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timothy mcveigh essay on america

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by seeking, Aug 15, 2003.

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    timothy mcveigh essay on america

    Discussion started by seeking - Aug 15, 2003

    An Essay on Hypocrisy
    By Timothy McVeigh



    The administration has said that Iraq has no right to stockpile chemical or biological weapons ("weapons of mass destruction") -- mainly because they have used them in the past.



    Well, if that's the standard by which these matters are decided, then the U.S. is the nation that set the precedent. The U.S. has stockpiled these same weapons (and more) for over 40 years. The U.S. claims that this was done for deterrent purposes during the "Cold War" with the Soviet Union. Why, then is it invalid for Iraq to claim the same reason (deterrence) -- with respect to Iraq's (real) war with, and the continued threat of, its neighbor Iran?



    The administration claims that Iraq has used these weapons in the past. We've all seen the pictures that show a Kurdish woman and child frozen in death from the use of chemical weapons. But, have you ever seen these pictures juxtaposed next to pictures from Hiroshima or Nagasaki?



    I suggest that one study the histories of World War I, World War II and other "regional conflicts" that the U.S. has been involved in to familiarize themselves with the use of "weapons of mass destruction."



    Remember Dresden? How about Hanoi? Tripoli? Baghdad? What about the big ones -- Hiroshima and Nagasaki? (At these two locations, the U.S. killed at least 150,000 non-combatants -- mostly women and children -- in the blink of an eye. Thousands more took hours, days, weeks, or months to die.)



    If Saddam is such a demon, and people are calling for war crimes charges and trials against him and his nation, why do we not hear the same cry for blood directed at those responsible for even greater amounts of "mass destruction" -- like those responsible and involved in dropping bombs on the cities mentioned above?



    The truth is, the U.S. has set the standard when it comes to the stockpiling and use of weapons of mass destruction.



    Hypocrisy when it comes to death of children? In Oklahoma City, it was family convenience that explained the presence of a day-care center placed between street level and the law enforcement agencies which occupied the upper floors of the building. Yet when discussion shifts to Iraq, any day-care center in a government building instantly becomes "a shield." Think about that.



    (Actually, there is a difference here. The administration has admitted to knowledge of the presence of children in or near Iraqi government buildings, yet they still proceed with their plans to bomb -- saying that they cannot be held responsible if children die. There is no such proof, however, that knowledge of the presence of children existed in relation to the Oklahoma City bombing.)



    When considering morality and mens rea [criminal intent] in light of these facts, I ask: Who are the true barbarians?



    Yet another example of this nation's blatant hypocrisy is revealed by the polls which suggest that this nation is greatly in favor of bombing Iraq.



    In this instance, the people of the nation approve of bombing government employees because they are "guilty by association" -- they are Iraqi government employees. In regard to the bombing in Oklahoma City, however, such logic is condemned.



    What motivates these seemingly contradictory positions? Do people think that government workers in Iraq are any less human than those in Oklahoma City? Do they think that Iraqis don't have families who will grieve and mourn the loss of their loved ones? In this context, do people come to believe that the killing of foreigners is somehow different than the killing of Americans?



    I recently read of an arrest in New York City where possession of a mere pipe bomb was charged as possession of a "weapon of mass destruction." If a two pound pipe bomb is a "weapon of mass destruction," then what do people think that a 2,000-pound steel-encased bomb is?



    I find it ironic, to say the least, that one of the aircraft that could be used to drop such a bomb on Iraq is dubbed "The Spirit of Oklahoma."



    When a U.S. plane or cruise missile is used to bring destruction to a foreign people, this nation rewards the bombers with applause and praise. What a convenient way to absolve these killers of any responsibility for the destruction they leave in their wake.



    Unfortunately, the morality of killing is not so superficial. The truth is, the use of a truck, a plane, or a missile for the delivery of a weapon of mass destruction does not alter the nature of the act itself.



    These are weapons of mass destruction -- and the method of delivery matters little to those on the receiving end of such weapons.



    Whether you wish to admit it or not, when you approve, morally, of the bombing of foreign targets by the U.S. military, you are approving of acts morally equivalent to the bombing in Oklahoma City. The only difference is that this nation is not going to see any foreign casualties appear on the cover of Newsweek magazine.



    It seems ironic and hypocritical that an act viciously condemned in Oklahoma City is now a "justified" response to a problem in a foreign land. Then again, the history of United States policy over the last century, when examined fully, tends to exemplify hypocrisy.



    When considering the use of weapons of mass destruction against Iraq as a means to an end, it would be wise to reflect on the words of the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. His words are as true in the context of Olmstead as they are when they stand alone: "Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example."



    Sincerely



    Timothy J. McVeigh


    stolen from here. thanks to my best friend mapo for this one. :)

    http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/McVeigh/OKCaug98.htm
     
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    mapo returns - Replied Aug 16, 2003

    another good read ARCEL.

    The thing that pisses me off about some patriotic people is that we always assume the worst with other countries and always assume the best with america.

    its ok for us to have wmd and use it on people. but not ok for anyone else.

    i hate the way americans think saddam hussein had something to do with 9/11.

    if people would wake up and learn things and view things objectively we'd be able to make change for the better.
     
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    -MOE LESTER- - Replied Aug 16, 2003

    ITS BECAUSE AMERICA IS FUCKING STUPID AND BRAIN WASHED!!!

    this was one of the topics me and some homies had a fucking meth-induced conversation about an hour ago....its so fucking sad how white american thinks and shit
     
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    Dipher - Replied Aug 16, 2003

    I just watched a documentary on how the US military is giving "Go pills" to its pilots. Fucking shameful. Imagine being on the receiving end of a "friendly fire" incident?
     
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    down with the american government, scourge of the world.
     
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    Abracadabra - Replied Aug 16, 2003

    i saw that too! man, it's the equivilant of putting a drunk driver on the road in a formula one car strapped with missiles. kill bush!
     
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    effyoo - Replied Aug 16, 2003

    Already happened. In Afghanistan 2 American pilots bombed Canadian troops that were training for some mission. The pilots were on those go pills
     
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    satrdae - Replied Aug 16, 2003

    SO TRUE
     
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    mr.yuck - Replied Aug 16, 2003

    I never condoned the shit that mcVeigh did and i was the first person in my family to see that shit on tv when i was a kid. I had no grasp on what had happend untill later on in my life. Now that i am older and wiser and more jaded... McVeigh makes an interesting point about a pipe bomb being a weapon of mass destruction. So what is the difference between a pipe bomb and a 2000 lb war head? Good read.
     
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    very good read
     
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    Dr. Dazzle - Replied Aug 16, 2003

    A good read but it's nothing groundbreaking. Countless circles of drunk hippies all around the world have been saying the same thing for years....
     
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    the_gooch - Replied Aug 16, 2003

    that was a great read, he makes many good points. i dont agree with what he did although i see his point of view.

    anymore info on that documentary about the pilots on those pills?
     
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    i figured kabar would be all over this one
     
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