tae Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Discuss..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17752189 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoHuxtable.. Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPS! Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Apparently even if hes charged an convicted of every charge hes facing, the maximum he could get is 21 years. And I thought the American justice system was a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritably Clean Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 yea i'm pretty sure thats not gonna stop inmates from killing this guy. he did murder a camp full of little kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPS! Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 He's asking for the death penatly, or to go free. As easy as it seems to say that they'd never allow him to dictate his own future, it is Scandanavia and if you can kill 77 people and get 21 years, shit they might let him go ahead and off himself by way he chooses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyWishes Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Norway law is lax like whoa... Look up Varg the black metal dude. Murder, burned down multiple historic churches, was only sentenced 20 years (that's their max) and got weekends to go home and make music. That being said, I really really want to see this dudes rap letters since he was a graff n' dancer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasfacevictm Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Y'all nigras need some lessons in ethics and morality before you judge their legal system. The main goal of civilized imprisonment is not revenge or retribution. It's to try and rehabilitate. If it was based on emotions like most people would prefer there'd be nothing but the death penalty handed out for everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipod90 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Im sure he's gonna have a hard time at this place, Prison quarters in Norway is no joke. I think I like this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasfacevictm Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Yeah, that place is nice compared to most prisons, but fuck....still can't leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grd Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 He's apparently claimed necessity under section 47 of the Norwegian penal code and did the white power salute while being sworn in. Section 47 of the Norwegian penal code... "No person may be punished for any act that he has committed in order to save someone's person or property from an otherwise unavoidable danger when the circumstances justified him in regarding this danger as particularly significant in relation to the damage that might be caused by his act." He's clearly loving all the attention he's getting, his defence team are even calling the cleric who founded radical Islamic group Ansar al-Islam, Mullah Krekar, as a witness to demonstrate how a person with extreme political views may be put on trial as sane so they don't think he's a nut job and dismiss his actions. He wants to be the next führer innit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasfacevictm Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I agree that all Muslims should be executed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..romero.. Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Y'all nigras need some lessons in ethics and morality before you judge their legal system. The main goal of civilized imprisonment is not revenge or retribution. It's to try and rehabilitate. If it was based on emotions like most people would prefer there'd be nothing but the death penalty handed out for everything. lol you should like a fucking bleeding heart bro. fuck that shit. you know damn well you and any other normal person would want to put a bullet through his head if he had killed your kids, let alone 70 other children. prison has never been about rehabilitation, thats all bullshit. the mentally deranged, serial killers, child rapists etc. cannot be rehabilitated, so when they fuck up like this we either lock them up in what is basically a broom closet with a bunkbed for the rest of their life or we kill them. and frankly thats how it should be. you kill that many people you deserve to die. even if you look at it from a rational standpoint there is no way this man with his delusions should be let loose especially after he has proven he has the ability to not only kill but kill large groups of people. i don't see anyway to reintegrate or "rehabilitate" him back into society. so the only option is to lock him up and throw away the key, or put a bullet in his head. as far as im concerned the latter is the most appropriate. fuck this dude. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasfacevictm Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 lol you should like a fucking bleeding heart bro. fuck that shit. you know damn well you and any other normal person would want to put a bullet through his head if he had killed your kids, let alone 70 other children. Which is why me or any other "normal" people are in charge of punishing criminals. If you could read, you'd have noticed this in my post. prison has never been about rehabilitation, thats all bullshit. the mentally deranged, serial killers, child rapists etc. cannot be rehabilitated, so when they fuck up like this we either lock them up in what is basically a broom closet with a bunkbed for the rest of their life or we kill them. and frankly thats how it should be. you kill that many people you deserve to die. even if you look at it from a rational standpoint there is no way this man with his delusions should be let loose especially after he has proven he has the ability to not only kill but kill large groups of people. i don't see anyway to reintegrate or "rehabilitate" him back into society. so the only option is to lock him up and throw away the key, or put a bullet in his head. as far as im concerned the latter is the most appropriate. fuck this dude. Again, MODERN/CIVILIZED society prison. Nothing you said has refuted my argument. It's not ethical to lock a person in a room for their lifespan. You're basing everything on emotion, which is the exact opposite of what the legal system is for. I have no