rubbish heap Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 The other ink recipe threads are dying, and nobody wants to read through 10 pages to find what they want. Therefore I decided to start a new one. This thread is intended for those who don't know much about ink to start learning. I'm giving it my best shot to answer all of your questions. Now, lets take a primer in Ink 101. INK VS. PAINT There's two main things you can use as a base for your recipe: inks/dyes, or bucket paint. Ink and bucket paint do not mix with each other. If you're into getting custom colors that no one else has, get yourself some small containers of bucket paint. Two recommended brands are Rustoleum and One-Shot. While most people have heard of Rusto and know of it for its thickness, One Shot is less well known but has a lot of nice colors and comes out super glossy or metallic. Sign painters use it for their work; it's tough shit and it contains lead, so be careful. Bucket paint is not as permanent as a lot of inks, and really does not stain too well at all, but it usually will not weather away quickly and is still slightly hard to buff. Make sure you get oil-based. You can't put paint in most markers, so it's recommended that you put it in a mop, preferably a Kiwi. If you want more drips, be sure to thin out the paint with mineral spirits. Do NOT thin with xylene if your mop is plastic, as xylene eats plastic away. Onto the inks. If you're into shit that stains hard, love the colors black and/or violet, and want your shit to last long and sink deep into the surface, this is the shit for you. Pretty much every ink is alcohol based, as is leather dye. Marsh ink is about the most well known in the US. In my experiences, it's not that much different from Pilot ink, though a little more expensive and slightly harder to buff (but it's not going to make much of a difference). Anyways, ink looks good on a wall, flows well through the marker, and is relatively hard to buff, but usually won't stain hard or leave a ghost. Now, on to leather dye. This is the shit when it comes to nice colors, leaving a nasty stain, and being some of the hardest shit to buff. So why don't you just use leather dye as ink and leave out the Marsh/Pilot ink? Well, truth is, it looks like fucking water color paint when applied to a wall, and it doesn't flow as well. You gotta mix it with ink. Some popular brands are Griffin, which you can find at Walgreens, and Fiebing's. The hardest staining colors made by Fiebing's are violet and red. Be very careful when handling this shit - if it drips anywhere in the house, it's damn hard to clean off. Now on to brake fluid. Why do people use brake fluid in there recipes ? Brake fluid is corrossive and eats through paint and into the wall, kind of like what etch does to glass, except not as permanent. Anyways, it's good stuff. You can find it at Walgreens, also. Make sure you get DOT3 and don't add too much into your recipe. Now, the recipes. NUMBER ONE : HARD STAINING HOME MADE INK Get a jar. Put in either Pilot ink or Marsh as your base, and add some Griffin, less than or equal to the amount of Pilot. Now get some Fiebing's leather dye, and add it to the batch, preferably red or purple, as they stain the hardest. Next, get some brake fluid, and give a generous amount - not too little, but definitely not too much as it will affect the flow. Mix that shit around. You can also try boiling them together and then using a thinner, as they'll thicken when heated. Personally, I've never tried heating / boiling any of my inks. If you want, you can try adding Gentian Violet or Methylene Blue (the additive). Next, put it in your marker. Let's pretend you have a Pilot, since they're the easiest to refill and one of the best markers around. Simply unscrew the top, and drop some ink in there until it's slightly overflowing above the cotton. Now, screw the top back on, open the marker and let the ink drop through the nib and land back into the jar. This will get the nib nice and juicey. You can also put this into a mop. This shit is going to stain hard and leave a ghost once its buffed, so the only way to really get rid of it is paint over it (and certain things just don't get painted over, signs for instance). NUMBER TWO : HOME MADE KRINK This ones for homemade Krink. Krink is a recipe made by KR from New York ; you can buy his shit off http://www.fourthehardway.com or get more info at http://www.krink.com . He charges 15 bucks ; if you want to know the exact proportions to the recipe, buy some and let the ingrediants settle over time and seperate. Anyways, this is some of the easiest shit to make yourself at home. First, get some Rusto Aluminum paint. Its nice and silver. Next get some Paint thinner. Mix it to whatever proportion you want - the more thinner, the more drippy. You can also add a little bit of brake fluid, for staining power, and aluminum dust for shines. CHAPSTICK MARKER RECIPE This is a recipe I typed awhile back in the Tools of the Trade thread. http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/1/30857/p/586256_1848702380118416111_vl.jpg'> WHAT YOU WILL NEED: - Chapstick container. - Pilot ink, or whatever you prefer. - A candle and matches. - A felt chalk board eraser. - An eyedropper (comes with Pilot ink). 1. Get the chapstick container, empty out the chapstick and clean out the container. 2. Melt some wax into it from the candle, so that the bottom is sealed and won't leak any ink. 3. Put in your ink of choice with the eyedropper. i used pilot because it's cheap and flows fine. 3. Get the felt eraser. Rip off one of the strips. cut it about 1/4. Shove that bit into the container, just make sure you can get the cap back on. 4. Finally, get the eyedropper back out and drip some ink onto the nib until it becomes juicy. After that you're ready to go. When the nib gets dry, rejuice it with the eye dropper and ink. Any questions are welcome. I'm constantly answering them and editing the front page to contain more information. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted December 3, 2003 Author Share Posted December 3, 2003 Originally posted by ARCEL what's nero like ? sorry if i already asked you that I can't really tell you firsthand, because I've never used any of those Euro inks (unless you consider Fiebing's euro, because that shit is mentioned in the same sentence as 'transit' and 'corio' alot). I'm sure the euroheads could tell you, but from what I've heard it's pretty stainy when you add the additive and black as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_dowmagik Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Feibing's is from Milwaukee, or as the native people say Milla-wokay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Originally posted by ARCEL what's nero like ? sorry if i already asked you that Nero is very permanent good ink.It stains blue when buffed! its a leather dye not like marsh so its quite thin but thicker than feibens:cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted December 3, 2003 Author Share Posted December 3, 2003 Originally posted by sofarok Does the brake fluid thing really work, i have tried it a few times and it just add a nasty oily tinge to whatever ink i use, doesnt seem to want mx wit the ink.... 1. make sure its DOT3, the other one's don't have the corossiveness to them. 2. make sure you don't put too much in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted December 4, 2003 Author Share Posted December 4, 2003 Originally posted by why write? i tried re-fillin a pilot by unscrewin da top and pourin stuff in it, but it doesnt seem to wanna flow out and its pissin me off cus ive tried it many times...can anyone help me wit dis problem or tell me wut im doin wrong? you have the unscrewing the top and pouring the ink in right. what you need to do is have the marker slightly overflowing. than carefully screw it back on and turn the marker upside down, over the ink jar or a toilet or something. the ink should drip out of the tip for a little bit - once it takes like 6 seconds between each drip, screw the marker back up. the nib should be extra juicy this way, just make sure you don't store it anywhere upside down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted December 4, 2003 Author Share Posted December 4, 2003 Originally posted by 26SidedCube You're all going to have dirty bathrooms.... (circa A Christmas Story) hahaha.. speaking of which, if you worry about staining mom's new kitchen sink, take your grimey inks to the trashy fast food restaurant and stealthily mix / refill shit there. get the kind of bathroom that's designed only to have one person in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted December 4, 2003 Author Share Posted December 4, 2003 Originally posted by winston Anyone know anywhere Where I can get some additive in the uk....? theres a whole thread on this... http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthrea...additive+in+the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schick1 Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 bassicly at first i didnt feel like sharing my ink recipe with some 12 year old who never busted a tag but im bored so i dont give a shit anymore... the be all end all of all inks: take any solvent based ink... griffin marsh t grade and rolmark feibings..... purple is by far the best. flowmaster. random leather dyes nero corio pilot or omega raven oil. mix them all together, now get a pot you can ruin and slowly boil the ink, make sure you havent added anything to the ink yet. stop boiling it before it turns into a paste. step 2 with your new thick mix of inks add some petroleum distilates i use kerosine, but paint thinner will be fine. add fish oil but not to much or your ink will never dry. step 3 add blue and purple additive(like id let you know their chemical name) you dont need that much...this is the most important part. stir and now fill your marker and have fun........ ok some of you swear by brake fluid i personlly think from my own experience that adding it doesnt help tags leave ghosts after being buffed but thats me, so if you think that shit works add it........... now i will not explain what anything in hear is so if you dont know too fucking bad and if you cant come up on additive too bad. this ink is what kings use so if you dont know now you know nigga. your welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted December 5, 2003 Author Share Posted December 5, 2003 Originally posted by schick1 step 3 add blue and purple additive(like id let you know their chemical name) gentian violet, methylene blue. they're pretty easy to find on the internet / mail order. http://www.sciencelab.com/ is one place.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted December 5, 2003 Author Share Posted December 5, 2003 Originally posted by king kong http://www.dragonarts.net/cat132.jpg'> Chunghua Chinese Ink C-006 250ml, dark black, opague, excellent for Chinese / Sumi painting and calligraphy, fish printing, W/C ... so how is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Quickwood Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 gentian violet is an antiseptic, so you can get it at some drug stores. methylene blue is a stain they use to look at shit in microscopes, so you have to steal it from science class or get it from a sceince supply store. i found some methlyne blue in science class once, and it didn't seem to do shit. oh yeah, potassium permanganate is used in fish ponds to disinfect. brake fluid dosen't seem to do shit either, but i put a couple drops in my marker anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldBench Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 never use omega ink ahahahahah it's the shittiest ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
