Guest TEARZ Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 just saw the signal, thanks roeski! i'll be punching my team nerd timecard on sunday morning, ready by 8:55 with green tea, orange juice and an english muffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloveboxcars Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 I am a regular, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make this one, I'll have to make someone record it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted February 8, 2004 Author Share Posted February 8, 2004 bump... im already sorta upset that russert went to bushs turf, its to informal already, sorta chummy... as much as i want to dispute the cynicism bobbo i regretfully agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Man Bob Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 What do you know that I don't? Other than the fact that Russert is going to whore it up tomorrow? I'm very drunk so I doubt I'll be able to make it to the show tomorrow. I'll have to rely on your word and a transcript.... ... ... ... of Russert whoring it up for aWol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Man Bob Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 I'm going to challenge Bush to a good ol' round of fisticuffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Man Bob Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 DOO DOO. "the man" russert timmy why times lives here latin experience wine myriads tv videos latyrx bettah hoes lex next days i really hate bush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Man Bob Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/pack...sh/bush_tsg.mov Watch this please. Bush is a lying fuckhead. Fuckhead o' lyin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26SidedCube Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 hahah.. Bush "felt it was important that the American people hear his thinking on this issue and pursuing the war on terrorism." GHAH! We've been hearing your thinking for the past 4 years, why the fuck do you think we don't like you? This man is so out of touch with the people he's governing. I honestly think he's caught in a conservative time warp. Convinced the US is made up of the people in his parent's Country Club. If this shit isn't 100% scripted he's going to bomb so fucking hard... Pick up a newspaper, Georgie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TEARZ Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 just watched it. tim went like 5% as hard as normal. allowed the president to really control the agenda. BULLSHIT. ALL LIES AND DECEPTION. i don't know why i expected anything different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekro Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 GO TIM GO! Ask those follow up questions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Æ° Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 "The skull and bones is so secret we can't talk about it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Man Bob Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Oh, Timmy. He asked decent questions, but allowed Bush to venture off into his own world and barely address the question. Russert never called him on it and never asked probing follow-up questions. Bush's beady little eyes will forever haunt me if he gets reelected. And this new "fad" really bugs me: calling anything negative said about aWol simply "politics," and wholly failing to address the content of the charges. E.g., 'Bush, you were AWOL. How do you respond?' 'Well, that's politics for you.' Pigfucker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Man Bob Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Here's the transcript from that portion. Russert: When allegations were made about John McCain or Wesley Clark on their military records, they opened up their entire files. Would you agree to do that? President Bush: Yeah. Listen, these files I mean, people have been looking for these files for a long period of time, trust me, and starting in the 1994 campaign for governor. And I can assure you in the year 2000 people were looking for those files as well. Probably you were. And absolutely. I mean, I Russert: But would you allow pay stubs, tax records, anything to show that you were serving during that period? President Bush: Yeah. If we still have them, but I you know, the records are kept in Colorado, as I understand, and they scoured the records. And I'm just telling you, I did my duty, and it's politics, you know, to kind of ascribe all kinds of motives to me. But I have been through it before. I'm used to it. What I don't like is when people say serving in the Guard is is may not be a true service. Russert: Would you authorize the release of everything to settle this? President Bush: Yes, absolutely. We did so in 2000, by the way. BTW, I haven't heard anyone denigrating the National Guard. What I've heard is everyone denigrating Bush for skipping out on his duties with the National Guard. There's a huge fucking difference, George. *edit - spelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Man Bob Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 The transcript, for those interested: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4179618/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hottnickels Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by Poop Man Bob Oh, Timmy. He asked decent questions, but allowed Bush to venture off into his own world and barely address the question. Russert never called him on it and never asked probing follow-up questions. Bush's beady little eyes will forever haunt me if he gets reelected. And this new "fad" really bugs me: calling anything negative said about aWol simply "politics," and wholly failing to address the content of the charges. E.g., 'Bush, you were AWOL. How do you respond?' 