's first since November comes during an international political crisis over a possible war with Iraq and rapid developments in the government's quest to hunt down members of al Qaida.

 

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said Bush would open the nationally televised session with statements on both issues, before taking questions from media members, who have been asking for the meeting for weeks.

 

White House officials tried to downplay the importance of the new conference, announced Thursday morning. Fleischer said the president will soon present his case on Iraq to the American people "but this is not the case tonight." He said Bush will discuss the importance of disarming Saddam, but will not use the press conference to declare war against Iraq.

 

The question-and-answer session comes at a particularly vexing moment for the Bush administration, with war expected soon in the Middle East and the howls of protest both in the United States and many other counties, against any rush into the conflict.

 

The foreign ministers of France, Germany and Russia on Wednesday released a statement vowing to block a move to war -- with France an Russia holding U.N. Security Council vetoes -- just two days before a crucial council meeting to discuss Iraqi compliance with disarmament requirements. Chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix on Wednesday signaled the Iraqi's might be making "real disarmament" progress.

 

Thousands of students across the country walked out of college and high school classrooms Wednesday in protest of the possible war and Bush met with a Vatican envoy bringing a message from Pope John Paul II asking the president to seek peace.

 

Recent arrests of key al Qaida members have renewed hope among Bush administration officials that the capture of suspected terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden might be within reach.

 

While Secretary of State Colin Powell has increasingly portrayed weapons inspections in Iraq as useless and U.S. military planners put finishing touches on an Iraq invasion plan, Fleischer signaled Thursday that their might still be room for negotiating on the latest Bush resolution for the United Nations to authorize war. Fleischer said the resolution was "not written in stone" and remains "in a consultation process with our allies."

 

 

 

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:nope:

 

I had no problem with the gulf war. Hell, I suppose I even somewhat backed it, but this time around....just no good. One big, bad, idea.

 

I'm just waiting to see what N. Korea does when we're all involved with Iraq.

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The most stragetic course of action for N.Korea is simply to nuke all the American

forces currently stationed in Japan. There's only a few miles (I think under 30)

from Seoul to the border of North Korea, so only an idiot would nuke there,

but if they hit the americans in japan, then they could just walk into Seoul

without anyone being able to stop them.

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with this and the snow outside i really wish the world would just hurry up and die already. the suspense is kind of lame now.

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Originally posted by Kilo7-

The most stragetic course of action for N.Korea is simply to nuke all the American

forces currently stationed in Japan. There's only a few miles (I think under 30)

from Seoul to the border of North Korea, so only an idiot would nuke there,

but if they hit the americans in japan, then they could just walk into Seoul

without anyone being able to stop them.

 

doesnt help that roughly 30 to 40 percent of our active millitary forces are located there..

 

 

 

yeah.. n korea is a pretty substantial threat to our west coast... thank god i live in a cornfield.

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mmmmmmhhhhhhh

 

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States has asked about 60 countries to expel selected Iraqis who officials say are undercover agents possibly poised to attack American interests overseas, officials said.

 

In a separate development Wednesday, the State Department said it had ordered two U.N.-based Iraqi diplomats to leave the country.

 

The government has identified 300 Iraqis in the 60 countries whom officials want expelled, the U.S. officials said. Some are operating as diplomats out of Iraqi embassies, the officials said, adding that the foreign governments were expected to comply with the U.S. request.

 

State Department spokesman Philip Reeker confirmed the expulsion request but offered no information on the number of countries or their identities, or on how many suspected Iraqi agents were involved.

 

Reeker said the action had no bearing on possible U.S. military action against Iraq.

 

The government officials, asking not to be identified, said the State Department made similar requests of foreign governments before the 1991 Persian Gulf War.

 

The current request comes as a U.S.-led war against Iraq appears increasingly likely. U.S. officials and outside analysts have warned that an attack on Iraq could well trigger attacks on U.S. interests by Iraq or its allies.

 

Secretary of State Colin Powell said Wednesday the real risk lies in failure to act against Saddam.

 

In that event, he said, there would be a world "where Saddam and the likes of Saddam are emboldened to acquire and wield weapons of mass destruction."

 

In New York, Iraq's U.N. ambassador, Mohammed Al-Douri, said the two Iraqis being expelled were informed of the expulsion order Tuesday at 6 p.m. and given 72 hours to leave the United States.

 

The State Department identified them as Nazih Abdul Latif Rahman and Yehia Naeem Suaoud.

 

The men speak only Arabic and have the ranks of attaches but are not on the list of personnel accredited to the United Nations, Al-Douri said.

 

"They are the security personnel of the mission, the guards," the ambassador told The Associated Press. "They are living in the basement of the (Iraqi) mission."

 

He said both diplomats had been approached by U.S. officials and asked to defect.

 

"All of our diplomats were pressurized, were asked if they would like to leave the Iraqi government right now, to stay here in the United States," the ambassador said. "And those people, they refused those kinds of proposals. And this is a kind of vengeance because they didn't accept what had been asked by Americans, by CIA, or FBI or whatever.

 

"All Iraqi people in the mission have been approached in that way, except me," he said.

 

But the State Department, in a statement, said: "The two attaches were engaged in activities outside the scope of their official function. Federal law enforcement authorities deemed the activities to be harmful to our national security."

 

Last month, the U.S. government expelled an Iraqi journalist who covered the United Nations for the official Iraqi News Agency, saying he was "harmful" to the security of the United States.

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Regardless of the outcome of a military confrontation (which if you refer to Ring of Fire thread shouldn't be too hard) the US will still lose. Every city, county, and state that is in dire financial straits, with money that could be used to help being diverted to war loses. Every soldier that is forced to kill others loses. Etc., etc.

 

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.

--Dwight Eisenhower 1953 speech

 

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil -- hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars -- must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.

--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

 

What's the use of sending a $2 million missile into a $10 tent to hit a camel in the butt?

--George W. Bush

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Originally posted by Kilo7-

.., then they could just walk into Seoul

without anyone being able to stop them.

 

i personally think alot of these scenarios are a tad exaggerated, and last time i attempted to read about some world affairs, north and south korea albeit not being bert and ernie werent on edge for a takedown, and even south korea opposed action towards n korea.

as for a conflict, if s korea is attacked, the US will likely defend them cause the US placed them in our national interest like we did to europe in ww 2 , then it gets tricky where n korea is kinda allied with china (being their neighbors share some common traitsand if the us took over N korea well then howdy china the US is next to them that being a hypothetical situation of course), then do they ally with nkorea...to attack the US??? things that make you go hmmmm. anyways yeah n korea is a trouble zone but as for being attacked...why would they? honestly they dont have all that much to gain from it, and keeping us on a semi friendly level is better in their interest anyways?

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Originally posted by Ken E. Bus

Regardless of the outcome of a military confrontation (which if you refer to Ring of Fire thread shouldn't be too hard) the US will still lose....

 

What's the use of sending a $2 million missile into a $10 tent to hit a camel in the butt?

--George W. Bush

the first part im just wondering why...in your opinion the US loses....during war time...economy goes down....except for industires that are directly involved..(not military....think of world war 2 and production) and then after war economy goes up. the economy is shite right now...but its seriously tiring hearing everybody blame bush...you can never blame one man for the economy cause not only is it on cycles...but it was gettin bad in clintons years!! but thats a dif argument all together..

second part....that quote is actually a good one, when clinto was president he decided to teach the taliban etc a "lesson" and sent some missile strikes and blew up shit, wasted money and didnt do a damn thing. if your gonna do it do it right..and be commited...like right now kinda, in the long haul.

 

not attacking anyone of course...just opinions...;)

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