Dirty_habiT Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) Should "poor people" that are willing to work have their wages raised without an across the board raise for everyone everywhere? Â Why or why not? Â What would happen in a society where those at the bottom are lifted to being at the "top of the bottom"? Â What would three net result be if all workers got an equal percentage raise? Â Give minimum wage +30%. Why not give someone like me +30%? Edited January 3, 2022 by Dirty_habiT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 Should you be paid based upon the value you offer the employer or should pay be based upon some arbitrary number decided by politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.yuck Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I’ve often wondered this. Why a minimum wage? What are the core things a minimum wage should encompass? Is this even a realistic thing to mandate on a federal level?  Im not a fan of minimum wage.  I just listened to a podcast the other day about a company that was up against the bricks during the pandemic and instead of cutting employees and wages, they told their employees to tell them how much money money they needed to make to stay with the company and also to redefine their position and let them know what they would bring to the table for that amount of money. They said the productivity of everyone went bananas because the employees realized they would never be compensated in this manner anywhere else and the company is flourishing because of it.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Minimum wage was instated by the labor movement to favor white workers. These days people cling to it because the concept has so much emotional appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Knight Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I haven’t been paid minimum wage since I was like 17 lol.  I believe it was $5.50 at the time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 5 hours ago, Mercer said: Minimum wage was instated by the labor movement to favor white workers. These days people cling to it because the concept has so much emotional appeal. Are you dumb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 There's always gonna be a scintilla yous can butt chug but the attempt to be informed is like serving fajitas in a hula hoop. The fair labor standards act was less than 90 years after people were property but yous probably have contrarian stances on slavery as well. But of course there is racial elements to everything and socio economics is a study of interdependencies, you cannot understand a single part of something apart from the whole. Minimum wage wasnt applied to service industry jobs and manufacturing until the 60s a few years before the Civil rights movement. Being anti minimum wage is anti democracy, read article 8 of the constitution fuck around and find out. Plus minimum wage isnt even a thing the average effective national minimum wage is over $11 if it was there would be more downward pressure and unemployment over 6%. Its laughable everyone thinks they're smarter than the government cause they brush their teeth twice a day, companies legally have to follow the profit incentive but also work based on their reputation so paying their workers more is often the smart play. Also humanity is reaching a point that technology will be adversarial to the individual, making socialism the only tenable outcome. Change the oil on your prefrontal cortex dickheads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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where Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) Waste of bandwidth, thats one of the biggest problems with the culture war, dudes with school house rock level comprehension popping shit. Thomas Sowell is a joke who got paid for speaking engagements where he argued black peoples lives were better under slavery, its actually good he was included in that cause it illustrates the Streisand effect of this tribal bullshit, because Sowell is using regulatory capture as a crutch for his "theories" but is also great example of it for his part in the clientelism opposing the bill of rights. Edited January 4, 2022 by where Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, Mercer said: Dont lie you read that with your hpv dick turtling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022  I don't want socialism styles values put on paychecks for anyone. Raising minimum wage is very similar to that gay ass universal income idea the lefty neo socialists have been pushing so hard for.  The big difference is the people pushing socialism want "the government" to pay for the socialism. The government doesn't make any money on its own.  The people responsible for "raising the minimum wage" is going to be privately owned businesses.  Maybe we should just let the government have control over all private sector businesses. I'm kidding of course because the government is basically garbage at everything it does and hemorrhages money constantly. 2021 Biden admin perfect example. Surely you don't want those people deciding your quality of life for you.  If you can't earn money and never tried to then you better have someone that can help you because I don't give a rats ass about your hustle at that point.  Where does the money to raise minimum wage come from in the private sector?  It's not government subsidized. The business owners have to pay someone $25/hr to mop floors?  I'll definitely make a floor mopping robot and those people with those "life skills" will want for socialized pay even more than they do now..... Not realizing that the solution is to their money issues is to "get good".  