Let's talk about Social Conservatism.

[glorydays]

7 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

btw @glorydays- thank you for discussing your viewpoint on here.  I do appreciate it and we're all having good fun here discussing things with eachother.  I don't intend anything I've said as a personal attack on you so please let me know if you want me to change anything.  (I do think your shit will turn green if you rawdog too many tho)

 

funny you said that

 

i took an STD test last week....i'm clean as fuck

 

that was a real nail biter LMAO

[Dirty_habiT]

2 minutes ago, glorydays said:

 

DISCLAIMERRRR BLAH BLAH

 

1. That's an opinion. A male opinion. On a woman's genitalia.

 

2. Your argument against onlyfans is that "poor girls shouldn't be able to earn money on onlyfans?"

 

3. Your claim pertained to a pimp or sex trafficker that exploited a woman's ability to have sex and using that woman to earn money.

     Again, the point of sex work is to earn money that supplements any other income that a woman needs to live. 

     Does this woman need to make a brothel or bunny ranch to be seen as an active player within a capitalist system?

     If this woman doesn't make her onlyfans the facebook of all onlyfans pages, then she isn't successful?

     yeesh...then what's your baseline?

 

4. You assume for other people.....that sounds and looks like projection to me.

     Are you projecting onto others what you think happens to yourself?

 

1.  I would imagine this to be the popular opinion held by most males.  Do you like a woman more if you know that she has been with more men than another woman that you like equally as much?

 

2. My argument against only fans is that no matter who participates in it, it's not contributing to our society in a meaningful way.  How much money that goes through the black market of prostitution goes back into our system in a way that "everyone" can use?  aka taxes.  I would bet, and I'm not a gambling man, that most of the money circled through prostitution rings never contributes to society in a way that helps any of the people that have fallout as a result of participating in such behaviors.  The effects are complicated and far reaching.

 

3. A woman that is into that type of work should definitely have a goal to make it to the very tip top highest point possible in the profession.  I mean, she doesn't have to, I'd say she's a slouch of a prostitute though.  I'm not sure what you mean about making her page the FB of OF.  One more thing to point out here: you will have a VERY difficult time climbing the ladder in any corporate "main job" you have as soon as your "side gig" leaks...... and then you'll be booted and will have earned a name for yourself among professionals in the city.  Not a good look. 

 

4.  I haven't made any assumption.  I said it wasn't dignifying.  Look up dignifying and then tell me what part about any of that activity is dignifying.  Don't worry, I will definitely wait for this explanation as long as it takes.

[Dirty_habiT]

4 minutes ago, glorydays said:

 

I didn't say it stops rape in my answer...i implied that sex work provides an outlet that non sex workers cant provide willingly

 

I mean the goal is to just shot a wax dart right?  I mean,  you don't need anyone else to  do that unless you don't have function of your body for some reason..... and if that's the case you probably aren't out committing any rapes either.

[glorydays]

2 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

 

1.  I would imagine this to be the popular opinion held by most males.  Do you like a woman more if you know that she has been with more men than another woman that you like equally as much?

 

2. My argument against only fans is that no matter who participates in it, it's not contributing to our society in a meaningful way.  How much money that goes through the black market of prostitution goes back into our system in a way that "everyone" can use?  aka taxes.  I would bet, and I'm not a gambling man, that most of the money circled through prostitution rings never contributes to society in a way that helps any of the people that have fallout as a result of participating in such behaviors.  The effects are complicated and far reaching.

 

3. A woman that is into that type of work should definitely have a goal to make it to the very tip top highest point possible in the profession.  I mean, she doesn't have to, I'd say she's a slouch of a prostitute though.  I'm not sure what you mean about making her page the FB of OF.  One more thing to point out here: you will have a VERY difficult time climbing the ladder in any corporate "main job" you have as soon as your "side gig" leaks...... and then you'll be booted and will have earned a name for yourself among professionals in the city.  Not a good look. 

 

4.  I haven't made any assumption.  I said it wasn't dignifying.  Look up dignifying and then tell me what part about any of that activity is dignifying.  Don't worry, I will definitely wait for this explanation as long as it takes.

 

1. I can't answer an opinion. Derrida said that how you interpret the world around you is YOUR truth. 

     So, if you and, coincidentally others, hold the view that a woman is worth less or is "looser" after having a sordid sexual past, then that is your perogative.

     That being said, your opinion should be extended to men and how women would react to men and their past.

 

      Should the woman you're courting dump you if she knew that a cross dresser sucked your dick?

