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Herb Question, please read..

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by shameless self promotion, Nov 17, 2001.

  1. shameless self promotion

    shameless self promotion 12oz Legend

    Joined: Mar 7, 2001 Messages: 16,306 Likes Received: 104
    hey, one of my boys says that if you put stems and shit in to vodka or some kind of alcohol and leave it sit for a long long while it will get ya high as shit, im thinking that this is mos def untrue and that the vodka is what will fuck ya up, not the stems and shit of the herb...anyone ever heard/tried this? Thanks for any info..
     
  2. dirtysicks

    dirtysicks Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 5, 2001 Messages: 1,203 Likes Received: 0
    oK KIDDIES....WHAT YOU REALLY WANNA DO IS TAKE THOSE SAME STEMS WITH YOU TO SCIENCE CLASS....YOU SEE THE JARS THAT THE ANIMAL CORPSES ARE STORED IN......DIP THE STEMS IN THERE....NOW SMOKE THAT BUDDY.........
    GET ENBALMED 2002..
     
  3. Pistol

    Pistol Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jul 12, 2001 Messages: 19,358 Likes Received: 298
    As far as I know stems and seeds have little to no THC(the shit that gets you buzzed). Thats why you throw the stems and seeds out the joint. It's the buds that have the highest concentration of THC, with the leaves having average amounts.
     
  4. garcia_vega

    garcia_vega Elite Member

    Joined: Jan 6, 2001 Messages: 2,931 Likes Received: 2
    pistol got it right on. stems have a little thc but not much.
     
  5. shameless self promotion

    shameless self promotion 12oz Legend

    Joined: Mar 7, 2001 Messages: 16,306 Likes Received: 104
    alright cool thanks guys, thats what i thought when he told me the story...so i guess hes bullshittin, ill tell him later, im gonna enjoy my high......like mammero...Joints!

    shamelesssssssssssssssss.......
     
  6. EatMorGlue

    EatMorGlue Senior Member

    Joined: Dec 22, 2000 Messages: 1,919 Likes Received: 1
    i've read about this method elsewhere, but i can't remember if they put stems in the alcohol or just weed. i think it was just weed.

    but i do know that it is possible to extract the thc from non-smokables like stems and husks and leaves. hash is made from non-smokeable parts of the plant. check out the reference sections at hightimes.com if it ever gets fixed, as far as i know it's still down. the question and answer part has tons of good info about stuff like this and also anything and everything you might ever want to know about pot.
     
  7. Seek One

    Seek One Elite Member

    Joined: Nov 26, 2000 Messages: 2,666 Likes Received: 0
    if the stems are fromreal good bud u can smoke em and get a decent buzz from it other than that they dont do shit but soaking weed in alcohol wont do anything anyway the thc has to be burned or cooked to be work.
     
  8. Smart

    Smart Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Apr 14, 2000 Messages: 17,017 Likes Received: 174
    it doesn't need to be burned or cooked? you can eat that shit off the stem and get fucked up... I've seen some people put tobacco in vodka but I never really knew what it was supposed to do...
     
  9. suburbian bum

    suburbian bum 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Jan 30, 2001 Messages: 14,673 Likes Received: 3
    Pot gets you buzzed? i thought it got you like, anti buzzed...
     
  10. SPLINTER

    SPLINTER Guest

    ah mister SMARTguy i thought you were gonna bust out the real method to extract the THC. but maybe its a new thing and you do happen to be about twice my age so i forgive you :D .

    the only way that you can truly get the most thc from your
    stem/seeds/shadeleaves/unsmokables is the following method from erowid.

