justjedd Posted October 10, 2001 Share Posted October 10, 2001 Sorry, I couldn't decide if this belonged here or in the yard.. I'm sure the 12oz boys won't like the subject anywhoo. So, did anyone else see that ArtCrimes started selling caps? It seems (to me) that they have fair prices. I usually get caps for free off of friends.. *SHRUGS* Check it out : http://www.artcrimes.com/wam/index.html On that note.. it's cool that they tell you which cans they work on (a first I've seen) but I wish they said the differences in flow or what have you. Can someone here tell me, of the fat caps on there, which are the best (or, biggest I should say)? Does anyone know where else to get REALLY bib tips? Like the kind they use in DirtyHands to pull off those whole cars.. -> Jedd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AREANKAY Posted October 10, 2001 Share Posted October 10, 2001 there caps arent that cheap $14 for 50 of the german jumbo caps and and all the other german caps other sites have the sames caps for $9 for 50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24HOURS Posted October 10, 2001 Share Posted October 10, 2001 Prices Those are Fair prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Remy Martin Posted October 10, 2001 Share Posted October 10, 2001 plus that site is the core of the internet graffiti culture. its a incredible service done and Susan and Bret are super cool. So help em out and pay their prices. and if you need european caps that bad, chances are your either stocked in european paint or in europe..soft balls, rustos, and phantoms is all you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seek One Posted October 11, 2001 Share Posted October 11, 2001 those are some of the better prices i've seen in a while maybe not for the germans but the NY's especially Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CATS Posted October 11, 2001 Share Posted October 11, 2001 Survey Says.... No one cares, we all asses and will get our caps when and however we please. Should have posted this under one of the three hundred threads for caps. someone give this the boot.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Remy Martin Posted October 11, 2001 Share Posted October 11, 2001 fuck that, artcrimes deserves the profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wakassOATH Posted October 11, 2001 Share Posted October 11, 2001 thats true art crimes does deserve it i also like how they seel them in 500s usally when i buy caps i want to get some freinds in on it 100 is too little and 1000 are too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyEdEa Posted October 11, 2001 Share Posted October 11, 2001 support www.X2project.com and www.Beatbreaks.com for caps and supplies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justjedd Posted October 11, 2001 Author Share Posted October 11, 2001 The reason why I posted this here was because, I as well, feel that Susan and Brett are extremely important people (in the world of net graffiti at least). I've never met them, but I have spoken with Susan online before and they seem like very decent, deserving people. This doesn't mean that they are the ONLY ones that deserve it tho.. I don't know anything about any of the other companies selling tips. Also, I posted a separate topic because I wanted to know about Fat tips and especially those sold on AC. It seems like there is a lot of misunderstanding on the internet these days... *sighs* -> Jedd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d struk Posted October 11, 2001 Share Posted October 11, 2001 phat caps. i get 100 for 10$ thats factory direct no fuckin around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdz Posted October 11, 2001 Share Posted October 11, 2001 get caps from beatbreaks.com they have the best prices i've found over the net. props to artcrimes for the descriptions. most sites dont get into it that much. -cdz $0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 We need your support The facts: * Art Crimes is selling caps finally, and we're doing it as cheaply as we can and still make a buck. * We're doing this because we are desperate to keep our site online, along with the 50 other sites we host on graffiti.org * It costs us about $700 per month to pay for the bandwidth we use, at wholesale rate. * I've been paying that money out of my own pocket for a long long time. I can't do that forever, so AC needs to be self-supporting soon. So we really need your support to keep doing what we do. No offense to the other sites who sell caps, but we think we offer more to the graffiti community than most sites do, and we've been doing it for 7 years at great cost to ourselves in terms of time and money. If you want to see us stay online, along with sites like Daim, Lokiss, the site formerly known as Digital Jungle (Location 12), Eyegasm, Seak, Neck, Sins, Wow123, Escape Melbourne, Giant, etc etc, then please vote with your cap dollars. We'll have some variety packs soon so you can try out all the kinds. Thank you! Susan Art Crimes http://www.graffiti.org/wam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdz Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 word to susan. everyone should really think about what she said. she offers a lot to the graff community online. -cdz $0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donniefrisco Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 i ordered caps from Artcrimes, and they came really quick...less than a week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dusty Lipschitz Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 some mod needs to throw this on the post-it note status and sticky this jawn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr8oholic Posted October 18, 2001 Share Posted October 18, 2001 OFFER MORE CREDIT CARDS!!! i'd love to spend my money with you guys but you dont take amex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan Posted October 19, 2001 Share Posted