      

 

2. Nevada is an existing example of taxable sex work. Onlyfans, and its owner(s), are taxed, also.

    There's an opinion that all sex work, legal or not, are all "black market". Every state, except Nevada, has some sort of anti sex work law, but, onlyfans is legal and crosses all state borders.

     And a woman who does sex work, who benefits from the money made, is not a part of society? You assume that women who participate in sex work are as bad as illegal immigrants and is not a true citizen.

 

3. I don't understand the corporate ladder analogy being utilized within the context of sex work. From last I checked, there is no corporation based solely on sex work unless you count onlyfans. And even then, onlyfans is just a glorified social media site within the lines of Patreon. 

     Unless you can explain the sex work hierarchy and how that organization looks like, I don't think this is a strong argument.

  

     Getting booted from your "normal" job because of this "side gig" is the result of the stigma stemming from a woman's value based on her sex life which is none of any one's business.

 

4.  That's your opinion. I know what dignifying means. I also know that its used for description, akin to the words ugly or fat. Used as a descriptor, it dwells within the realm of hyperbole and opinion. 

     Would you call sex with your significant other undignified and what would be the delta or difference?

      Is all sex undignified or only when money is involved in anyway?

[glorydays]

18 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

 

I mean the goal is to just shot a wax dart right?  I mean,  you don't need anyone else to  do that unless you don't have function of your body for some reason..... and if that's the case you probably aren't out committing any rapes either.

 

You can't assume for other males. I had a marine roommate who told me that he refuses to jack off. He only wants pussy. 

He gets sex workers all the time.

[mr.yuck]

@Dirty_habiTthis is one of those topics that can be argued forever especially when you want to make this an issue of morality. Morality is subjective from person to person and region to region. 

 

Im wondering why we are having a conversation regarding a womans worth based around how many dicks she has internalized.

Edited October 28, 2020 by mr.yuck
Grammerz

[glorydays]

I have both popped cherries and had sex on camera with my friend who has an onlyfans

and everything in-between 

 

I don't feel any difference tbh 

LMAO

Edited October 28, 2020 by glorydays

[mr.yuck]

This is what I love about 12oz. I have a pretty libertarian/progressive/non religious bubble that I live in. Dhabz, your way of thinking is fucking wild to me and I have friends that genuinely advocate for children legally doing heroin if they can afford it lol.

[Dirty_habiT]

It's a replay of the Roman bath houses imo with the same impending outcome.  Will respond better later. 

[Mercer]

I could only watch 5 minutes of this guy's whining, and complaining. He should move to a religious community or invent a time machine. I mean what's the proposed solution here? You going to force women into fucking these unfuckable dudes? Like some sort of Socialist "equality" solution for the vaginally challenged on the international pussy economy? I'm sorry but if you can't get laid, or find a wife, maybe, just maybe you're the one with the problem. Same shit as a 30 year old still making minimum wage, it's not everyone else's fault, it's your fault.

 

I mean, imagine a world where there is no sex work, no strippers, and no only fans thots. I'm sorry, but that's a police state dystopia and not a world I want to live in. There was this experiment once, where they taught monkeys they could trade coins for food, then the monkeys started trading these coins amongst themselves. Guess what the first thing they started trading them for? Monkey pussy, that's the first (and main) thing. I bet if there was monkey heroin it would also be in high demand. There are narcotics trades and sex work taking place inside of max security prisons, and as unsightly as this is it's a fucking fact and that will never be changed. You can't stop it, even if you use force.

 

The entire thing with social conservatism is this. Yes, we all agree the world would be better off if we all shared the same "higher" moral values. The thing conservatives have to keep in mind is forcing these values on everyone else doesn't work out, once you try to force these values the world is even more worse off. Not only do we have to deal with these vices, but now we suffer from police state action. That's my problem with it, all I can hear is this guy bitching and moaning about a harsh reality of life that he has zero logical solutions for. In many ways it's like listening to a communist complaining about a lack of unlimited resources, and need to work. The only "solution" (never works) for this is ends up being, a police state, and shitty judgemental/confrontational SJW's (conservative, and liberal) micromanaging other peoples lives. Fuck that. I prefer freedom and minding my own business.

[Dirty_habiT]

I don't know so much about "forcing" anyone to do anything so much as I think that we should maintain the laws we have around the subject.  Nobody "forces" me to do the speed limit.  I drive spiritedly often and wouldn't want someone telling me I'm not free to make this decision.  Prostitution is the same way in this regard, however, there is not a long term risk of severe psychological issues associated with driving spiritedly.

 

 

"Like the job".  Let's pick that apart and look at what it REALLY could mean.  When you have sex, hormones are released, you feel good, all is well, and (apparently) some men's "need" to rape a woman is quelled.  (Still not buying that rapists thought to themselves just prior to committing the violent crime, "if only there were someone around that I could give money to for sex."

