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Why does train painting not flourish In the U.S

Discussion in 'Third Rail' started by Steady Shine, Dec 21, 2005.

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  1. Steady Shine

    Steady Shine New Jack

    Joined: Feb 16, 2005 Messages: 26 Likes Received: 0
    Why don't U.S writers paint trains? This has got me stumped.

    I have seen all the world VS u.s arguements on this board and hopefully this will not turn into one. I am very interested in why there is a small or non existant train scene in the U.S

    First off why this confuses me.

    I come from a city with a population of under 2 million that has a large urban sprawl. The train system is by comparison to anywhere else extremely small. Five lines, all under an hour to travel from one end to the other.

    What stops us painting trains?

    -Electric fences
    -Sensor fences
    -Sebsored yards
    -Guard dogs
    -Alot of guards
    -razor wire trenches
    -Fucking MOATS (yes 6m moats full of water like the fucking dark ages)

    Does shit still get crushed?

    Fuck yes. We even manage to get our shit running in traffic depending on layup and backjump times.

    Why then in a city as incredibley populated as NYC do trains never get done?

    Every train system in the world needs layups for dealing with track clashes. A system that carries 7 million or something a day surely has to have A FUCKING LOT of trains which in turn equals MULTIPLE LARGE yards to store them.

    What other cities in the U.S have train systems? <-- I would really like to know this

    I thought maybe it was just an evolution within the country a move away from trains and onto street bombing. But then I see how much the freight trains catch love so that theory went out the window.

    If you love street bombing and throwups (I do too) but you love painting freight trains (me too) then how is real steel panels on a clean commuter not held in the 1st place regard ?

    The only defense I have ever heard is that they are 'too hard' to be done in NYC.

    Again I am not trying to start any kind of fight but to state FACTS the tourists that visit NYC absolutely KILL trains.

    This thread has been sparked by the mass transit strike that has hit NYC. It makes me want to keel over and die thinking of not being there for that situation. Please tell me someone is taking advantage of it.

    So to round off this chapter of undrafted semi drunk dribbling train passion can some U.S writers shed some light on ....

    How much steel actually does get painted?
    OR
    Why steel dosnt get painted?
    OR
    Again, what other cities have transit systems?
    OR
    any other similar shit you think I might want to know

    Peace in advance to the cats that might drop some knowledge and eat a dick to the generic 12oz toys that will come in to throw some hate in any and every thread they find
     
  2. frate busta

    frate busta New Jack

    Joined: Jan 10, 2005 Messages: 84 Likes Received: 0
    its not to be said that cleans dont get done, the intimidation factor is there for a lot of less established writers as the likely hood of catching a running panel is near impossible, the interest isnt there for the 95 % of the poppulation... Thus leaving a select few who eat sleep and breath metal who hit them

    Now this is where you're misunderstanding, in the city im from our system gets hit all the time, not only out of towners but our writers as well, the simple fact is that these writers aren't putting the pictures up on the internet left right and center, of that 5% of writeres left you could say that the likely hood of self promotion is non existent.....
    Thus creating a misunderstanding of the actual amount done,

    Your concepts are not the first time ive heard of the fact that your security is through the roof. Not so long ago we had a European visitor who was laughing at our train security...

    There you have it I hope that you've got the idea now
     
  3. !@#$%

    !@#$% Moderator Crew

    Joined: Oct 1, 2002 Messages: 18,517 Likes Received: 621
    i've done cleans in a few cities
    pictures don't get around.

    i know a couple of guys who are going way harder than i ever did or hoped to.
    but their shit is not becoming public. it's for their own enjoyment.
    law enforcement is a bitch here.

    if those pictures got out and a case was built against those guys, it would probably mean hundreds of thousands in fines, a raided house, confiscated stuff plus jail time in a u.s. prison.

    plus we have the option of freights.
    freights in europe suck
    but in the u.s., their are millions of them and they travel all over the continent.

    for info on u.s transit systems
    (which cities have them, links to the sites of the transit systems so you can see how tiny some are..)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metro...s#United_States
     
  4. sillysiphilis

    sillysiphilis Member

    Joined: Jan 20, 2005 Messages: 468 Likes Received: 0
    Doesn't Portland and Minneapolis also have light rail systems?
    Wikipedia can suck sometimes
     
  5. PHILLY IS WILD

    PHILLY IS WILD Junior Member

    Joined: May 8, 2005 Messages: 147 Likes Received: 0
    i know in most places they simply will not let bombed trains run, as soon as they see them monday morning, they are taken off the line and buffed, letting literally no one see them...this is where you get into the debate of doing graff for fame vs. personal sake...but yeah, its kinda like asking why is it cool to walk down the street smoking a joint in europe, but not in the u.s? things are just different here
     
  6. EnimeeOne

    EnimeeOne Member

    Joined: Feb 21, 2005 Messages: 404 Likes Received: 0
    Age old question..
    I think the answer is, more people do paint cleans than you would think in the US.
    Freights are so popular so the mentality is different.
    Booyahh...
     
  7. Steady Shine

    Steady Shine New Jack

    Joined: Feb 16, 2005 Messages: 26 Likes Received: 0
    Ok so similar scene to my environment. (not europe)

    Which is to say basically 20% of writers are actually driven to do it and not much runs and everything is kept well on the downlow.

