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Noone gave a shit about blue collar...

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by villain, Mar 13, 2004.

  1. villain

    villain Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2002 Messages: 5,190 Likes Received: 2
    But now the white collar will see what God this nation truly serves... I hope you can afford 12 masters degrees to find a job in the future. :D

    San Jose, Calif.-Area High-Tech Workers Nervously Eye Work Flowing Overseas
    San Jose Mercury News, Calif. - November 10, 2003
    Nov. 10--When Natasha Humphries went to Bangalore, India, in December to train Indian contract workers to do quality-assurance testing for her employer, Palm, she realized that her own job coordinating that work could be done by local workers there, as well. "I'm fairly intuitive -- I saw the writing on the wall," said the 30-year-old Santa Clara resident.

    Humphries was indeed laid off in August. Her former employer, now known as palmOne, says her layoff was not directly related to its outsourcing in India. Humphries, however, disagrees. And in unemployment, she has become an activist.

    "I am not angry with companies for trying to conserve costs, but at the same time, we do have to acknowledge that it's going to create more problems for us domestically if we don't create more jobs for U.S. citizens," said Humphries in an interview last month before she testified in front of a congressional committee examining the effect of white-collar jobs moving overseas.

    With the American economy finally gathering steam but employment growth still uncertain, the offshoring of U.S. tech and service jobs has become a hot-button issue. It has challenged the economic futures of white-collar workers and stirred the globalization debate like never before.

    On one side are American workers in Silicon Valley and elsewhere who feel anger, fear and profound uncertainty as white-collar tech jobs quickly move to lower-cost countries like India and China. Offshoring has sparked a small backlash of grass-roots protests from New York to California and spurred protectionist legislation in eight states. The issue promises to become a contentious election-year topic.

    On the other side are business executives and economists who argue that the offshoring of jobs is unstoppable and ultimately healthy for the United States, spurring this country to shed certain jobs and create more sophisticated ones in order to stay atop the ladder of innovation. The shift of tech work overseas is just the latest chapter in decades of globalization, they argue.

    "I think overall, long term, the U.S. economy can take it. But there's going to be a huge amount of restructuring pain," said Rafiq Dossani, senior research scholar at Stanford University and co-author of a major offshoring study.

    Such forecasts are of little comfort to the tens of thousands of tech workers -- many of them in the valley -- who have seen their companies create jobs in India, China and other countries even as they lay off workers here.

    While not every job created overseas is the result of a layoff in the United States, it's clear that demand for technical talent in India is taking off -- to the point that companies are recruiting in Silicon Valley for positions in India. About 40 tech companies did just that last week at a job fair in Santa Clara. About 750 job hunters attended, most of Indian origin, according to Karthik Sundaram, managing editor of siliconindia magazine, which organized the fair.

    Yet some American workers see a direct connection between the job boom overseas and their own unemployment.

    Humphries, for instance, said that she was let go after a lower-paid worker in India filled in for her during a 10-day vacation. She is now helping lead TechsUnite SV, a local group protesting the movement of U.S. jobs overseas.

    But Milpitas-based palmOne says both the layoff and the outsourcing were part of a larger business restructuring, and the specific work Humphries used to do is still being done in Silicon Valley.

    Whether or not she was directly replaced by an Indian worker, Humphries embodies the worker angst now sweeping the tech workforce in the United States.

    "What Humphries represents -- having had to train her own successor -- that's like digging your own grave," said Rep. Don Manzullo, R-Ill., chairman of the House Small Business Committee, who has proposed a new wave of "Buy American" legislation to limit federal agencies from outsourcing government jobs overseas.

    Worries over being displaced have spurred some American workers into action. In one local protest this fall, about 40 offshoring opponents and unemployed workers took to a street corner in Concord, waving signs with slogans such as "Will Code for Food."

    One programmer at the protest said she has watched her employer, Kaiser Permanente, shift jobs to a contractor in India. "They say they're freeing us up to do more exciting jobs and sending more mundane work to Indian companies," said the programmer, who asked that her name not be printed. "Nobody believes them."