October 19, 2001 amex Hmm. I didn't even know we don't take AmEx, because we use PayPal and can only accept what they accept. I have no clue why they don't, because they don't say. I know AmEx has been nasty to merchants for the last several years though, and I stopped using my AmEx card simply because it was being accepted less and less and it charged me more and more. The good news is that you don't have to have a credit card at all to use PayPal. You can use your checking account or your ATM/debit card ("check card"). When it is simply impossible to do it any other way (for instance you are in a country that PayPal doesn't support or you have AmEx card only) we can accept payment in the form of an amazon.com gift certificate instead of cash. Drop me a line at winsom@graffiti.org if you want to arrange to do that. Tell me what you want to buy and I'll explain the process. It's easy. Thanks again for your support, moral and otherwise. Peace, Susan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratodab Posted October 20, 2001 Share Posted October 20, 2001 man! that's a lot of euro caps! the can descriptions are a teriffic idea, but descriptions would be nice too. what's the diff in line quality between german outlines, grey blackdots and bluedots? does the paint flow modulate the same? similarly, how are orangedots and pinkdots different? justjedd- the biggest cap i've used is a carborator cleaner cap. i believe it's just normal cap without the face inserted, but since i've never pulled the face out of a stock cap i dont really know. i do know that they put out a LOT of paint but it's not a very tight flow (obviously) and it's also the loudest of any cap ive heard. one can blow through cans so fast using those... alright i'm out to liberate some rusto&krylon from their respective containers. peace kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogie hands Posted October 20, 2001 Share Posted October 20, 2001 orange dots are fats...pink dots are wicked fats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr8oholic Posted October 20, 2001 Share Posted October 20, 2001 this should be stickied twice. please show your support for the grandpappy of all graff sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan Posted October 21, 2001 Share Posted October 21, 2001 Cap comparisons Cap info: I'm buildin a FAQ now. Here's what we've got so far. It doesn't cover all permutations, so please feel free to send me some more facts. I'll try to find out more about blues and greys in the coming weeks, then post the FAQ on Art Crimes. Comparison as follows: (cans held at a distance of 6" from surface) Krylon: German fatcap: Approx: 3 1/2" in diameter Orangedot fatcap: Approx: 5 1/2" in diameter Pinkdot fatcap: Approx: 6" in diameter Belton: German fatcap: Approx: 2 1/2" in diameter Orangedot fatcap: Approx: 4" in in diameter Pinkdot fatcap: Approx: 4" in in diameter Montana: German fatcap: Approx: 4" in diameter Orangedot fatcap: Approx: 5" in in diameter Pinkdot fatcap: Approx: 7" in in diameter Rust-Oleum: (# The following caps are NOT recommended for use on Rust-Oleum as bleeding occurs. We recommend the "Rust-o" fatcap) German fatcap: Approx: 2 1/2" in diameter Orangedot fatcap: Approx: 3" in in diameter Pinkdot fatcap: Approx: 3" in in diameter Thin, thinner, what's the best? The greydots are thinner than the German Outlines. But they may block faster because they are thinner..It is always best to turn the can up side down after use and spray until their is no paint left and just the gas is coming out. Grey blackdots are mainly used for outlines. They are also excellent for fading colors. They have a soft spray. If you want to be really tricky, you can use them to get a spatterly finer line. A technique used for painting characters in Europe and Australia. Compatibility? The cap that is most comparable to the Montana paint is the " German Outline (N150)" It should be noted that Montana do use different caps on their cans from time to time.. Whereas the Beltons come with the same stock cap each time. -- Thank you! Susan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dusty Lipschitz Posted October 22, 2001 Share Posted October 22, 2001 sue & brett: if there was a lifetime acheivement award for graffiti, i would nominate the two of you in fact, fuck it. im nominating you anyways :) thanks peace ~Dee El Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23578 Posted October 22, 2001 Share Posted October 22, 2001 i'll second that nomination, can we have a vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatajerk Posted October 23, 2001 Share Posted October 23, 2001 Susan... I'm not sure if you thought of other ways to make money to keep the site up. With as many Unique Vistors a week that you are getting you might be able to do the following: 1. get companies to sponsor sections of your site. (with the right person on the phone you might be able to find such companies: PlayStation, Record labels, Skate/SnowBoard Companies, etc..) 2. You can also try to get people to pay for content via www.paythrough.com membership fee. 3. Instead of using PayPal you can also look into Paythrough for help with that which is an easy way to sell product online without the hassel of doing it yourself. 4. Even tho you are trying to sell caps to make money to keep the site alive you should look into what will the BEST price be for your product so that your vistors will not go somewhere else to buy them. 5. You can start posting Surveys/ polls which are very vaulable. 