'Well, that's politics for you.' Pigfucker! my sentiments exactly. bush is so pathetic. and so many people just go along with it. maybe it's because they know he's retarded so they don't want to make fun of his disability. the marlboro man. that was a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old*824 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 President Bush: Well, first let me kind of step back and talk about intelligence in general, if I might. Intelligence is a vital part of fighting and winning the war against the terrorists. It is because the war against terrorists is a war against individuals who hide in caves in remote parts of the world, individuals who have these kind of shadowy networks, individuals who deal with rogue nations. So, we need a good intelligence system. We need really good intelligence. old824: have you consulted the tooth fairy in your search for the boogie man, and can you elaborate the boogie mans ties to the monster under the bed? President Bush: Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old*824 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 President Bush: He said to me, he said, ‘You're nearly as unpopular as Ronald Reagan was.’ I said, ‘so, first of all, I'm keeping pretty good company.’ bwahahahhahahahah....... Russert: You were both in Skull and Bones, the secret society. President Bush: It's so secret we can't talk about it. Russert: What does that mean for America? The conspiracy theorists are going to go wild. President Bush: I'm sure they are. I don’t know. I haven't seen the (unintel) yet. (Laughs) Russert: Number 322. President Bush: First of all, he's not the nominee, and I look forward Russert: Are you prepared to lose? President Bush: No, I'm not going to lose. Russert: If you did, what would you do? President Bush: Well, I don't plan on losing. I have got a vision for what I want to do for the country. See, I know exactly where I want to lead. I want to lead us I want to lead this world toward more peace and freedom. I want to lead this great country to work with others to change the world in positive ways, particularly as we fight the war on terror, and we got changing times here in America, too. Russert: Biggest issues in the upcoming campaign? President Bush: Who can properly use American power in a way to make the world a better place, and who understands that the true strength of this country is the hearts and souls of the American citizens, who understands times are changing and how best to have policy reflect those times. And I look forward to a good campaign. I know exactly where I want to lead the country. I have shown the American people I can lead. I have shown the American people I can sit here in the Oval Office when times are tough and be steady and make good decisions, and I look forward to articulating what I want to do the next four years if I'm fortunate enough to be their president. this shit is mad funny yo.....and this shit to..... President Bush: This commission? You know, I don't testify? uhh...prolly cause hed get caught up on perjury like clinton. damn i wish i woulda caught that shit on tv.... ahahhahaahahahahahhaha.....we are so fucked. have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted February 9, 2004 Author Share Posted February 9, 2004 Oh, Timmy. He asked decent questions, but allowed Bush to venture off into his own world and barely address the question. Russert never called him on it and never asked probing follow-up questions. i agree totally with this statement. i think we were all hoping for a reality that we knew was not going to happen. I thought he asked some good question, but shoulda pulled the needle up on the broken record. i wish when he had asked the question after using the wolfowitz, he would have buffered that with the quote by powel recently describing the lack of WMDs "changing the political calculus". i think the both of those quotes capture the importance of this matter. but he hit on some major issues, war time presidents and tax cuts i thought was a good question, as well as he touched on the awol, and the budgets offices estimate of the budget in 2040. that being said, i got out of this what i wanted. bush is on record, and even though tim didnt exactly lambast him, it was as if he didnt have to. GWs was doing a fine job of hanging himself. all in all, i gave it a 6 for an interview. i though tim did alrite, i dont know anyone in mass media who would have done better. and the goal sorta backfired on bush. not a good idea. im not sure if even his base was impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Man Bob Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by mental invalid im not sure if even his base was impressed. http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted February 9, 2004 Author Share Posted February 9, 2004 good link, i heard about her comments on Imus today thats what i was talking about. "But certain facts of the interview were favorable to the president. Normally it's mano a mano at Mr. Russert's interview table in the big, cold studio. But this interview was in the Oval Office, on the president's home ground, in front of the big desk. Normally it's live, which would be unnerving for a normal person and is challenging for politicians. Live always raises the stakes. But Mr. Bush's interview was taped. Saturday. Taped is easier. You can actually say, "Can we stop for a second? Something in my eye." this was what i was most upset about it. atmosphere has so much power and influence. timmy