Theo Huxtable. Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 sammarra...are you tempting me to tell you it was the usa who did it?,because i know u know whats the "conspiracy" on that one,but we live in two different dimentions hux so dont ask me for details. some sunnis do kills shias but a high percentage fight the invaders,some shias fight the invaders but the percentage on that its smaller .being mostly in power makes them pro-invasion because it benefits them(just for a limited amount of weeks until they see the outcome). peace it wouldn't surprise me if you told me it was a conspiracy because you think pretty much everything in the world is a conspiracy. there is no such ridiculous evidence that the says US drove a carbomb to blow up the golden mosque, but there is all the evidence in the world that points to sunni extremists. why on earth would the US want to provoke a civil war by bombing a mosque when the US is trying to stabilize iraq. yes, you are living in a different dimension. i'm living in the dimension of rationality, logic, and sense. you're living in a fictional conspiracy-theorist, anti-establishment, tarot-card, dollar-bill-folding world. you are so far gone it is unbelievable. the fact is, MOST sunni attacks are against shia, not against coalition forces. you can check then numbers yourself. nearly 100,000 iraqis have died so far, and most of the deaths are shia that have died at the hand of sunni. if sunni are mainly attacking coalition forces and not shia, then explain why a little over 3,000 coalition forces have been killed compared to close to 100,000 Iraqis? yes, a portion of those were killed by coalition, but the vast majority is the result of sectarian violence, most of which the sunnis were the agressors. also, all shia are not "pro-invader." if you've ever heard of muqtada al-sadr and his mahdi army, you'd know they are an Iranian-backed Shia militia that is anti-US. they've refrained from attacking US forces because they were allowed to partake in the Iraqi government, and now have a bit of political power. but they've attacked coalition forces in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Pubes Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 $2.9trillsz. yea, that's even awesomer. i heard it was only $4billy-on, but whatever. it's all good though...we gotta open up iraq, iran and the rest of the middle east so the minority super rich can secure profitable investment opportunities while the general public pays in blood, sweat and tearz. shit is unbelievably gnarly. once the soft war against iran gets upgraded to a hard war, things are going to be soooo pimp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 If we go to war with Iran, I'll ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Huxtable. Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 i know, right? there's been enough wars. whatever happened to just focusing on afghanistan and al qaeda terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capostatus44 Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 some sunnis do kills shias but a high percentage fight the invaders,some shias fight the invaders but the percentage on that its smaller .being mostly in power makes them pro-invasion because it benefits them(just for a limited amount of weeks until they see the outcome). peace Ummmm the sunni groups under the Islamic State Of Iraq (al-Qaeda in Iraq, Jeish al-Taiifa al-Mansoura (Army of the Victorious Sect), Monotheism Supporters Brigades, Saray al-Jihad Group, al-Ghuraba Brigades, and al-Ahwal Brigades)hate shias just as much as foreign fighters. Many of the groups include a whole lot of footage in their propaganda videos on shias, and there have been a couple recently that just focus on shias by devoting the whole video to mahdi army hostage interviews, sadr & other imam speeches, and shia executions. Pretty much as soon as we leave they are no longer going to have to target foreigners and theyre going to devote their whole operation to killing shias since their aim is to set up a new caliphate in Iraq. Check out http://www.hanein.net .... Sunni insurgent forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Pubes Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 i hate the term 'al qaeda in iraq'.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAWoNe Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Does anybody else forsee Bush taking Irans "confidence that US will not invade" as a wager and invade the shit out of Iran. I mean, with this man, anything could happen. If people like my boy werent getting shot at and sectarian violence wasnt raging, or the whole region wasnt plagued by death, it really would be a quite laughable situation. Bush really has "done it now" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capostatus44 Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 i hate the term 'al qaeda in iraq'.... Thats what they call themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Pubes Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 really? i thought that was a white house/media fabrication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capostatus44 Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 really? i thought that was a white house/media fabrication. Well I guess the technical name is al-Qaeda jihad organization in the Land of the Two Rivers but yeah they actually call themselves al-Qaeda in Iraq. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was the creator of it but he was killed....It does sound like some homo thing the whitehouse would come up with like the axis of evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Huxtable. Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 yes true capostatus, they do call themselves "al-qaeda in iraq" (for short), and the actual name is the one you gave. but what's interesting is, alluding to what Larry Pubes said, al qaeda was a name branded by the US government. "al qaeda" was just the phrase used by bin laden and his men at the end of the soviet-afghan war, but it was more or less referring to their "database" of their operations. it wasn't referring to the name of their "group." bin laden doesn't see his movement as an "al qaeda" movement, but the movement/jihad of ALL islam. of course, it would be a mistake for the US to cite Islam as the culprit so they have to create organizations and give it a name. this began prior to 9/11 when prosecuting the '98 embassy bombers -- in order to indict Osama Bin Laden, they had to use similar tactics they used against the mafia when indicting the dons and cappos -- which meant having to view them as an organization like they view the mafia. when in reality al qaeda isn't an organization like the mafia, but rather a looseknit, widespread idealogy but following the 98 US embassy bombings in Africa, the USS Cole bombings, and then 9/11, "al qaeda" in reference to bin laden and his followers became so mainstream in the media that eventually the terrorists and insurgents themselves would refer to themselves as being "al qaeda." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Pubes Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 the technical name is waaaay better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunt double Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Does anybody else forsee Bush taking Irans "confidence that US will not invade" as a wager and invade the shit out of Iran. I mean, with this man, anything could happen. If people like my boy werent getting shot at and sectarian violence wasnt raging, or the whole region wasnt plagued by death, it really would be a quite laughable situation. Bush really has "done it now" yeah, the really sad fucking thing is that this shit has never really affected bush or any of his cronies. none of their fam are getting shot up, they arent getting bombs dropped on their homes. in fact this war has been so fucking lucrative for war and oil contracts, they are loving it. the region is now competely destabilised, and will be for the forseeable future. for real, fuck bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Fuentes Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 ive seen videos,and read many articles how the shia want to dominate the land and are killing any sunnis they find,like a payback for what saddam did to them. the best video out there about this stuff its "the death squads(iraq)" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q40i4Hh3N3I preview part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4 part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtMc5HuYi3o Iraqi Death Squads posing as Police cnn zionist news the usa knows their ignorance can be used to kill the sunnis minority and they tell their mullahs to incite them to do it(rich guys live in palaces and wear turbans),like there is videos of fatwas(religious orders by leaders of the mainstream faces of the belief) issued against sunnis, and usa is funding them like they funded saddam theyll get rid of both sides. peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 If we go to war with Iran, I'll ....... not that I'm pointing my finger accusingly, just looking out for you, but, statements like that can get you in more trouble than you intended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 let me shed some light on this Sunni / shia thing, fisrt off, let's get it straight, SADDAM WAS NOT A SUNNI. He wasn't a shia either, but a sunni in the religion of Islam is a person who follows the "sunnah" meaning the "way" of the prophet Muhammad. Sunni's don't blow up mosques, even Shia Mosques, Once a person starts blowing up Mosques or other buildings he becomes a terrorist, and terrorists are not sunnis because sunnis follow the way of the Prophet Muhammad and he was not a terrorist either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r3ader Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 so dawood - and i'm not trying to pick a fight - was Saddam not a Sunni because he was secular or because of his violent attacks on other Muslims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 so dawood - and i'm not trying to pick a fight - was Saddam not a Sunni because he was secular or because of his violent attacks on other Muslims? Actually, the scholars of Islam expelled him from the fold of Islam because he was secular ,also because he denied parts of the quran and held communist beleifs. His violent attacks on other muslims are all just a part of what he contained inside coming out. A persons actions derive from what he has in his heart and if he loved the sunnah of the prophet, he wouldve never embraced secularism , nor would he have attacked muslms and oppressed people in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Actually, the scholars of Islam expelled him from the fold of Islam because he was secular ,also because he denied parts of the quran and held communist beleifs. His violent attacks on other muslims are all just a part of what he contained inside coming out. A persons actions derive from what he has in his heart and if he loved the sunnah of the prophet, he wouldve never embraced secularism , nor would he have attacked muslms and oppressed people in general. Why is communism against the Koran? Communism is not inherently atheist or non-religious in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Huxtable. Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 karl marx, the godfather of communism -- didn't he also state that religions were set up by governments to control the masses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 More or less, but Marxism isn't the only way that a socialist ideal could be expressed. There are definitely Christian socialists, in other words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zewlowski Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 wheres mize???