    Kaiser Vice President Mary Henderson acknowledged the company has transferred about 200 information-technology jobs to Indian companies, paying between $25 and $30 an hour instead of $80 to $100 an hour in the United States. No Kaiser employees have been laid off because of the shift to foreign contractors, Henderson added, but some Kaiser workers have been moved to other positions and had to train Indian workers to do their old jobs.

    Cynthia Chin-Lee of Palo Alto began looking for work after she was laid off in the summer of 2002 from her job as a documentation manager at software firm i2. After several months, she landed a full-time position as a technical writer with software firm Remedy in Mountain View. Still, Chin-Lee said she feels "bewilderment and worry" as she sees more technical writing jobs move overseas. "It does make me think, maybe I need to develop some other skills."

    What's making the loss of jobs all the more scary for tech workers is the speed with which companies can now send jobs overseas because of today's sophisticated communications technology. "Thousands of jobs can literally be moved to India overnight. Last week, three of my friends' jobs moved there. That's just the experience of one person," said Arvinder Loomba, professor of operations and international supply chain management at San Jose State University.

    Indeed, say economists and historians, tech jobs seem to be moving to India faster than manufacturing jobs moved overseas in decades past. "What that means is there could be much less adjustment time," said Martin Kenney, professor of Human and Community Development at the University of California-Davis, who co-authored the offshoring study with Dossani.

    Some lawmakers are feeling a need to respond to the trend. With union support, legislation has been proposed in eight states to limit offshoring. None of the bills has yet become law.

    In New Jersey, a bill to outlaw offshoring of state jobs passed the state Senate unanimously after legislators discovered that welfare recipients were calling Mumbai, India, when they had questions about their food-stamp payments. The bill was defeated by the full legislature after technology trade groups lobbied against it. But the state did move about 10 welfare department jobs back to New Jersey -- at a cost of more than $1 million a job.

    While cases like New Jersey's may be an exception, many executives, economists and academics say that offshoring jobs ultimately helps American companies compete in a global economy, especially in tight economic times. And companies say that to stay competitive, they have no choice but to hire the low-cost labor available.

    "In business, there are only two levers: the cost side and the revenue side. Since the economy is not improving, you redirect your cost. There's no other way," said Ajit Gupta, chief executive and co-founder of Santa Clara-based Speedera Networks.

    In fact, India's National Association of Software and Service Companies, the country's largest technology trade group, offers numerous studies to U.S. lawmakers arguing that offshoring is a "win-win" for both India and the United States, saving U.S. companies money to reinvest at home.

    "The development of software has to continue somewhere for the betterment of everyone, and if U.S companies cannot afford to do it, then it wouldn't happen at all if not for here in India," said Nishith Desai, whose Mumbai law firm is the leading legal adviser to U.S. companies moving jobs to India.

    Yet for all their talk of competitiveness and long-term strategy, corporations are sensitive to the negative imagery of hiring overseas workers while laying off Americans. They have begun shunning the dreaded "O" words -- "offshoring" and "outsourcing" -- using instead gentler-sounding, more generic terms like "sourcing," "multishoring" and "partnerships."

    "We don't even use the term 'outsourcing." We believe it has a negative historical reference," said David Sanders, senior vice president of BearingPoint, a global consulting firm in McLean, Va. "We simply call it 'sourcing." We find the best source for particular work, no matter what country."

    Most economists, executives and academics say they're hopeful that, as it has in the past, the United States will more than survive the latest wave of offshoring.

    "It has always been the trend that as soon as technology products and services become commodities, then they face competition from overseas producers," said Steve Cochrane, senior economist at Economy.com. "The American economy and the global economy have been going through this transformation ever since the 1960s, at least."

    William Miller, professor emeritus at Stanford University and chairman of Borland Software, said he believes the valley's workforce will change even more as the latest offshoring trend plays out. Williams pointed to the example of software employment in the valley, which made up about 5 percent of tech employment locally in 1975, and grew to its current 40 percent, as markets changed. In the future, the bulk of workers will have to move on to new technologies and higher-level jobs, he said.

    Silicon Valley has long been vulnerable to competition from less expensive places -- both inside and outside the United States. The key to the valley's future, experts say, is in a new wave of innovation, maybe in nanotechnology, biotech or something else.