shoulda demanded it on his turf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 what was that smoking gun thing from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 i was thinking the other day about how many scandals these dudes have been through and miraculously squashed. fucking unbelievable. like..this dude's presidency is basically one big fat ass, 4 year scandal. it's hilarious. in a total absurd retard way.. if anyone comes across some footage that's online, please hook it up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted February 9, 2004 Author Share Posted February 9, 2004 bobbo, little help on that quote, am i missing something? aside from the banality and his dumb ass remark about taxpayers and election years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Man Bob Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by mental invalid bobbo, little help on that quote, am i missing something? aside from the banality and his dumb ass remark about taxpayers and election years? What quote, homey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Man Bob Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Decent article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...7-2004Feb8.html President Bush, at Home With the Issues By Tom Shales Monday, February 9, 2004; Page C01 What did the president really know, and what made him think he really knew it? That was sort of the question put over and over to George W. Bush by Tim Russert of NBC News on a special edition of "Meet the Press" yesterday. Russert interrogated Bush on the matter of faulty intelligence and the role it played in Bush's decision to invade Iraq. The portly inquisitor concentrated so relentlessly on that subject, in fact, that there may have been insufficient time for other topics; buzz around town had it that Bush wanted to take a stand against same-sex marriage, but he didn't get the chance. And not a word about Janet Jackson's exposed breast at the Super Bowl, which actually might have come up if the interview had been in less sober and skillful hands than Russert's. Somewhat reminiscent of Raymond Burr as Perry Mason when he bore down on a victim in the witness chair, Russert proved a tough questioner without becoming a showoff during the interview, which was taped Saturday in the Oval Office. Bush wore his customary blue necktie and dark suit but looked unusually tired, his eyes puffy and bagging. Like every president, Bush must be aging in office; Dorian Gray would show wear and tear in this job. Americans see so little of the current president on television, however -- especially in uncontrolled situations where he is questioned at length -- that his somewhat crumpled visage was initially startling. Throughout the questioning, however, Bush gave an impression of firmness. A few times he bristled, if gently, at a Russert attempt to cut an answer short, but he didn't get snippy about it. He just continued on with whatever he'd been trying to say. Russert's first question was about intelligence -- about forming a commission to investigate the intelligence failures that allegedly led Bush and his troupe to believe absolutely that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction in his possession. The interview produced a bit of news right away when Bush dismissed the notion that CIA Director George Tenet's job was in trouble: "Not at all, not at all." Otherwise, in terms of content, not a great deal new emerged from the interview. With television, though, style can easily be content, and Bush, from the outset of the session, came across as defensive and slightly, subtly agitated, with that "I'd rather be anywhere else right now" demeanor hiding behind his careful smile. It's widely known that Bush is uncomfortable in these ad-lib situations and so has held scandalously few televised press conferences during his term. Sitting down with Russert, who is known as tough but not bullying, was probably a wise political move. The only thing to fear was not fear itself but some sort of egregious gaffe or, perhaps, a display of foul temper. Those pitfalls were avoided, and thus it seems safe to predict an uptick in Bush's approval rating this morning just because he did the interview, not because of anything he said or the way he conducted himself. When the matter of the election came up, Bush exuded confidence: "I don't plan on losing." But if he and his inner circle were that confident, Bush wouldn't have been giving the interview in the first place. His merely doing it was perhaps as newsy as any specific comment he made or question he answered. Russert's hammering away on the intelligence issue was nothing if not persistent. Intelligence indicated there was "no doubt" that the weapons of mass destruction were there, Russert quoted Bush as saying when he declared war. Eventually Russert got carried away with his demands to know how Bush could take the country to war without "ironclad, absolute intelligence." What would that be? A photograph of Saddam himself heaving a missile into the air, or putting anthrax into an envelope and addressing it to the White House? On the other hand, Bush was hardly eloquent in restating and restating his case, of course, noting at one point that David Kay came up with the shocking revelation that Saddam was "a dangerous man in the dangerous part of the world." Later Bush said Kay reported of Iraq that "the place was a dangerous place." Does Bush know that he can walk to some neighborhoods not that far from the White House and find himself in "a dangerous place?" The characterization sounded ludicrous, especially in light of the feverishness of prewar rhetoric. Bush also gave ruthless opponents a