the.crooked Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Anyways.. with respect to diversity, there shouldn't be a dominant viewpoint - but everyone should respect each other. Which is what global governance destroys, things should be handled in state. This is impossible. There will always be a dominant view point. Whoever wrote what law being that perspective. And what is any state better than a federal? What if we had a state that wanted to bring back slavery? Be quick to hope the fed saves our asses then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinksmall Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 I guess my statement about dominant viewpoint was dumb, like others.. but I don't believe in making people do things through force. Slavery? Ha. Thats what global governance will bring, obedient sheep that follow certain policies. With education and the whole Amnesty International movement, things like that will be stopped if they even occur.... but the catch is, this time, it wont be done through policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 You people speak as though there is some utopian force driving the progression of scoeities. No it is the ebb and flow of what is the dominant viewpoint. So how would one make them do things? Coersion? Is that not law? I mean get upset at S.O.P. just don't get pissy when people try and make changes through that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15651688/ http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/02/bloomberg-calls-for-tax-on-carbon-emissions/index.html?ex=1351742400&en=0dc8fe40f68a67dc&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss As MIT climate scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen warned earlier this year , "Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=b4f81115-802a-23ad-4e54-f0137d7a406f&Issue_id= http://tpa.typepad.com/research/2007/09/the-case-agains.html http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=b4f81115-802a-23ad-4e54-f0137d7a406f&Issue_id= http://www.dailytech.com/Survey%2BLess%2BThan%2BHalf%2Bof%2Ball%2BPublished%2BScientists%2BEndorse%2BGlobal%2BWarming%2BTheory/article8641.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinksmall Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 I want to say knowledge is what makes people do things. There is an utopian force driving progression though, but its because of diversity that it will never happen. If you remove diversity and change consensus then oh snap, which probably wont ever happen. EDIT: haha casek wins again. So it is happening.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 I don't understand why you equate the possibility of one government with a lack of diversity. I think you are mixing up levels of abstraction. And casek, I am not saying it won't impact things. I think it is a bureaucrat's dream because it is a completely unregulated market that could be tapped in to. Does not mean it is one that should not be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Clarification, I was thinking of Carbon Trading. Not carbon taxing. I will have to come up with a better view about that before I will speak on Carbon Taxing. Carbon trading on the other hand, as one of the main views pushed by Al Gore, is a pretty good idea. look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 neil cavuto OWNED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Huxtable. Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 who the hell's bombing the freeways with large ron paul posters? i see large ones on the freeways planted into the dirt on the side, and some signs hanging from overpasses then i was by the beach and saw some guys waving ron paul posters in the intersection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 who the hell's bombing the freeways with large ron paul posters? i see large ones on the freeways planted into the dirt on the side, and some signs hanging from overpasses the i was by the beach and saw some guys waving ron paul posters in the intersection awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Huxtable. Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 "we should live with in our means" couldn't have said it any better. why the current government chooses to spend more and borrow more than we make and increase the already-staggering deficit, is beyond me. the chickens will eventually come home to roost if we don't quit. but this style of "spend more than we generate" existed before bush. anyone know when the u.s. government started this trend of overspending? i also agree with him on how bad printing money out of thin air, and how it hurts the middle-class and the poor while the rich prosper. that's part of the reason why the dollar has been taking a beating lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 it's funny that you only hear dr. paul speaking about such things. the rest are afraid (to lose their wealth) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 "we should live with in our means" couldn't have said it any better. why the current government chooses to spend more and borrow more than we make and increase the already-staggering deficit, is beyond me. the chickens will eventually come home to roost if we don't quit. but this style of "spend more than we generate" existed before bush. anyone know when the u.s. government started this trend of overspending? i also agree with him on how bad printing money out of thin air, and how it hurts the middle-class and the poor while the rich prosper. that's part of the reason why the dollar has been taking a beating lately. this happens because this is the creedo our country lives by. look at subprime mortgage issue. look at the average level of credit card debt in this country. we built ourselves on the artifice of credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVERWURST* Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 The executive approves, but can only try to influence how laws are proposed regarding taxes, war, migration and really anything else (section 7 and 8). If Ron Paul is elected, how will he make congress support his agenda? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 The executive approves, but can only try to influence how laws are proposed regarding taxes, war, migration and really anything else (section 7 and 8). If Ron Paul is elected, how will he make congress support his agenda? abolish the laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 abolishement would require another type of law. which would still have to go through congress. he can't just up and dissolve shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVERWURST* Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Ron Paul beat the Sun in a staring contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 theo: did you see him on neil cavuto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoldmidwest Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 neil cavuto OWNED I can see why they don't invite him onto many tv programs, He ends up outwitting everyone when they let him talk! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILOTSMYBRAIN Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Ron Paul would have the people behind him. Congress is the peoples bitch. At least in theory. If they don't do what Ron wants, and if Ron wants what we want. We just apply the pressure. Bam magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 HANNITY: Do you lean towards one strategy over the other? Or you don't want to say? ROVE: I don't want to say. I � HANNITY: You do, though. ROVE: But it is interesting to see that everybody has made their strategic bets. I'm not certain, incidentally, that this is helpful for the country, for this to be settled so quickly. I mean, people do need the time � this process ought to be spread out over time, in my opinion, because it allows more people to participate, more people in the country to develop a deeper understanding of who the candidates are, and for the people of America to make a more considered judgment. This thing is happening so quick on so many different battle fronts that I'm not certain, regardless of who makes the � who bet on the right strategy, there is going to be a bandwagon effect, no, national reputation is going to count � no matter which way that works out, I'm not certain it is necessarily in the best interest of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Fuentes Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Ron Paul would have the people behind him. Congress is the peoples bitch. At least in theory. If they don't do what Ron wants, and if Ron wants what we want. We just apply the pressure. Bam magic. yes sir! hahahaha that cavuto video is priceless, like they say in spanish. le salio el tiro por la culata...the shot came out from the stock. you dont play with ron paul, no no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the.crooked Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Ron Paul would have the people behind him. Congress is the peoples bitch. At least in theory. If they don't do what Ron wants, and if Ron wants what we want. We just apply the pressure. Bam magic. in an ideal conception of congress, sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelofdeath Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 soap box, ballot box, jury box, cartridge box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVERWURST* Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 cereal box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILOTSMYBRAIN Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 in an ideal conception of congress, sure. Not that I do not point the finger at Congress for a lot of what is going on, everyone is just sitting around doing nothing but pointing the finger. However I think it's in an ideal society that would be necessary. Most people could give a fuck less what's going on outside of their day to day things. Tunnel vision man. Nothings going to change until people care. At least enough people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuLaSauRuS Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Ron Paul 2008!!!! I knew there had to be a topic on here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanfullofretards Posted December 22, 2007 Author Share Posted December 22, 2007 Fuck yes TuRbOnAzI!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool 2+2 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/06/giyus_megaphone/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORDISM45 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 hahahaha thats pretty fucking interesting isnt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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