    While new jobs are likely to emerge, the transition could be difficult for many workers, especially those who are too old to easily switch to another profession but too young to retire on savings.

    Chris Parkes, for instance, is hedging his bets. The 45-year-old Moraga resident cashed in his 401(k) to pay living expenses after he lost his job as an electronics engineer in October 2001. After almost a year of fruitless job hunting, which he attributes at least partly to companies sending work overseas, Parkes decided to follow in his mother's and grandmother's footsteps and become a nurse. He is taking out loans to pay for his training.

    Parkes eventually found an engineering job with a state agency, but he is continuing his nursing training just in case.

    The changes taking place in the U.S. economy leave Parkes, like many workers, uneasy at best about the future: He sees U.S. workers being left behind by globalization.

    "I think people identify our economy with the corporation: If we can get the corporation to do well, that's good for the citizens," he said. "That's not true with the way things are in a global economy. The corporation can save money by having the work done elsewhere."

    By Aaron Davis and Margaret Steen

    ----- To see more of the San Jose Mercury News, or to subscribe to the newspaper, go to http://www.mercurynews.com.

    © 2003, San Jose Mercury News, Calif. Distributed by Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News.
  2. villain

    villain Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2002 Messages: 5,190 Likes Received: 2
    Workplace Forecasts
    Partner's Report The Monthly Update for CPA Firm Owners - February 10, 2004
    Originally Published:20040201.

    Predictions about workplace and workforce trends for this year, from Robert Herman and Joyce Gioia of The Herman Group (www.hermangroup.com):

    * If the gains in the economy prove real, employees will feel more secure and this will stimulate unprecedented churning in the labor marketplace, threatening corporate stability and client service. This will be especially true for employers who have taken their workers for granted in recent years.

    * Related to the above factor will be a severe shortage in skilled labor, resulting in a "sellers' market." Corporations will become more aggressive about attracting and retaining top talent.

    * Economic issues and shortages of skilled labor in the U.S. will force even more jobs to other countries. But jobs will return to the U.S. if employers are dissatisfied with the way the work is done abroad.

    * Retirees will move into jobs in other fields, start their own businesses, and engage in other activities to remain active and productive.

    * Corporate development programs will reach out to new employees and existing staff.

    * Leadership development will take on new importance as employers discover serious inadequacies in their programs. Proof of leadership skills will be required before managers move up.

    * Work arrangements will continue to expand beyond the traditional ones, as flexible hours, working from home, and using technology to work at remote locations grow in popularity.

    * More workers will become independent contractors, selling their services on a project, contract, or set-term basis. This will stimulate specialized staffing firms to emerge and electronic communities to connect workers with employers.

    Source: AccountingWeb (www. accountingweb.com)

    © 2004 Partner's Report The Monthly Update for CPA Firm Owners. via ProQuest Information and Learning Company; All Rights Reserved

  3. Dr. Dazzle

    Dr. Dazzle Veteran Member

    Joined: Nov 19, 2001 Messages: 8,147 Likes Received: 3
    It's kinda like how entrance requirements to universities are getting more and more rediculous. THEY are weeding out the regular folks, to create a race of superhuman Aryan/Chinese hybrids....
  4. villain

    villain Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2002 Messages: 5,190 Likes Received: 2
    Ahohoho.... What a sinister plot indeed.
    Not to mention the exorbitant costs of college these days.

    I'm going to start a roving band of pirates so if anyone cares to join me.... :D
  5. johnny

    johnny Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Feb 15, 2003 Messages: 7,231 Likes Received: 16
    i'm blue collar all the way
  6. 26SidedCube

    26SidedCube Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 18, 2003 Messages: 6,590 Likes Received: 10
    Yes, the common man is fucked.

    Shit on by the rich and hated by the poor.
    Then again... every group is hated by the
    other two groups. Oh well, fuck it. Loans,
    grants and aid programs, I suppose. That
    or live paycheck to paycheck and be self-
    suffiecient. Either way you're gonna die
    and in 100 years no one will remember
    you. Fuck it, have fun.
  7. rental

    rental Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jul 1, 2001 Messages: 7,641 Likes Received: 2

    i bet johnny's hot.
  8. villain

    villain Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2002 Messages: 5,190 Likes Received: 2

    Blue colla bruvah!