    Also this is not a call for fucking info or pictures. I will buy a magazine for that. It is natural to assume it dosn't get spread on here. Obviously with the physical security measures we also have our own nazi investigation squads, giant fines and serious jail time.

    Yeah we paint alot of freights also. The freight fleet size of the U.S must be mind boggling. Freights are easy(er) here (moats, dogs and pissed off workers with tools) so we do them alot. Maybe its uneducation by what are the U.S freight spots like with the 'crazy bum/derelict' culture? suckers ever get bashed ? :haha: Any freight car series or certain companys that have their trains run across your boarders into mexico and canada n shit? those would be fucking dope to paint.
     
  8. fr8UNIT

    fr8UNIT Member

    Joined: May 14, 2004 Messages: 916 Likes Received: 7
    In my city alone there is transit lines and they do get painted as well goes for people I know in other cities who are crushing their transit lines. but for obvious reasons these cats don't post pictures of them online. This leads to the misconception of americans on cleans, not a lot of people post the flicks. They do it for themselves not for self promotion on the net.

    Plus, the freight scene is fucking huge and yes, our freights travel through canada and back as well as mexico and back. So painting a freight means your shit will get caught in three countries not to mention freights don't get buffed like cleans so your shit lasts. Plus freights are a breeze to paint in my city, it's almost too easy.
     
  9. wAndEreR

    wAndEreR Member

    Joined: Apr 11, 2005 Messages: 774 Likes Received: 0
    oh man, nice questions.

    go fuck yerself.
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  10. fearthesear

    fearthesear Junior Member

    Joined: Sep 28, 2005 Messages: 101 Likes Received: 0
    well this is a very controversial topic if you lived here you would know why but alll the sensor cameras moats etc.. are no comparison to the us we have bulls crooked ones at that , that will killl you and leave you on the tracks and here they dont go to your house and bust you they build cases against you and do complete investigations even what im typing right now can be saved to a police database ..


    also europes' entire mentallity towards graffiti or anything in that matter is passive like the second rennaissance and we americans get run over by trains killed and busted anll of the time


    no the scene has not gone to city bombing only but thats how everyone starts out thats how you get respect...further more ther are a lot of toys whish is all they do is city shit...

    oh yeash i dont agree with that 5 percent statement its more like 10 to 15 percent depending on where you live a lot of trains get hit but here bulls and cops are fucking corrupt and their not the only people you have to worry about.. other writers, bums, railworkers any of these people under the wrong circumstances can get you killed cause i dunno about europe but hee people are really defensive about "their spot" and walking into another niggas' "spot" can get you stabbed or worse lest we forget captain save a hoes which are normal people who try to be "heroes" and kick your ass...

    so heres my response in a nutshell..
    come over here and find out you euros dont care you smash a few freights then leave us on the other hand have to live here....nuff said
     
  11. Sene

    Sene New Jack

    Joined: Dec 3, 2005 Messages: 66 Likes Received: 0
    Hell, I live in the second largest city in IL. I've got a freight yard and a CTA yard. The CTAs run into Chicago and I know that if i paint them, they'll at least make one trip. Its just the fact that its too easy to buff my work off that its not worth it to me. I'll just stick to freights I think..
    EDIT: Plus, Im sure that when trains roll out of the CTA yard all bombed out..they'll know where I come from. :burn:
     
  12. cpickle

    cpickle Member

    Joined: Sep 3, 2002 Messages: 886 Likes Received: 6
    In the US right now there are about 300,000 freight cars. Theoretically any of them can go anywhere, but because commerce and industry follow patterns, so do the freights... most boxcars and such wind up going between two or four different cities, around and around... of course the cities could be Los Angeles and St. Louis and Atlanta...

    Having recently been in London and Dortmund, i can say Yes, American train security is a bit of a laugh... last month i was in a US city where we basically walked right into the yard... not even a fence really... that just wouldn't happen in Europe. And in the US you're not gonna be painting a trackside wall when a train bears down on you doing 180 mph, that's three miles a minute if you're counting, and you have twenty seconds tops between when you see it and you're hamburger if you don't move, and NO you can't hear it before it's onto you...

    the rush of being in a sanfran tunnel when a muni zipped past doing 50, one foot away... and the rush of being three feet away from a German ICE train doing 180 three feet away... while you're ducked in by the electrical pylon... yeah stuff in Europe is crazier... America is cake by comparison...

    and yes i seen a few flix from here, stuff gets done, and almost nobody sees it but the writers and their friends. euro's come over here and with a connection or two they get their panels and their flix and take 'em home...

    the big mistake folks here make, is trying to get a scene going with pieces... you can't do it... in NYC 1970s it was tags tags tags everywhere and then you get stuff up faster than the buff can remove it...only THEN can you get pieces running...

    unless you wanna do the old routine where you do pieces on one train and smash the windows on everything else in the yard... a bit brutal but it can work...
     
  13. EnimeeOne

    EnimeeOne Member

    Joined: Feb 21, 2005 Messages: 404 Likes Received: 0
    If you know a system well you can get shit running.
    Backjumps will always run for a short period too.
     
  14. GLIK$

    GLIK$ Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jul 23, 2002 Messages: 22,277 Likes Received: 117
    Trust me, we paint transit in the US.
     
  15. courtorder

    courtorder Senior Member

    Joined: Mar 11, 2005 Messages: 1,371 Likes Received: 0
    'Cause you don't know the right people homie.
     
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