better option as to what to do with this guy, but emotional responses to the problem are about as smart as what he did. <--------NONLIBERALONER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritably Clean Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 "prison has never been about rehabilitation" there are many countries that do use prison as rehab and their quality of life indexes are so much better than ours. i would do anything to move to norway where they have so little crime they are actually closing prisons, instead of packing them so full of people they legally have to let some out, like in cali. the fact that prisons are a private industry leads to so many bullshit convictions and idiotic laws, which gives us one of the highest incarceration rates in the world. and why would you give this guy what he wants? he wants to be killed, so why would you give him that? lock him up for his time and he'll get whats coming to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipod90 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 This is going to be a landmark case. They don't really have a choice but to label him insane and put him in a padded room. If given only 21 years or even found innocent it will defiantly will send a huge message to the rest of the world. Christians > Muslims imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipod90 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 lock him up for his time and he'll get whats coming to him You would think that the inside would be run by white nationalists over there. So they will most likely be on his side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasfacevictm Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Christians > Muslims imo I kinda agree, but they're all retards. So are Jews. Religious people are fucking morons, but yeah...Christians tend to be slightly better educated and less prone to violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritably Clean Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 You would think that the inside would be run by white nationalists over there. So they will most likely be on his side. no matter where you go in the world, no one is gonna defend murdering a whole bunch of children because it's just so cowardly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipod90 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Body count! A baby snake is still a snake. But yeah your right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUSK Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 they're trying to blame call of duty for this dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasfacevictm Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Yeah, just like Donkey Kong made me want to bludgeon people with barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPS Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realism Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Seeing as he was declared sane, he will stand trial, and will get the maximum. In exceptional cases, there is something called containment, which is a life sentence...sort of. I think this could be the case for him in the long run. As far as him getting killed, the prisons aren't really on some Oz shit. It's not likely the other inmates are going to kill him, there is often relatively little friction, even with rapists, etc. That's why prisons allow inmates to have open access to kitchen knives and saws for work and shit. As far as I know usually doesn't escalate beyond beatdowns and transfers. It doesn't sit too well with me (and a lot of people) that he could end up in Halden, but you need to realize there is a whole different mindset here in terms of punishment... Americans are conditioned to accept prison as a punishment, and Scandinavians are conditioned to accept it as rehabilitative. This is considered protocol in the Nordic countries. Since someone might get salty like FUK U IT DONT WORK I'll just invite you to look at crime stats in any Scandinavian country versus the United States. In cases like this it's a hard pill to swallow, but evidence seems to say it works. I'm in Denmark, not Norway, but there's obviously a ton of buzz about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achoe.am Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 the problem with the insanity-issue is that there's two rapports, one saying he's insane, the other saying he's sane. so that's what the psychiatrists are gonna find out during the questioning in the trial. and no matter what the outcome will be, this man will most def never be a free man again. containment what's up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Ferreal Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 if 21 years was the maximum in america, there probably wouldnt be any muslims in america Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drue_Down Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 REMEMBER BRECK? WELL, IT'S BACK! BRECK IS BACK! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Veritably Clean Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 if the kids he killed were this souless and dead eyed looking, i'd be ok with breivik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/318761/20120323/norway-oslo-massacre-breivik-laws-health-care.htm Norway Changes Health Care Laws In Wake of Breivik Massacre ....However, the July 2011 massacre has sped up the lawmaking process and prompted a review of the Norway's health care system concerning violent mentally ill people. Tailored to the Breivik massacre, the bill would apply to patients who "may have committed grave, atrocious and offensive acts, such as mass murder." In effect, this law would allow for Breivik to be locked up forever in a top security mental hospital unit. ... i'm thinking they won't let him slide he killed too many kids. and for me personally, he's the lamest mass murderer in history i've read books about killers, and dictators who killed millions.. i have zero interest in knowing any more about this dude and his motivations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tae Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 "It is not desirable to focus on people under the age of 18 but there was no other desirable political target on that day," Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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