    Hash Honey Oil
    The Boffo Butane-PVC Hash Oil Extractor
    Trash leaf to honey oil in minutes
    by Indra - 5/1/99
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    For those of us who never quite got over the loss when fine-quality hash oil disappeared from the market, and for cannabis connoisseurs of all ages everywhere, it would be my honor to write up what has to be the easiest, highest-yielding and most selective cannabis oil extraction method available to date.
    This method has its basis in a fascinating industrial extraction method known as Supercritical Fluid Extraction. It uses totally over-the-counter butane gas (8 oz can, camping supply store, ~US$4.50) as the extraction solvent, and requires nothing even remotely suspicious or difficult to purchase. The only other thing needed is about $2.00 worth of PVC pipe: a section 1.5 (one and a half) feet long and 1 & 3/4" diameter (outer diameter I believe), and two end caps. Threaded PVC is not necessary.
    For reasons not yet clear to those of us investigating these things "unofficially," butane (and perhaps other gas/solvents with similar ultra-low-boiling properties) selectively solvate the desirable fraction(s) of cannabis oils, pulling out only a beautiful amber "honey oil" and leaving the undesirable vegetative oils, waxes, chlorophyll, etc. behind in the plant matter. Even unsmokable shade leaves produce a wonderfully clean and potent gold oil with this method. I have every reason to suspect that this would work splendidly to extract a super-strong and tasty oil from gross, unpalatable "schwag" commercial pot too, and of course, the better grade of herb you put it in, the better the resulting oil.
    METHOD:

    1. In one of the PVC end caps, drill a single small hole in the center. This hole should be correctly sized to snugly receive the little outlet nozzle of your butane can.
    2. In the other end cap, drill a group of 5 or 6 small holes clustered in the center (like a pepper shaker).
    3. After putting a piece of paper towel or coffee filter inside it for filtration, put the end cap with several holes on one end of the pipe. Push it on there real tight. This is the bottom.
    4. Fill the pipe up with plant matter that has been pulverized into a coarse powder. You want it filled, but not packed down. (Full pipe estimated at 1.5 oz capacity, but this is a guess. I did not weigh it.)
    5. Place the top end cap on the pipe. Again, push it on as securely as you can by hand.
    6. Find a location outdoors with a decent breeze. You want these butane fumes to be quickly carried away. Seriously.
    a. Mount the pipe (single hole-side up) over a vessel that can hold 300mL+. Beakers are perfect. A lab stand and clamp are ideal for the mounting, but a regular shop clamp or anything that can hold it sturdily is fine. (Avoid metal if you can, to reduce the chance of sparks.) Position the bottom end of the pipe immediately over (1-2") the receiving vessel to eliminate splatter loss.
    7. Turn the butane gas can upside down and dispense the gas into the pipe via the single top hole. A whole 8-oz can takes about 10-12 seconds to evacuate. Be brave, swift, and careful. A spark at this moment would spell disaster since you have basically created an incendiary explosive device that is leaking.
    8. When you've exhausted the can into the pipe, back off to a nice distance and let it do its thing.

