By registering with us, you'll be able to discuss, share and private message with other members of our community.

  1. Welcome to the 12ozProphet Forum...
    You are currently logged out and viewing our forum as a guest which only allows limited access to our discussions, photos and other forum features. If you are a 12ozProphet Member please login to get the full experience.

    If you are not a 12ozProphet Member, please take a moment to register to gain full access to our website and all of its features. As a 12ozProphet Member you will be able to post comments, start discussions, communicate privately with other members and access members-only content. Registration is fast, simple and free, so join today and be a part of the largest and longest running Graffiti, Art, Style & Culture forum online.

    Please note, if you are a 12ozProphet Member and are locked out of your account, you can recover your account using the 'lost password' link in the login form. If you no longer have access to the email you registered with, please email us at [email protected] and we'll help you recover your account. Welcome to the 12ozProphet Forum (and don't forget to follow @12ozprophet in Instagram)!

I hate being a freelance artist

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by SIELOETTE, Sep 14, 2001.


    SIELOETTE Senior Member

    Joined: Nov 13, 2000 Messages: 1,107 Likes Received: 0
    Can we say stress? Does anyone know what im talking about? Just when you get rolling on a project..the funds die..Or how about the serious flakes who have no idea what they want on a shirt..but somehow you have to make it..

    Right now..im unemployed..hence the I was fired story a few weeks back..
    and whats weird is..when I was working at a petty job..art projects were rolling in..i was so busy..i wouldnt eat all day..then pass out..i lived off espresso..
    well now that im free..the projects almost dried..

    and to knock it off..I just spent fifty hours on a project..I mean i had the pencil behind the ear..the light table..the power book with me everywhere..and the company bailed..these were good friends of mine..and they stiffed me..and I wasnt paid..
    so what gives..whats the secret?
    I have so many ideas for this great illustrated book right now..Im collecting images..but wheres the work? everyone seems to not know what they are doing..or cant muster proffesionalism with character at the same time..

    does anyone know of any illustration or design work..that could have me working at home..and making reasonable money?

    fill a sister in...

    and to everyone..sorry to whine..im just about to burst into flames

    SIELOETTE Senior Member

    Joined: Nov 13, 2000 Messages: 1,107 Likes Received: 0
    oh yeah..and the rich guys..that want a nice logo...
    then when you deliver the best thing youve seen in awhile..its symetrical..its perfect after computer work...they get their little homey to bust a wobbly nasty sharpie tag for the shirts..and pay him 500 bucks!

    rich guys with no taste
  3. Mr.LonelyHeart

    Mr.LonelyHeart Member

    Joined: Aug 31, 2001 Messages: 994 Likes Received: 0
    no. it's impossible. the only way to find such success is to sell your soul to the devil. [​IMG]
  4. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 235
    ya know what i do in times like this? i take a couple hours and i paint my friend 'rus' a canvas. it helps to clear my mind and uplift my spirit. if you wanna paint a canvas for 'rus' i'll give you his address...



    hang in there sis. there is alot to be said about sticking to your convictions, and operating on your plane of existence. good things come to those who wait...and work their asses off.

    check out any art schools in your area. after attending 2 of them i know there is always some sort of bulletin board w/ freelance work to be had.

  6. smeoo

    smeoo Senior Member

    Joined: Mar 13, 2001 Messages: 2,191 Likes Received: 0
    without doubt it CAN suck to the highest degree...ya do shit for people and do it quickly, and then spend the next 6 months trying to wrangle a $100 dollar cheque from the bastards...all the while eating pretzels to keep from starving...tried it for 8 months, wasn'nt sold on the idea so had to do the 9-5 again...at least now i can afford paint and pay the bills....

