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Discussion in 'News' started by <KEY3>, Jan 12, 2005.

  1. <KEY3>

    <KEY3> Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 24, 2004 Messages: 6,878 Likes Received: 2
    What is 'wardriving'?
    • Wardriving is the gathering of statistics about wireless networks in a given area by listening for their publicly available broadcast beacons. Wireless access points (APs) announce their presence at set intervals (usually 100 milliseconds) by broadcasting a packet containing their service set identifier (SSID) and several other data items. A stumbling utility running on a portable computer of some sort (a laptop or PDA) listens for these broadcasts and records the data that the AP makes publicly available.
    Why 'war'?
    • This is kind of an unfortunate prefix, in these rather twitchy times. Wardriving has nothing whatsoever to do with war. The term is the offspring of the term wardialing, which was the (now mostly extinct) practice of dialing random phone numbers via computer to see if you could find an answer modem. Wardialing, in turn, came out of the 1983 cult movie War Games, in which a teenager got himself (and the rest of the world) into serious trouble by creating an autodialer that eventually found its way into a DOD computer programmed to wage nuclear war. The kid was looking for computers supporting online games and had no strong intent to "break into" anything—the problems that developed lay with an essentially undefended military computer.
    Is it legal?
    • The legality of wardriving hasn't been tested, but few people think that wardriving itself is illegal. What is certainly illegal is connecting to and using networks without the network owner's permission (which is what most people call "breaking into a network") and wardriving has taken some hits in the press because network crackers will sometimes use wardriving tools to locate networks to break into. It's the ancient conundrum of the uses to which tools are put: A crowbar is handy for taking apart pallets for use as firewood, but a crowbar can also be used to break into buildings. Should crowbars then be illegal? Hardly. The gotcha is that this is a very new phenomenon, and the law hasn't entirely caught up with networking as a whole, much less the peripheral issues that emerge with regularity from the seething cauldron of technology innovation.

      To keep wardriving legal, it's important to 1) obey the law as it exists today, and 2) do our best to encourage journalists to draw the distinction between wardriving tools and their abuse by crackers. Public perception is extremely important. If you connect to other people's networks illegally, it's your butt in a sling and nobody else's, but if you brag about it and the press picks it up, you hurt us all.
    here's a basic code of ethics:

    Don't look.
    Don't touch.
    Don't play through.

    • In other words, 1) don't examine the contents of a network; 2) don't add, delete, or change anything on the network, and 3) don't even use the network's Internet connection for Web surfing, email, chat, FTP, or anything else. Somebody else paid for the bandwidth, and if you don't have permission to use it, you're stealing it. Basically, unless you have permission, don't connect. Consider it a matter of personal honor, even when it's unlikely that you'll be caught. (If you get too used to feeling that you won't get caught, sooner or later you will get caught!)
    so anyone have any thoughts on this practice?
    do you take steps to protect your wireless network?
    would you connect to the starbucks across the street if you could?

    let's discuss.
  2. heavyLox

    heavyLox Veteran Member

    Joined: Feb 2, 2002 Messages: 7,196 Likes Received: 17
    seems like the basic ethics are like traffic lights many fools see them as suggestions to be ignored.

    I hit starbucks today and hopped on the T-moblie network for free. I havent done it before so for a second i was a super genius unitl i decided that the network wasnt dsigned to keep Macs out.
  3. SteveAustin

    SteveAustin Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 12, 2002 Messages: 7,042 Likes Received: 2
    one of my boys connections went through my neighborhood wardriving to see if he could set me up with option #3.

    personally, I'd think you'd have to be stupid not to protect it.
  4. <KEY3>

    <KEY3> Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 24, 2004 Messages: 6,878 Likes Received: 2
    I'm leaning towards the attitude that 'if you dont protect it, it deserves to be acessed'.
    However snooping though personal files or causing damage isn't good form.

    Dont blame the oppourtunist burglar who walked in you open front door.
  5. effyoo

    effyoo Elite Member

    Joined: Sep 2, 2002 Messages: 4,703 Likes Received: 0
    i'm part of that group, key. i wouldn't go out of my way to get free internet access, but if all i have to do is turn on my computer, i'll take it. thats an extra $40 a month i can blow on hookers and booze.
  6. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8

    thats fucked up logic...now granted people need to be aware and "lock" their doors, not walk down dark alleys etc etc, but in no way in a society such as ours does an unlocked door give anyone any sort of right to take or invade someones property...

    its borderline to the logic that people sometimes use to victimize the victim of say a rape, by saying she deserved it...
  7. <KEY3>

    <KEY3> Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 24, 2004 Messages: 6,878 Likes Received: 2
    yes mental... I dont agree with the 'blame the victim' ideal either,
    but when it comes to this subject, not rape or murder, it's your own
    fault if you dont protect your self. Like useing '1234' as your bank
    PIN... it's just not smart to leave things unprotected.

    and effyou..... so after about half a year you have enough to get drunk with a pretty girl?
  8. GnomeToys

    GnomeToys Elite Member

    Joined: Jun 24, 2003 Messages: 2,616 Likes Received: 4
    It is so goddamn easy to set up a quick password for your wireless network that I have no sympathy for those who are broadcasting free internet to their neighborhoods.
  9. dojafx

    dojafx Member

    Joined: Nov 20, 2001 Messages: 831 Likes Received: 0
    it seems as though it would be difficult to trace a computer who illegaly accessed one of these unsecured networks, is it possible, what would be needed to trace a computer who broke into a wi-fi network?
  10. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    ha....you said it not me zesto....slice that white bread how you see fit....

    ps....im glad i have dial up with you bastards lurking...
  11. <KEY3>

    <KEY3> Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 24, 2004 Messages: 6,878 Likes Received: 2
    zesto said nothing......

    but I hear that mofluck is online for free right now!!!!

    haha... there's 6 open networks to pick from right here.... in my... errr.... his room [no deto]
  12. villain

    villain Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2002 Messages: 5,190 Likes Received: 2
    Philidelphia soon to have free wi-fi for all!
    New wi-fi protocol 802.16 to provide service for a 30 mi radius from towers!
    Oh and protect ya neck....
  13. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 235
    i have unsecured wifi right now...does that mean someone can sit outside my house and somehow pull files off my computer? if so, how? and how do i set up a password or something so you can't just connect to my shit?

    i dont really give a shit if someone jacks my bandwidth, but obviously i dont want them fucking with my files.
  14. <KEY3>

    <KEY3> Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 24, 2004 Messages: 6,878 Likes Received: 2
    I'm pretty sure that all wireless hubs have a small scale linux OS
    running that serves as a firewall and some kind of protection.
    I dont think you should worry (seeking) about someone grabbing
    your shit. As long as you need a password to log on to your computer,
    then you've built enough safety to keep the curious out. The malicious
    will probably get in no matter what you do.

    as far as someone just using the bandwidth.... is not really an issue.
    The speeds you get via wireless aren't going to cap your upload limits.
  15. casekonly

    casekonly Veteran Member

    Joined: Aug 6, 2002 Messages: 8,264 Likes Received: 5
    go for it. i hear canucks get to have dsl lite that's wayyyyy faster than dsl here. fcc sucks here.

    wardriving means extra cash for you.