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doeyemakeyou Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 not 100% but if u do watch tv for iraq info,forget it if u think u know what even know what happens in your own country. there are american with english,australian,canadian and some other troops invading it,building bunkers and military bases,killing anyone who disapproves their idea. so called sunni muslims fight the invaders and shia killing squads not civilians. shias take part of the government and police killing sunnis civilians for payback from saddam. and much more that we dont know,the thing is america is not winning anything,and the iraqis are resisting. peace dude what the fuck are you talking about, where do you get this shit from. All that shows is that you just jump on the media hype. Listen this whole sunni shiate thing is bullshit. All it is is a sunni political leader and a shiate political leader disagreeing and using the tribes as a catalyst for the media. 80% of the iraqi people are a mix between sunni and shiate heritage. The iraqi people arent resisting anything, the resistors are insurgents and terrorist and half of them arent even iraqi. the highest death toll in iraq are insurgents killing civilians. they have killed more iraqi amy and iraqi police than coalition military, The terrorist publish their own newspapers, websites and news channels making stories that americans are killing civilians in order to bring them against the americans. no one its getting payback for saddam. once he was captured he was not a factor. even those who worked for him were happy because they found it as an oppurtunity for them to prospur. And as for the iraqi people wanting america here. the everyday people dont want us here but they understand that it is better for them. And the government does want us here because as long us america is here they make money. I could be wrong but im in iraq at this moment and see what happens here and how it transpires on the news, on the internet, and its all about the story. the better the story the better the money for the publicist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayorMeanBeans Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 okay first of all, i propose (of course it wont happen) that you all start citing your shit like in school, even a website that is slightly reputable (ie juan fuentes) where you got your shit from. with politics, shit your boss said just doesnt cut it. regarding the budget, bush proposed 2.9 trillion, when broken down, gives 830-something billion to the military, the most since 1952, when china was fucking us up in korea while at the same time building nukes in the cold war. next, you all talk a lot of shit (granted it is warranted). what would you propose that is actually feasible? im about to break down some options i see, lets see who talks shit. 1.Iraq- - Give up our reservations about Iranian nukes and sanctionsin exchange for support on the border and a withdrawl of iranian agents from iraq. sounds feasible enough, fuentes among others believe that the shia deathsquads/iraqi govt are the two worst threats to iraq right now. but wait. who would that piss off? -israel- for one (remember when they blew up iraqs reactors in 1982). when they go after irans reactors (which they will, and they know we wont withdraw our aid), do you really think that iran is gonna believe under the circumstances that we didnt play a role. even if we are legitimately uninvolved (questionable but maintainable), do you really think iran is gonna respect their part of the agreement? hellll no. -europe- ahmedinejad, a largely ceremonial president (spokesman, not much more in terms of foreign affairs), has taken it upon himself to piss off the entire western world with his 'anti-zionist' remarks (most rational westerners call holocaust marginalizing 'anti-semitism' because it claims that such horrors are somehow not a big deal.) -saudi arabia- ohh the guys that are in control of our white house (fuentes would probably know more about this oil conspiracy than i). fact of the matter is, that population explosion in iran terrifies the Sunni states. we already pay whatever the fuck in gas prices, and the Saudis for sure know what average americans care more about: their gas. - Along a similar line, we can also bring Syria into the fold. Theyre already weak, the son aint the father by any means. Set them up with Israel, give them a little less than what they want, but do give them something of the Golan Heights so that they can at least 'wash their feet in that lake'. Make them feel important for once on our terms so they dont have to mix in others problems. Give them an incentive to shut down the iraqi border - But wait- what about Lebanon? Hezbollah? Ohhh, you all forgot about all that smuggling that goes on over there, who do you think really benefits from it? what type of industries does syria have (no oil fellas)? yet they have a strong, LOYAL, military? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... i wonder. but why dont we pull out you might wonder?? enough american lives have died. its soo expensive (i in no way am undermining the sacrifices, me like most of you know people closely connected to iraq). 1. who is going to protect the sunnis when we pull out and we got bosnia 2008? the saudis. once the saudis come in, who claims unfair advantage and also enters? iran. is a localized insurgency really worse then all three oil superpowers embroiled in conflict? wow thats so cinical to think of that way... i hear you fuentes. but follow the money my dude- weapons weapons weapons. remember lebanon 1982 (sharon fucking shit up)? the middle east has a tragic tendency to jump into others fights (legacies of pan arabism, now pan-islam). ask yourself, is iraq vs iraq really worse then us pulling out and its iraq vs iraq vs iran vs syria vs saudi with european weapons with iraqi civilians being a new palestinian diaspora then they get assaulted in australia on the beach? generalizations maybe. now ive been talking shit about your guys proposals the whole time without saying what i would do. so hear i go: 1. solve that palestinian problem- how can we expect the middle east to help us when we ignore their number one political question of modern times? 