potential quote to be yanked out of context in the attempt to defeat him when he said, "I don't think America can stand by and hope for the best from a madman." Inevitably, there were examples of Bushspeak, the president's own particular syntax, which sometimes has a Mobius-strip or Lewis Carroll quality to it -- as when Bush said, "In my judgment, when the United States says there will be serious consequences, and if there isn't serious consequence, it creates adverse consequences." But we knew what he meant. When Russert brought up the old charges about Bush's service in the National Guard during the Vietnam War not having been particularly valorous, Bush used the rhetorical trick of implying that such criticism somehow cast aspersions on the National Guard. "I wouldn't denigrate service to the Guard," he cautioned Russert. Other predictable subjects covered included the economy ("The recession started upon my arrival" in the White House, Bush said) and the deficit, and partisan politics ("I don't attack" and, earlier, "I'm working hard to unite the country"). Apparently as a gesture of decorum and respect, NBC cut back on the number of commercial interruptions in "Meet the Press." But not entirely. There were two large commercial breaks, one of which included an ad for Cialis, a new drug in the Viagra vein and one that opens, said the announcer, a 36-hour window of opportunity. "When the moment is right," he asked, "will you be ready?" Jeez Louise, did they have to run that during an interview with the president of the United States? There were ads for big defense contractors like Boeing and General Electric, which owns NBC. The network also aired -- again in dubious tastefulness -- a promo for the next episode of its faux White House drama "The West Wing," a collection of quick shots that included the detonation of a nuclear bomb. Apparently President Jed Bartlet is having an even tougher time than President George W. Bush. Fairly early in the interview, Russert quoted a prominent Republican as predicting that Osama bin Laden, the most-wanted man in the world, would be captured prior to the November election. There was the hint of a suggestion of an implication that, say, if Osama bin Laden were captured tomorrow, or three months ago, the news might be somehow withheld until the most politically advantageous moment. Could such an outrageous scenario actually occur? That's more chilling than this horrible Washington winter. But it often seems that when the new century and new millennium began, the lines separating fact and fiction grew closer, and that if they haven't overlapped already, they could at any given moment. For now, Russert and NBC News can congratulate themselves on a job well done, and they will. And though there wasn't a lot of visual interest in this hour of two talking heads, a closing shot of Bush and Russert sitting in the center of the pattern on the Oval Office rug was strikingly beautiful. We're talking about rug here? Yes, we are. One must must look for little encouragements where one can find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Man Bob Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 BROWNZ - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/ There's some video highlights on that page, if you're interested. http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/MeetThePress/z_EVERGREEN/picw_tim_russert_mtpfront_10a.jpg'> Boo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted February 9, 2004 Author Share Posted February 9, 2004 the smoking gun clip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted February 9, 2004 Author Share Posted February 9, 2004 oh come on...i know im biased, but who would have done a better job then russert? brokaw? jennings? hannity? kopel? cooper? walters or sawyer? i know i know, its like lesser of two evils, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 i would've liked to see some of the 60 minutes fools go at him.. whatever. i'm just waiting for november. if he's reelected, i'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26SidedCube Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/ ^Someone posted that.. good link. Even tho it doesn't really pertain to the interview I liked how this was worded: "Democrats have minds that do it through talking points, and Republicans have minds that do speeches. (Mr. Bush has given a dozen memorable speeches already; only one of his Democratic challengers has, and that was "I Have a Scream.") And the reason--perhaps--is that Democratic candidates tend to love the game of politics, and Republican candidates often don't. Democrats, because they admire government and seek to be part of it, are inclined to think the truth of life is in policy. How could they not then be engaged by policy talk, and its talking points? Republicans think politics is something you have to do and that policy is something you have to have to move things forward in line with a philosophy. They like philosophy. But they are bored by policy and hate having to memorize talking points. Speeches are the vehicle for philosophy. Interviews are the vehicle of policy. Mr. Kerry does talking points and can't give an interesting speech. Mr. Bush can't do talking points and gives speeches full of thought and assertion. Philosophy takes time. If you connect your answers in an interview to philosophy, or go to philosophy first, you can look as if you're dodging the question. You can forget the question. You can look a little gaga. But policy doesn't take time. Policy is a machine gun--bip bip bip. Education policy, bip bip bip. Next." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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