By registering with us, you'll be able to discuss, share and private message with other members of our community.

  1. Welcome to the 12ozProphet Forum...
    You are currently logged out and viewing our forum as a guest which only allows limited access to our discussions, photos and other forum features. If you are a 12ozProphet Member please login to get the full experience.

    Please note, if you are a 12ozProphet Member and are locked out of your account, you can recover your account using the 'lost password' link in the login form. If you no longer have access to the email you registered with, please email us at [email protected] and we'll help you recover your account.

my open letter to the dean campaign and his supporters....

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by mental invalid, Feb 11, 2004.

  1. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    i know alot of you supporters have taken the initiative to actually write letters to prospective voters on behalf of your candidate, which i admire.

    could you do me a favor and write a letter telling dr. dean that he needs to step out of the race for the nomination. please give him my regards, and tell him if we do win the white house, a large part, history will say, had to do with howard dean and his jump into the national scene, lighting a fire under candidates asses, rallying against the iraq war, easing the fear for people to question bush, making kerry a stronger and a better challenge, and making the democratic base stronger and better ahead of this election season. he will have contributed mightly to the win and should be content with that, and let know one deny him his place. but he should let the dream manifest itself into what it really is all about, no bush in 04.

    and deans greatest hour is still ahead of him. he will be called on to enegerize his base, to call out his deaniacs to cast their votes. to use his influence to help push the party to victory.

    but his time on the national stage needs to come to a dignified close. his campaign will be analyzed for years to come, why he soared, and how he dove. it was tremendous to watch, and i respect and admire the man. but his custers style last stand in wisconsin will end up no different for him then it did for custer.

    certainly this has nothing to do with what some pundits say is the constant attacking, which only weakens kerry. look, kerry is either going to get attacked now, or attacked later, and he might as well negate those attacks now, and be able to reference that negation later on in the presidential debates.

    no, this isnt about the attacks, its about the green kiddies, the money, the mulah. resources need to be consolidated, and used wisely against the war chest of bush. we have democrats who can barely afford to dontate 200 dollars, while whose 2,000 dinner shakedowns and handshakes are creating a goliath, a leviathan staring down at us and our causes.

    now is the time for the parts to become the whole. circle the wagon, the winter of politics is upon us. rest up, gather the resources and the money and wait for the spring to begin to take the white house back.

    this is what deans need to do and what needs to be done, for his legacy, and our future.


  2. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    was hoping for some round table discussions.
  3. You expect them (and us) to take you seriously without proper capitalization?
  4. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    hahaha...sorry for the informality bastard...
  5. you wrote mightly where you probably meant mightily.
    sounds good and its on point, do you think they have a chance of reading it?
  6. Hahaha, now go back and fix that crap...

    No seriously, I'm super disappointed at the turn Dean's campaign has taken, not so much for thinking he was the best candidate, but because I really dug how his campaign was carried out... it shattered the status quo and involved new ways of getting the word out and gathering supporters, and I wanted to see that kind of campaigning succeed and set a new precedent. Now that he fell off sharply, I don't know if the campaign is going to be admired much... though it will be analyzed like crazy for years to come like you mentioned.

    I want to agree that now is the time to focus all our energies on backing Kerry and defeating Bush, but if anything, Dean's campaign just demonstrated that the long-held belief that early momentum vastly increases chances of winning the candidacy wasn't necessarily true. In fact, the hype seems to build up so high, and so much energy is spent, that one mistake (like publicly going apeshit after losing the first primary) can bring the whole thing crashing down horribly. In the same way, I don't know if getting behind Kerry so soon is necessarily beneficial to him in the long run... we might spend our energies before the real shit hits the real fan.
  7. Poop Man Bob

    Poop Man Bob Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Nov 16, 2000 Messages: 10,259 Likes Received: 18
    I liked this a lot:
    You're damn right. Other candidates took the part of Dean that made him appeal to so many dissatisfied citizens and co-opted it as part of their campaign. And I don't blame them - it's what helped salvage Kerry's campaign.

    But I'm not sure it's time for everyone else vying for the presidency to bow out. The Dems continue to get a lot of free press covering all of the primaries. The only reason the press is there is because there's still a contest to cover. Granted, Kerry has been handily winning all of the contests lately, but the press coverage will undoubtedly decrease if Kerry is the only one running.

    Plus, the press coverage highlights the Dems "attacks" against Bush. Do you think the press would otherwise cover anti-Bush messages if it weren't coming from the mouth of potential nominees? Me thinks not.

    So the effect of having Dean, and others, still in the race is twofold: 1) increased coverage of the Dems and their message; and 2) increased coverage of anti-Bush rhetoric.

    WITH THAT SAID: I don't want a brokered convention. By the time the convention rolls around, I hope the other candidates bow out and hand the torch to Kerry.
  8. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

    Joined: Oct 1, 2002 Messages: 18,517 Likes Received: 623
    i never supported dean.

    i don't care for doctors.
    his ever-morphing opinions, combined with his lack of a congressional voting record did not help change my mind.
    i liked his influence on the campaign [in general] though, as everyone has noted.

    hopefully the candidtaes will understand what the people want:
    no more bush
  9. Dr. Dazzle

    Dr. Dazzle Veteran Member

    Joined: Nov 19, 2001 Messages: 8,147 Likes Received: 3

    ERIZENO Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 30, 2003 Messages: 1,999 Likes Received: 28
    with what PMB said and Clark dropping out today we will need some people to continue to keep this on the front page and in the minds of general americans ( as we are so easily lead to only think about the stuff up front, ie. last weeks news ) i hadnt thought about it that way... i was thinking we needed to find one guy now and keep the push going ... but without some drama there no one will remember by the time comes.

    im still thinking the Bush camp will produce BinLaden in custody somewhere between 2 & 6 months before the election, but lets see.
  11. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8

    hahaha....well with mams critique of capitalization, and yours pointing out my less then stellar typos and mis-use of language and the fact that most times we as people dont listen to advice anyways, the answer is no, probably not.

    by the way this started from another site, where some girl who writes letters for him, was talking about not giving up the fight....

    honey...its over....
  12. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8

    some good points....especially the ideas of how much is smoke and mirrors when it comes to front runners...who said he was a front runner, how much of it was media driven, and what happens to front runners who are in front to long...
  13. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8

    those are some mighty fine and interesting points...i hadnt thought about that, especially the press coverage.

    its like in business where you always want atleast one competitor.
  14. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8

    ive always liked him as a senator, but like like him...no i guess not.
  15. gfreshsushi

    gfreshsushi Senior Member

    Joined: Sep 21, 2003 Messages: 2,244 Likes Received: 1
    nixon failed to win in (i think) two other presidential elections before he became president. you can bounce back and do it, it's just rare.