    SIELOETTE Senior Member

    Joined: Nov 13, 2000 Messages: 1,107 Likes Received: 0
    exactly smeoo..ive been pulling teeth..and for a point..was living off bulk oatmeal..but im lucky we have all kinds of wonderful stuff in the kitchen now a days..its just frustrating..because we all just want to make a living aaaaaannnnnd be happy at the same time..at what we consider we do best..and thats not retail for me..

    and seeking..whats in it for me? (wink wink smile)

    [This message has been edited by SIELOETTE (edited 09-14-2001).]
  8. graffitiSUX

    graffitiSUX Senior Member

    Joined: May 18, 2001 Messages: 1,659 Likes Received: 0
    i'm with smeeo on this one. i tried it for a couple years, and it paid well (very well) while it lasted. but the breaks in between jobs kept getting wider and wider and i found myself back in the slums with my parents. then had to swallow my pride and get a 9-5 to get out (again).

    thankfully, i have now moved to europe, the land of opportunity for the moment, while i get FREE training to get a good job for when i finally get home (i'm from australia). now i am making lots of money, and have a fat pad and big screen tv (my pride and joy). then on my time off i get to do what I want to do instead of trying to figure out what some fool in a suit wants (after the 15th time i have drafted EXACTLY what he has told me).
  9. nipples-galore

    nipples-galore Elite Member

    Joined: Feb 4, 2001 Messages: 2,567 Likes Received: 0
    man, i hear you.......i recently did a graphic for a snowboard co., and along with payment, all i asked for was a sample of the board when it was completed....(mind you, i got way less money because i wanted a board too).......a little over a year later, no board. I did get paid, but what i really wanted was to see the final product.

    you just cant trust businessmen.....only out for the bottom line. and they have not even the slightest idea of how much time and work it takes to produce something of quality. they think you can just whip something out in 5 minutes in photoshop. fools.

    i'd take seekings advice and paint something just for fun...after all, thats why you paint in the first place (but it really does blow to get screwed)
  10. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Guest

    I think I've got it made. http://www.12ozprophet.com/ubb//biggrin.gif'>

    Staff position at a craft video editing house,
    and acess to all the gear. It makes doing my own
    work easy, and the company keeps a steady stream
    of clients coming to me. They pay the company
    but we're all in it together.
    Hell, the boss put the place together so he
    wouldn't have to work for assholes.

    I'll stop with the boasting.
    Working freelance is the norm in the film/television industry.
    It's not quite the same as being an 'artist for hire'
    but the pay can be incredible, and you get to
    make quality work (sometimes).
    I'd say the best comprimise is to sell your
    services as a 'creative tech'. Then if 9-5 hits, it doesn't hurt so bad.
  11. jades_blue

    jades_blue Senior Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2000 Messages: 1,019 Likes Received: 0
    well well my dear. You know how I always want to help a friend in need...

    just like seeking suggesting that you should do a canvas for his 'friend'... If you do the same for me, I'll pay you. Not much.. but something worth your while.

    I still want to do that gallery shindig - I just need some help in organizing it. Perhaps you could sell some paintings.. who knows... Hit a girl up or something so we can talk things out.. I'm being serious ya know..
  12. beardo

    beardo Guest

    this is why they invented contracts. they arent as complex as you might think. you can work it into your contract that if they bail on the project they must compensate for the work you did. i have a simple freelance contract outline that i got in school. i'll scan it in and shoot it to whoever wants it.

    [This message has been edited by beardo (edited 09-14-2001).]
  13. alkaline

    alkaline Elite Member

    Joined: Apr 2, 2001 Messages: 3,097 Likes Received: 0
    I concur with Beardo. I spent a couple of years studying music business. In that time, the one thing that my mentor kept telling me over and over is always have some kind of a contract (a legally binding piece of paper). There are a lot of chumps out there that take advantage of free-lancers, and a contract is one of the best ways to prevent that.

    Stonecutters #1

    SIELOETTE Senior Member

    Joined: Nov 13, 2000 Messages: 1,107 Likes Received: 0
    yes..I usually have contracts..Unfortunately..I went weird..and thought these friends wouldnt need one..oh well..
  15. fr8oholic

    fr8oholic Veteran Member

    Joined: Apr 23, 2000 Messages: 9,256 Likes Received: 2
    does anyone know of any illustration or design work..that could have me working at home..and making reasonable money?

    fill a sister in...

    money up front sister and more for any other service you're providing. ie. added changes, (expediting)speeding up the job, the asshole tax?

    i don't work freelance but my experience in retail has put that last one to use many of time.

    you've got to be thorough and above all, professional.

    there's a difference between giving someone a good price because you need the money or simply lacking experience and getting jerked.