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600,000 People Want The Right To Vote

Discussion in 'News' started by KING BLING, Nov 26, 2005.


    KING BLING Guest


    The fact is this case was likely based on acute and correct understanding of law. But I find it hard to understand how any man not acused of treason would have his right to vote revoked. The principle is based on the right of a man to self direction, the law is contrary to the ideal of freedom and redemption.

    High court rejects felons' voting appeal

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Supreme Court Monday, without comment, rejected the appeal of Florida felons seeking to regain their right to vote.

    Since 1868, Florida has had a lifetime voting ban for felons. But lawyers representing about 600,000 affected by the law sought to regain their voting rights by filing a suit under the 14th Amendment, which gave African-Americans the right to vote, and the 1965 Voting Rights Act, which ended legal barriers to the polls.

    The case is Johnson v. Bush (05-0212).

    The lawyers contended that states have discretion in establishing their voting laws without federal interference, and some of the 48 states that ban felons from voting offer them a chance to regain that right.

    Florida offers that same opportunity, but critics say it can be costly, lengthy and uncertain.

    Vermont and Maine do not have voting restrictions for felons.

    In the past year, the governors of Iowa and Nebraska acted to end the permanent disenfranchisement laws in their states. Those steps require legislative approval.

    Florida's ban prevents 10 percent of African-American adults in the state from voting under the ban, said people supporting the felons' cause, and that figure does not include those still incarcerated.

    Nationwide, the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition says about 5 million people cannot vote because of felony convictions.

    "This is a sad day for our democracy," said Catherine Weiss, associate counsel for the New York University School of Law, which is representing the Florida felons. "The court has not only missed an opportunity to right a great historic injustice, it has shut the courthouse door in the face of hundreds of thousands of disenfranchised citizens."
  2. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 235
    well, duhhhhhh. george bush doesnt care about black people.
  3. Harvey Wallbanger

    Harvey Wallbanger Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Oct 13, 2004 Messages: 8,567 Likes Received: 401
    ...or writers busted for felony levels of damage.

    KING BLING Guest

    My black friend who is an expert on being black told me he thinks George Bush does care about black people...he is also not a felon
  5. ASER1NE

    ASER1NE Veteran Member

    Joined: Oct 15, 2001 Messages: 7,578 Likes Received: 3
    If your in jail on a felony:

    a. You probably did something bad enough that you forefit your right to vote by breaking the law.

    b. why would you care all that much , i dont think polotics are going to have much affect in your 12 x 12 cement cell .

    KING BLING Guest

    DUIs, a fight, graffiti, racking - all of these things can be felonies...and its not neccesarily for the people in jail, but those who got out...
  7. John Birch

    John Birch Member

    Joined: Apr 14, 2004 Messages: 747 Likes Received: 0
    Felon voting is an issue dear to me. Personally I think its taxation w/o representaion and also a tool to disenfanchise people. Any law can be made and be called a felony. People always focus on the worse crimes, like crzay mass murdering child molesters etc.

    Me for instance. I have 30 felony convictions for graf. Now I have a hard time getting a job and I'm not sure I can go to law school. I never had fines or jail time. Bascically I had a CWOF (continued w/o a finding) on a bunch of felony graf charges. If I had stayed clean while on probation, it would have been dismissed. Instead I got into a car accident (not my fault) but got charged for DUI after by the police. When I plead out the DUI, it fucked my probation. I still didn't get any jail time or even probation, but I got 30 felonies stuck on my record now. Its never stopped me from voting, but nonetheless it makes difficulties for me since I work in politics/government, law enforcement/social work etc etc...

    And I never can get a liquor license if I ever open a restauarnt or buy a gun to go hunting with friends in alaska etc etc...

    all because I was with someone putting up stickers...ohh well...
  8. Milton

    Milton Senior Member

    Joined: May 21, 2003 Messages: 2,253 Likes Received: 0
    You should talk about that in your personal statement. I know somebody in a similar situation that is doing quite well in a well-respected law school. Say something about correcting injustice and speaking for the common man. They love that shit.

    Felon voting shit is interesting. I say no voting from inside. If you're free to go restoration of rights. Word...
  9. SF1

    SF1 Elite Member

    Joined: Apr 25, 2003 Messages: 4,866 Likes Received: 5
    It's just another trick to keep the average citizen from voting.
  10. Krakatau

    Krakatau Member

    Joined: May 5, 2005 Messages: 549 Likes Received: 0
    Always enjoy the quality quotables from SF.
    I think that they should still be allowed to vote. I agree with Milton that they shouldn't be able to vote from the inside, but if we are to assume that incarceration leads to rehabilitation then it follows that ALL (voting included) rights should be reinstated once released. Once their 'debt to society' is paid, why shouldn't they be reintegrated? Not being able to own a gun makes sense for violent repeat offenders, but some dude with a DUI from seven years ago? Why can't he have one?

    But playing the Devil's advocate for the sake of discussion (we seem to all be in agreement on this one):
    Felons shouldn't be allowed to vote. If you have already fucked up badly enough that you are a felon, then why should you be allowed to play a part in steering the future of our country? Decent citizens who have made all the right moves in regards to the law shouldn't be subject to the opinions of rapists and child molesters, regardless of how long the sick fuckers have sat in a cell. The descision making skills of those who engage in felonious behaviors are obviously impaired, and I can see no reason to allow them privilege of voting. If my seventeen year old honor student, church going, volunteer fire fighting cousin can't vote, then why should some scumfucker who has been in prison for the last twelve years be allowed to? They probably won't even be up to date enough with current events to make an informed choice when voting. They also shouldn't be allowed to drive, and mandatory castration upon release should be employed so their violent genes won't be passed to the next generation. Booyah.
  11. yum

    yum Junior Member

    Joined: Sep 26, 2005 Messages: 122 Likes Received: 0
    why cant your cousin vote?

  12. Cause she's gay.
  13. Krakatau

    Krakatau Member

    Joined: May 5, 2005 Messages: 549 Likes Received: 0
    This is an imaginary cousin, by the way.
  14. John Birch

    John Birch Member

    Joined: Apr 14, 2004 Messages: 747 Likes Received: 0
    is she hot and have big nipples?
  15. SF1

    SF1 Elite Member

    Joined: Apr 25, 2003 Messages: 4,866 Likes Received: 5
    I love how Krakabar assumes that everyone with any kind of a felony record is a "skumfucker" and beleives they should be castrated so not to reproduce.

    You can throw that "devils advocate" disclaimer up all you want, but those were your words and obviously your opinion.
    What a fucking retard.