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Thoughts on The War

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by Clever Name, Feb 11, 2002.

  1. Clever Name

    Clever Name Junior Member

    Joined: Jan 29, 2002 Messages: 189 Likes Received: 0
    Everyone seems really caught up in The War being centered around big oil conspiracies, opium smuggling, arms dealing, shady politics, etc.

    Has anyone noticed how incredibley pointless the whole thing really is on its own? It just seems stupid to launch an "assault" against a vague, generalized, unconventional tactic like terrorism. It's like declaring war on your neighbor to fight suburban sprawl.
     
  2. NATO

    NATO Guest

    im am personally against the so called 'war' i think it will only add fuel to the extremists fire and kill more innocent people.
     
  3. fiberoptical

    fiberoptical New Jack

    Joined: Apr 26, 2001 Messages: 31 Likes Received: 0
    The war is a "shady" clandestine operation based on all of those things and then some. And where in the world is OBL? It went from finding this one dude and smoking him out of a hole, to bombing the shit out of an extremely poor and desperate nation, killing 4000 plus civilians, installing a new govt. friendly to OIL, and moving on to other "rogue" nations that have minerals and resources we want to control. The only axis is one of OIL and MINERAL options. Bush is a skam.The american populace is one of sheep...baaahhhh.
     
  4. bigpoppa.k

    bigpoppa.k Elite Member

    Joined: May 2, 2001 Messages: 3,151 Likes Received: 17
  5. Pistol

    Pistol Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jul 12, 2001 Messages: 19,363 Likes Received: 299
    Killing 4000 plus civilians? Please. I believe that number might be a bit overinflated. If it weren't for the US and other countries thousands in Afghanistan would starve. The Taliban was more concerned with maintaining power and control over the people than providing them with food, water,etc.
     
  6. bigpoppa.k

    bigpoppa.k Elite Member

    Joined: May 2, 2001 Messages: 3,151 Likes Received: 17
    theres a big difference between... being sucker punched in a bar and then hitting him back, or calling someone outside with you to go at it one on one.
     
  7. mapo wc

    mapo wc Elite Member

    Joined: Feb 23, 2001 Messages: 3,119 Likes Received: 0
    yes. we should have done nothing, just keep letting them attack, who cares how many innocent Americans die, as long as we dont add any fuel to the fire. we wouldnt want to ruffle any feathers, just grin and bear it, right NATO?
     
  8. Pistol

    Pistol Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jul 12, 2001 Messages: 19,363 Likes Received: 299
    Too bad OBL,The Taliban,AlQaeda and others are hiding from us in Mosques,Schools,and next to Women and Children. That way is we go and try to get them "hopefully" we kill innocent civilians, THEN they have more fuel to the fire.
     
  9. NATO

    NATO Guest

    yeah sure they had to do something. but at the end of the day it isn't addressing the root cause of the problem in my opinion. why is there so much anti american feeling in the first place. i dont think what is being done will prevent further attcks in the future, mapo.
     
  10. fiberoptical

    fiberoptical New Jack

    Joined: Apr 26, 2001 Messages: 31 Likes Received: 0
    So what did OBL gain from this attack?.....Direct facts of what him, the "al queda" and talibahn gained from doing this attack? Anyone who has studied war knows that there are things to gain from attacking...now what did they gain?.What attention was drawn to their cause? What mission statement was released after the attack?.,.,,,NONE...He directly stated he was not responsible for the attacks.And if you notice that all terrorist attacks are spoken for after they are carried out..by different groups looking further thier cause..now if you were to carry out the largest attack ever, knew they would be coming for you after, why would you not claim you did it?.,..think long and hard on that one... ..strategic decisions...none of it adds up.....none of the whole thing adds up...

    ..but anyhow..
    read the ART OF WAR by Sun Tzsu....understand that war is the art of deception....and we, my frineds, are being decieved.
    Do a google search on the words - Operation Northwoods...now tell me...


    reichstag fire....


    ma, the roof is on fire.,...it's ok honey, go back to Television,.

    above your head.......
     
  11. Pistol

    Pistol Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jul 12, 2001 Messages: 19,363 Likes Received: 299
    First off , the idea that this isn't getting to the root of the problems is BS. Why you ask. Because there are some nutjobs that are gonna hate the US regardless. Just look at the situation with Israel and all the shit they have to put up with. When the planes hit the WTC and there was speculation that Al Qaeda might be involved, many in the Arab world were already saying for certain that the Israeli Secret Police were behind it. The Israelis notified ALL Jews and therefore non were killed in the WTC attacks. When the Israeli's found tons of arms from Iran to the Palestinians and the captain of the ship admitted it, what did the wackos say? "Oh it was a attempt by the Israelis to make us look bad" These are the type of minds that we are dealing with. These aren't people that you can have intellectual stimulating conversations about politics with.

    Second what did AlQaeda and theTaliban have to gain? In there little heads they believe that they can bring about the destruction of the US. They want to take down the Us and gain support for a Unified Muslim Nation. If they are the ones to topple the mighty US they might in turn get a more prominent position in this Unified Islamic Nation that they THINK they will get.
     
  12. Big Bruno

    Big Bruno Senior Member

    Joined: Oct 8, 2001 Messages: 2,472 Likes Received: 70
    we all have our theories
    but all in all, we dont know shit.
    we are not privy to any information that might let us make informed decisions
    we are a nation of sheep....baaaaahhhhh...
     
  13. NATO

    NATO Guest

    exactly. we only know what we are told, who knows what the fuck to beleive.
     

  14. at the risk of sounding like a dickhead...
    i have talked at length with some of the famly members of the last king to rule afghanastan before the russians invaded. and they talk to people back in afghanastan frequently. and let me tell you what you dont read on the internet or see on the news. the people of afghanastan DESPERATELY want the taliban out. any ANY and ALL costs. and that even means their own lives. they live in such extreme poverty that the son, a little older then me, was recounting stories about as a boy, when the bombs would go off (because there was war going on in afghanastan for decades before "Operation Unduring Freedom". but since it wasnt thousands of AMERICANS dieing, yet, we didnt hear about it), the children would run TOWARDS the blast. they collected the shrapnek and scrap metal to take to pakistan to sell for money to feed their family. the packages tat we were dropping were so helpful and more then they had seen in years. it was a godsend. are there more innocent people dieing over then then is being reported in the media? sure. is the reason that we are there because of the welfare/retribution of our people? sure. is it fair? no. BUT, its what the people of the country realize must happen if things are to change. am i for war? no. does shit boil my blood? yeah. do i think that the US is sheisty as fuck. awww hell yes. do i think that there is some good that is coming or could potentially come out of this. yes.
     
  15. Big Bruno

    Big Bruno Senior Member

    Joined: Oct 8, 2001 Messages: 2,472 Likes Received: 70
    all im saying is that if we all knew every shitty action that the U.S. does, nobody would be patiriotic in the least...
     
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