2. divide the iraqi army training- since their hopelessly untrained and their loyalty questionable, why are we still hoping that theyll forget their identities and just be iraqi? i say slow it down. half the time they are training militarily. but the other half, put them in reconstruction. dont make them tools of the americans/badr militias (as they are perceived now), rather help them rebuild what is iraqi. 3.for domestic politics, get the halliburtons out so that fuentes stops his genius theorizing. 4. once the palestinian stuff has been solved with our direct involvement, well have some diplomatic capital. if we can bring syria into the fold, we get border security. al qaeda in iraq will lose their main supply line (al qaeda and iran definitely do not get along). 5. return to a federalist structure with significant autonomy for different provinces. no one (except for those kurds) wants an india/pakistan thing going on. 6. hold new elections. the sunnis boycotted because they werent trustful of the new system. is that their fault that they were right in thinking the govt wouldnt benefit them? change the system to the electoral college like the states, so that the sunnis at least have a sizeable coalition such as the quebec bloc in canada. 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Juan Fuentes Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 dude what the fuck are you talking about, where do you get this shit from. All that shows is that you just jump on the media hype. Listen this whole sunni shiate thing is bullshit. All it is is a sunni political leader and a shiate political leader disagreeing and using the tribes as a catalyst for the media. 80% of the iraqi people are a mix between sunni and shiate heritage. The iraqi people arent resisting anything, the resistors are insurgents and terrorist and half of them arent even iraqi. the highest death toll in iraq are insurgents killing civilians. they have killed more iraqi amy and iraqi police than coalition military, The terrorist publish their own newspapers, websites and news channels making stories that americans are killing civilians in order to bring them against the americans. no one its getting payback for saddam. once he was captured he was not a factor. even those who worked for him were happy because they found it as an oppurtunity for them to prospur. And as for the iraqi people wanting america here. the everyday people dont want us here but they understand that it is better for them. And the government does want us here because as long us america is here they make money. I could be wrong but im in iraq at this moment and see what happens here and how it transpires on the news, on the internet, and its all about the story. the better the story the better the money for the publicist. you said it queezy,you could be wrong that guy sadr,shiite dude,its a supporter of the prime minister,and the shia are in control of the police,go check it out if u dont believe me. making iraq better! gime a break! peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldBench Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 IRAQ was a bLASt i had so much fun when i was there. man getting rocketed by 9ft tall rockets landing 50m from you, and 120mm mortars landing next to your truck, it was like an adults playground! 140 degree heat and guarding iraqi's who are pulling hard labor.. fucking CO and CSM making us wear full battle rattle, fuck all that. I talked to alot of Iraqi's they don't hate Americans, they hate us Occupying their country. How would you feel if they took over America. They like Saddam cause they were safer. Shit Now theyre more likely to die. Eh oh well Who Cares, we can't do shit about this... Politics don't listen to anyone but who pays them Gotta love lobbyists and policians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell jones Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 I just found out today that the democrats in congress do in fact control the pursestrings on this war BUT they are looking for a way to continue funding it while posturing as anti-war. Fucking sell outs, I should have figured. Marx may have been anti-religious, socialism is not necessarily anti-religious. The problem with socialism from the start is that it was authoritarian some more so than others. I'm not really sure if Lenin was antireligious, but he was probably the kindest(? tolerant? open? accepting?) of the classical theorists. Stalin on the other hand was surely some kind of antireligious zealot. You have to remember that these thinkers were riding high on the wave of the enlightenment (when science officially debunked religion) and atheism was very much en vogue. Lenin was ruthless and authoritarian, he just didn't last long enough to turn into a paranoid egomaniac like Stalin did. Trotsky was the best among that group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbovE Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 this shit is too funny..................all I want is a confirmed kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doeyemakeyou Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 dont we all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunt double Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Denmark, Lithuania and Britain are pulling troops out of Iraq. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070222.BRITAIN22/TPStory/TPInternational/Africa/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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