Steal from the rich to give to the poor. Robin Hood taught kids to be little commies at a young age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited)  38 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:  I don't want socialism styles values put on paychecks for anyone. Raising minimum wage is very similar to that gay ass universal income idea the lefty neo socialists have been pushing so hard for.  The big difference is the people pushing socialism want "the government" to pay for the socialism. The government doesn't make any money on its own.  The people responsible for "raising the minimum wage" is going to be privately owned businesses.  Maybe we should just let the government have control over all private sector businesses. I'm kidding of course because the government is basically garbage at everything it does and hemorrhages money constantly. 2021 Biden admin perfect example. Surely you don't want those people deciding your quality of life for you.  If you can't earn money and never tried to then you better have someone that can help you because I don't give a rats ass about your hustle at that point.  Where does the money to raise minimum wage come from in the private sector?  It's not government subsidized. The business owners have to pay someone $25/hr to mop floors?  I'll definitely make a floor mopping robot and those people with those "life skills" will want for socialized pay even more than they do now..... Not realizing that the solution is to their money issues is to "get good".  Steal from the rich to give to the poor. Robin Hood taught kids to be little commies at a young age. Emo boi Edited January 4, 2022 by where Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metronome Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Plenty of evidence out there that wages have stagnated in comparison to GDP, labour productivity rates, corporate profits... does the minimum wage need to be raised or does labour need to be more properly compensated? Â 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercer Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Wages for unskilled labor will never return to the levels we enjoyed post war, when the entire industrial world outside of the U.S. and Canada was reduced to ashes, and rubble. The rest of the world has caught up, and we no longer hold this monopoly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, metronome said: Plenty of evidence out there that wages have stagnated in comparison to GDP, labour productivity rates, corporate profits... does the minimum wage need to be raised or does labour need to be more properly compensated?   But, is it up to the government to handle this or the people that don't understand how it all works to handle it for themselves?  I think if you're not going to learn about this stuff or study and understand it, and you don't "make enough money"..... then the only person to blame is yourself. Anyone at any time can go out and get more money than they are currently making. Complacency and laziness combined with ignorance make this a very comfortable situation for many people complaining about not bringing in enough.  I understand very clearly that if I live in a place where the government uses inflation to pay for things, that I need to continually make more money than yesterday. Of course nobody gets a raise every day but this attitude will help nearly anyone from stagnating in pay for long periods of time. You just go to the next job and negotiate more pay, why should the government strong arm people into running their free-capitalist society businesses any other way outside of the way they want to?  If I own a farm and i need to pay someone to shovel dookie, i sure as shit ain't payin no high dollar minimum wage. That's a $10/hr job at most. Oh, you don't want to do it for that pay? That's fine, we will replace you with a robot that never complains or strikes, or has emotions..... or a bad day.... etc. If you think you're poor now, just wait until the robots replace all the plebe jobs. Only people that pushed themselves to be part of the future will be able to participate.  There will be no world where you can pay someone like me nothing or next to nothing to do the highly skilled technical work I do. It simply won't happen. I'm not unique, I'm not special. Anyone can study what I've done at any time and do the same thing and make the same money if they put effort into it.  Raising the minimum wage, IMO, is something that people that don't want to improve themselves vouch for.  I'm not against a minimum wage, i'm just against raising it. If you want more, do more... do a better job. Don't expect the same shit you've been doing to magically start paying more. This should be a kick in the ass to a lot of people but instead they have their hands out expecting daddy govt to do something for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 Oh your industry doesn't allow you to job hop a lot and get competitive pay? Find a new industry to be in..... maybe gender studies wasn't a great plan for living in a mansion and driving a G Wagon one day.  I suspect that many people in the boat of raising minimum wage are also those recently duped by Biden into believing that their school loan debts would be zero'd out. Crushing debt combined with rent, car payment, insurance, kids, etc would definitely make someone unhappy..... but I need to point out that nobody made them do anything. Nobody made them accept the school debt and go to school. Nobody made them have kids on accident, nobody made them have to go buy a new car.  There is such a thing as living below your means. It's a smart lesson that I hope everyone here understands very clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_habiT Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 It is not society's job to take care of your long storied history of making poor decisions with your life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Its just numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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