    I keep picturing johnny as like the son of the Fonz.
  9. ODS-1

    ODS-1 Elite Member

    Joined: Jul 21, 2003 Messages: 3,575 Likes Received: 0
    It's INSANE how many white collar jobs are being lost in Kentucky.
    Probably almost 1000 in the past few months.
    CLASS WAR [email protected]!
  10. villain

    villain Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2002 Messages: 5,190 Likes Received: 2
    Serious? Damn that's alot. We've lost a TON of jobs during this administration. Literally MILLIONS!
    I haven't really felt the immediate effects being in the military....
  11. metallix

    metallix Elite Member

    Joined: Oct 7, 2001 Messages: 2,955 Likes Received: 1
  12. gfreshsushi

    gfreshsushi Senior Member

    Joined: Sep 21, 2003 Messages: 2,244 Likes Received: 1
    cynical, but correct.
  13. villain

    villain Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2002 Messages: 5,190 Likes Received: 2
    ^^^^Nyaaahh... Your falling right into their hands. Splurging your life away on meaningless crap. You are their best customer. This is like paying for your own death.
  14. villain

    villain Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2002 Messages: 5,190 Likes Received: 2
    For any of yall who suffer from this pandemic job shortage...

    Here's some tips to help you find that job you are looking for.

    Job-hunting trends for 2004-Career Expert Cites Tactics That are 'In' and 'Out' When Looking for Work
    Canada NewsWire - January 28, 2004
    TORONTO, Jan 28, 2004 (Canada NewsWire via COMTEX) -- Just as tastes in clothing and music change over time, so do the preferences of hiring managers, notes Tracey Turner, executive director of The Creative Group, a specialized staffing firm placing creative, advertising, marketing and web professionals. According to Turner, candidates who understand the current mindset of employers have an edge in the job hunt.

    "Today's managers are risk-averse; they simply cannot afford to make hiring mistakes. As a result, they're interested in applicants with a documented record of success," says Turner. "For job candidates this means being able to show, not just tell, what they can do. Words hold very little weight right now; employers want proof of a professional's abilities."

    Turner says that more information is better than less when applying for jobs. "Employers are willing to spend added time reviewing resumes and cover letters, so these materials can be more detailed than in the past. Candidates also should be prepared for a lengthier interview process, including meetings with potential peers."

    Adds Turner, "Professionals must ensure their resumes reflect their achievements in former positions and illustrate all of the skills they bring to the table, since companies may be hiring one person to fill what was once several different roles."

    Following are job-hunting tactics that Turner says are "in" and "out" for 2004:

    Out In


    Using terms such as "team player" Citing specific examples that and "results-driven" demonstrate these sought-after traits


    One-page resumes for people with Two- to three-page resumes that seven or more years of experience highlight quantifiable achievements


    Functional resumes organized Resumes that list work experience around skills and experience in reverse chronological order


    Trying to camouflage employment Explaining gaps in the cover letter, gaps noting current activities (part-time or temporary work, volunteering, etc.)


    Relying on want ads for job leads Sending resumes to a "target list" of companies you want to work for


    Networking only within your Networking within and outside of industry your industry, as well as online


    Vague or embellished answers to Real-life examples that illustrate standard interview questions the points you're making


    References with impressive titles A variety of well-informed who don't know you very well references, including former peers


    Telling the interviewer you want Offering to assume the role on a the job trial basis


    "Pursuing temporary-to-hire positions can be a wise move, as a growing number of employers want to ensure a candidate is a fit before extending an offer of full-time employment," says Wendy Fox, division director for The Creative Group.

    The Creative Group has offices in major markets across the United States and in Canada, and offers online job search services at www.creativegroup.com.

    VIEW ADDITIONAL COMPANY-SPECIFIC INFORMATION: http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/orgDisp....cgi?okey=40453

    CONTACT: For further information: Wendy Fox, (416) 365-2010 x253,


    Copyright © 2004 CNW, All Rights Reserved

    Good luck. Basically it's saying that employers want to be able to stick a quarter in your mouth and have you lay golden eggs.
  15. Pfffffffffft

    Pfffffffffft Moderator Crew

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