why write? Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Originally posted by rubbish heap gentian violet, methylene blue. like any kids in the US are going to find this shit anyway without getting it off the internet or mail order (that is based in europe). i got that methlyene blue in my science class, used dat shit today..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 upon further investigation... i called walgreens and asked if they carried gentian violet. the guy working there had no idea what i was talking about, so he forwarded me to the manager, who was dumbfounded and forwarded me to the pharmacist. turns out you can get that shit special order, over the counter in a small bottle for 10 dollars. i think i just may try it... :crazy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZYN Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 i just bought a pilot jumbo n' can't figure out how to take the top off. i tried to unscrew the the "nib" section after i took off the top but it wouldn't budge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Quickwood Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Originally posted by AMAZYN i just bought a pilot jumbo n' can't figure out how to take the top off. i tried to unscrew the the "nib" section after i took off the top but it wouldn't budge the plastic part unscrews, i forgot which way, but put a rubber band around it for a better grip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marks-a-lot Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 pilots unscrew the other way than normal, try twisting it like your closing a coke bottle, and if you look it says it on the fucking marker right under the cap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NA$H...26 Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 INKz computer toner with alchahol. pretty dirty or soak a stack of carbon paper in 100% alchahol thicken with cigarette ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS-1 Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Just so you know the ink in the aerosol art markers suck dick. It's all thin. Refill it with your own ink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRECKONIZE Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 thats because they are paint markers dumbass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxikbeast Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 good idea with tha computer toner, can you buy the ink by itsself anywhere, or doo you have to crack open an ink cartrage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parcheesey Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 add bleach to white mops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wa5te_pHk Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 i tried using bleach in a white mop (i think i was using kilz2 paint) and it didnt work at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chumbawumba Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 What Went Wrong? Maybe someone can help me on this. I had a pilot supercolor marker and i used it all up. I had nothing else and I really needed a marker to go out with my friends one night. All I had was some griffin. So I unscrewed the top and poured some griffin in. The cotton soaked it all up so I poured a little more in. I repeated this process until I noticed I had almost poured half the bottle of griffin into the marker. I figured it was time to stop and try it out. I turned it upside down and held it like that for a minute or two to start it off with a nice juicy tip to test on my wall. Then I turned it upright again. I opened the top and BLAM. The shit is dripping from the tip like a fucking ocean is packed inside it. This stains my beatiful linoleum flooring and makes mom real mad. Im really interested in why this happened? I always hear how pilots are the easiest marker to modify and shit. Everytime I open the marker it starts dripping like a motherfucker. I would really like to use this marker because it could be dope as fuck if one of you can tell me how to fix this. Thanks in advance. Chumbawumba. EDIT: Hey, also as you can see from my upper post that I'm not very educated with homemade markers and such... and I dont mean to be a bother to those who get pissed of by constant threads made about this matter but I'm just asking here so I can personally be assisted with it instead of making a whole new thread for it. How do I get the nib on? Do I super glue it? Do I just keep stuffing it until it stays in place? Once again I dont mean to be a bother but I would really appreciate someone politely answering this instead of busting my balls and calling me a toy. So huge props to whoever can do this for a brotha. Thanks again in advance. Chumbawumba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted January 1, 2004 Author Share Posted January 1, 2004 aight chumba heres the deal: after you refill a pilot with anything, and get it juicy, you need to hold it upside down over your ink container so the ink drips off the nib into the container. do this until the drips come down about every 7 seconds, and your pilot will be super juiced (and you'll save some ink). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbish heap Posted January 2, 2004 Author Share Posted January 2, 2004 and for getting a nib on a homemade marker, cut the nib a little big and than jam it in and it should stay, works fine for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chumbawumba Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Thanks alot man my pilot is working wonders now. Thanks for the nib help, too. I haven't tried it yet but I'm sure it'll work. I appreciate you helping me without bitching to me like alot of other writers here do. So thanks alot. Chumbawumba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS-1 Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 griffin sucks balls for markers. It's good for a few bold tags but then the ink starts to get thin. Never put shoe polish in a marker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destroya Posted January 4, 2004 Share Posted January 4, 2004 rather than a recipe for making ink, i want to know about the recipe of ones already made. what i need to know is what inks do and don't contain xylene, or any other strong smelling chemicals. truth is, i catch alot of tags with joe public in close proximity, and the pungent stench of death eminating from the xylene in say, a magnum really doesn't help my stance of being incognito. plus, i'm kinda fond of my remaining brain cells. to make it easier, here's a list of some inks: Marsh - OTR H2B - Montana - Corio - Nero - Aerosol Art Bombing - Pilot - City-Wide - Garvey - thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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