6. Make it more of a Community where you can track all your vistors. (More then just posting photos) Maybe I didn't say anything that you dont already know but we can chat off-line sometime. --I ran some stats on your site for one week.These will be different from your stats that you have on your server. These stats are from 8million online users. Week of 09/30/2001 you had 11,603 Unique Vistors a 2.89% growth from the week before which you had 11,277 Unique Vistors. with 407,591 Page Views which was a a 90.05% growth from the week before which you had 214,591 Page Views. Your adverage Stay Per Session on this week was 00:12:29 which was a 63.53% growth from the week before witch was 00:07:38. For that same week your top (5) Pages on your site are: 1) www.graffiti.org/index/usa.html Page Views: 28,181 2) www.graffiti.org Page Views: 21,511 3) www.graffiti.org/brighton/writers.html Page Views: 13,910 4) www.graffiti.org/brighton/pase/pase.html Page Views: 9,935 5) www.graffiti.org/daim/ces.html Page Views: 7,846 By looking at a visual representation of where people are clicking on your homepage--14.34% are clicking on Photos & Images USA ( I can email you a screen shot) I also ran a report on HiFiArt.com Week of 09/30/2001 They had 1,940 Unique Vistors a 12.65% growth from the week before which you had 1,722 Unique Vistors. with 181,765 Page Views which was a a 56.71% growth from the week before which you had 115,981 Page Views. Your adverage Stay Per Session on this week was 00:12:31 which was a -30.39% minus in growth from the week before witch was 00:17:59. For that same week your top (5) Pages on your site are: 1) www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi Page Views: 44,009 2) www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/ultimate.cgi Page Views: 13,131 3) www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/postings.cgi Page Views: 10,991 4) www.hifiart.com/drawings/index.html Page Views: 5,785 5) www.hifiart.com/murals/sf_74.html Page Views: 3,645 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgresWFO Posted October 23, 2001 Share Posted October 23, 2001 You'll never guess who distributes the Art Crimes cap orders to the entire world..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17reasonswhy Posted October 23, 2001 Share Posted October 23, 2001 Re: Susan... Originally posted by whatajerk Week of 09/30/2001 you had 11,603 Unique Vistors a 2.89% growth from the week before which you had 11,277 Unique Vistors. with 407,591 Page Views which was a a 90.05% growth from the week before which you had 214,591 Page Views. Your adverage Stay Per Session on this week was 00:12:29 which was a 63.53% growth from the week before witch was 00:07:38. For that same week your top (5) Pages on your site are: 1) www.graffiti.org/index/usa.html Page Views: 28,181 2) www.graffiti.org Page Views: 21,511 3) www.graffiti.org/brighton/writers.html Page Views: 13,910 4) www.graffiti.org/brighton/pase/pase.html Page Views: 9,935 5) www.graffiti.org/daim/ces.html Page Views: 7,846 By looking at a visual representation of where people are clicking on your homepage--14.34% are clicking on Photos & Images USA ( I can email you a screen shot) I also ran a report on HiFiArt.com Week of 09/30/2001 They had 1,940 Unique Vistors a 12.65% growth from the week before which you had 1,722 Unique Vistors. with 181,765 Page Views which was a a 56.71% growth from the week before which you had 115,981 Page Views. Your adverage Stay Per Session on this week was 00:12:31 which was a -30.39% minus in growth from the week before witch was 00:17:59. For that same week your top (5) Pages on your site are: 1) www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi Page Views: 44,009 2) www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/ultimate.cgi Page Views: 13,131 3) www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/postings.cgi Page Views: 10,991 4) www.hifiart.com/drawings/index.html Page Views: 5,785 5) www.hifiart.com/murals/sf_74.html Page Views: 3,645 [/b] these numbers are perfect.......what are you using to pull them.....and what is your final assessment of them?....that artcrimes should be selling caps at wholsesale prices and allowing advertisiers to pay for the space that Susan and Brett maintain? If so i agree with you...the problem that i see is that many advertisers would be less than willing to sponsor something that has any leagality issues....I am not saying that Artcrimes does not have every legal right to post anything they want, but advertising is a business of association and most companies that can do some substantial spends online will want to have content that is less questionable....I repeat "I am not saying that Artcrimes does not have every legal right to post anything they want"......but if you are able to find a company that has money to spend toward an online campaign and is in agreeance with what artcrimes offers to the world then let susan know......Most of us afficianados of the internet know a worthy and enduring site when we see one...and i believe that artcrimes is in it for the long haul......so it might as well make some loot in the process...otherwise it will go belly up or get gobbled up by a larger fish..................Personally i just always want to see the presence of grafflife online....by whatever means necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justjedd Posted October 23, 2001 Author Share Posted October 23, 2001 You know.. I agree with you, but you gotta think about it man. Look at all the pretty and colorful zines @ Tower records. They have a ton of ads in em. Not that I think AC should get a ton of ads.. but if they just made spots for like, 1 ad a page, I wouldn't mind! And yea, those magazines are mostly foreign, where graffiti seems to be a little more okay with the people.. but AC is MORE then foreign! It covers ALL the world and every country! I'm sure they could get at least some advertising doh if they wanted. My .02 -> Jedd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatajerk Posted October 23, 2001 Share Posted October 23, 2001 Very True! IT's all about who is on the them talking to advertisers. Trust me they Sponsor more then you know! there are a lot of ways for them to get a message out to people. It's just dont try to go the Banner Ad direction it will not work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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