    The butane moves down the pipe, extracting the cannabis as it goes. When it gets to the bottom (~30 seconds after dispensing), it begins to drain into the receiving vessel. Notice the pale, glowing yellow-green-gold hue of the extract. It is obvious no chlorophyll was pulled out of the herb.
    Over approximately five to eight minutes, the butane extract will finish draining from the pipe to the receiving vessel. Maintain caution with the pipe, however, since there is a lot of residual butane still evaporating from within the pipe (notice the stream of fumes coming from the top hole). When it slows down to a drop every few seconds, you can tap on the top hole with your finger and it will help push the last of the liquid butane out (or one can gently blow into the top hole to do the same thing). Remember, NO SMOKING, unless you wish to immolate yourself in grand fashion.
    Being very low-boiling and volatile, the collected butane will likely begin boiling at ambient temperature. The receiving vessel will gradually frost up as the butane cools it down, slowing down its rate of evaporation, but you can speed this up again simply by holding it in your hands. A better way is to set it in a saucepan containing a little bit of warm water. Watch the butane start bubbling madly with the increase in temperature and marvel at its low boiling point. Again, be doing this outdoors with a nice breeze! It takes about 20 minutes or so to allow the butane to evaporate, or quicker if you help it along. You are left with a deep amber, almost orange oil of amazing purity.
    The best way to collect and store the oil is probably to let all of the butane evaporate off and then redissolve the oil in some anhydrous or high-% alcohol, and then pour this into a vial and let it sit out for a day or two to allow the alcohol to evaporate. Trying to transfer the oil into a small container while it is still solvated by the butane is too risky. I learned the hard way about this, thanks to the volatile temperament of butane. I had filled a vial almost all the way to the top and was preparing to drop those last couple drops in, so that cleverly, I could let the last of the butane evaporate from the vial and the oil would all be neatly contained. But when the last drop hit the mother lode in the vial, it changed the temperature of the solution in the vial upward by a hair and it all "superboiled" out of the vial and onto my fingers, which of course startled me and caused me to drop the vial. I suggest dissolving it in alcohol as I mentioned above. If you can get pure or 99% isopropanol (isopropyl), use it, because THC's photosensitivity reportedly does not occur in isopropanol.
    The final product is a deep yellow-amber oil of the highest quality, incredibly pure and potent. I remember well some of the prime "honey oil" hash oils that hit the market in the late 1970s, and this stuff stands up to (if not exceeds) any of them. It's amazing how this method extracts only the good fraction and leaves the junk in the weed. But that's exactly what it does. Note also that this oil has a somewhat higher melt/vaporization point than traditional hash oils; the traditional dispensing method (dipping a needle or paper clip in, getting some goop on the end, and warming it with a flame to get it to drip off into your bowl) still works with this stuff, but it seems you have to be more careful with it because it doesn't heat to liquid state as quickly or in the same manner, and it can more easily be allowed to burn up on your needle. So be careful.
    Those who prefer a tincture-like preparation can of course thin the product a little with a bit of warm high-percentage alcohol like Everclear or 90-whatever-% isopropyl, then drop it onto buds or let a joint absorb some, then let the alcohol evaporate. I also observed that unlike hash oil derived from traditional methods, this product is not immediately soluble in room-temp alcohol; it needed to be warmed before it dissolved fully.


    EROWID Some concern has been expressed about the possibility of a PVC residue in the final product. This has not been verified, but a possible solution would be to use steel instead

    i suggest you use steel kids :D
     
  11. Dirty_habiT

    Dirty_habiT Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Mar 8, 2001 Messages: 18,058 Likes Received: 48
    Bump for those not smokin the hash oil.
     
  12. dai

    dai Senior Member

    Joined: Oct 30, 2001 Messages: 1,052 Likes Received: 0
    i've had this drink your talkin about, it's called green dragon. take a bottle of vodka and like an eighth of midgrade (schwag if your a broke bitch). fill the bottle with bud, and let it sit outside in the sun for a day while goin outside to shake it every now and then. if the vodka has a greenish-yellowish tint to it, strain out the bud, put the vodka back in the bottle and put it in the freezer for an hour or two (liqour doesn't freeze). shit will get you nice and drunk. gives you that weird body high that ingesting bud gives you the next day though.
     
  13. suburbian bum

    suburbian bum 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Jan 30, 2001 Messages: 14,673 Likes Received: 3
    dont use pvc pipe that shit is really bad for you.
     
  14. Pistol

    Pistol Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jul 12, 2001 Messages: 19,358 Likes Received: 298
    Ahh! The Sweet smell of a honey dipped marijuana joint....those were the days....
     
  15. Smart

    Smart Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Apr 14, 2000 Messages: 17,017 Likes Received: 174
    Damn Splint, I thought I was the mad scientist w/ my weed butter work... that shit's some crank lab style stuff... definately avoid PVC and don't use copper either, galvanized is also iffy, but with stainless this shit would be freakin nuts, a person could double harvest production and cut waste in half...
     
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