The hormones that make you feel good are the same types of chemicals that make dope fiends feel good too.  I would say someone that just "likes having sex" to the point of being willing to do it with rando's, endangering their life, risking their health, and doing it in exchange for money is a "dope fiend" themselves.  They're high on the chemicals of having orgasms.  Great for them.  It still doesn't contribute to society in any way and I won't ever buy that because you made your pay for pussy station available that you prevented a rape from happening.  In fact, I would argue the opposite.  By being a sex worker you are more at risk of being raped than an average person that doesn't work in the sex trade at all.

 

Anyway, if I get caught driving spiritedly, fuck it, I knew what I was doing was wrong and I know that I have to repay my society for the wrongs I have committed.  That's not being a boot licker, it's not loving a police state, it's understanding that our society needs structure to grow and survive.  Any of this "no government at all" stuff will for sure lead to anarchy, and we're already seeing some of that right now with the rioting over stuff that doesn't affect the people rioting.

 

You could be super socially conservative and have like 0% chance of getting shot by a police officer on purpose or on accident, justified or not.... Or you could make that choice to be a bad ass and come stabbing towards police KNOWING that they can and will shoot you and kill you (who cares about legality/morality etc when you're dead).  I'm not suggesting anyone deserves to reap any more than they sow, I'm suggesting that when our society stops playing stupid games, they will stop winning stupid prizes.

 

Nobody responded to Casek's comment about Japan's society already having basically this free sex trade market that many are dreaming of here.  What I don't understand is why would someone in a happy relationship would be pro sex trade when their needs are handled at home.  And if your sexual needs not being handled at home is a deal breaker for you, don't be a little rat and cheat, just be honest with yourself and DIGNIFIED..... and break it off.

 

I think people that cheat are pieces of shit honestly.

 

 

[glorydays]

(Still not buying that rapists thought to themselves just prior to committing the violent crime, "if only there were someone around that I could give money to for sex."

 

I'm still reading broski

 

BUT you would be very surprised at who and how many would answer that question.

[glorydays]

1 hour ago, Dirty_habiT said:

I don't know so much about "forcing" anyone to do anything so much as I think that we should maintain the laws we have around the subject.  Nobody "forces" me to do the speed limit.  I drive spiritedly often and wouldn't want someone telling me I'm not free to make this decision.  Prostitution is the same way in this regard, however, there is not a long term risk of severe psychological issues associated with driving spiritedly.

 

 

"Like the job".  Let's pick that apart and look at what it REALLY could mean.  When you have sex, hormones are released, you feel good, all is well, and (apparently) some men's "need" to rape a woman is quelled.  (Still not buying that rapists thought to themselves just prior to committing the violent crime, "if only there were someone around that I could give money to for sex."

The hormones that make you feel good are the same types of chemicals that make dope fiends feel good too.  I would say someone that just "likes having sex" to the point of being willing to do it with rando's, endangering their life, risking their health, and doing it in exchange for money is a "dope fiend" themselves.  They're high on the chemicals of having orgasms.  Great for them.  It still doesn't contribute to society in any way and I won't ever buy that because you made your pay for pussy station available that you prevented a rape from happening.  In fact, I would argue the opposite.  By being a sex worker you are more at risk of being raped than an average person that doesn't work in the sex trade at all.

 

Anyway, if I get caught driving spiritedly, fuck it, I knew what I was doing was wrong and I know that I have to repay my society for the wrongs I have committed.  That's not being a boot licker, it's not loving a police state, it's understanding that our society needs structure to grow and survive.  Any of this "no government at all" stuff will for sure lead to anarchy, and we're already seeing some of that right now with the rioting over stuff that doesn't affect the people rioting.

 

You could be super socially conservative and have like 0% chance of getting shot by a police officer on purpose or on accident, justified or not.... Or you could make that choice to be a bad ass and come stabbing towards police KNOWING that they can and will shoot you and kill you (who cares about legality/morality etc when you're dead).  I'm not suggesting anyone deserves to reap any more than they sow, I'm suggesting that when our society stops playing stupid games, they will stop winning stupid prizes.

 

Nobody responded to Casek's comment about Japan's society already having basically this free sex trade market that many are dreaming of here.  What I don't understand is why would someone in a happy relationship would be pro sex trade when their needs are handled at home.  And if your sexual needs not being handled at home is a deal breaker for you, don't be a little rat and cheat, just be honest with yourself and DIGNIFIED..... and break it off.

 

I think people that cheat are pieces of shit honestly.

 

 

 

DISCLAIMERRERERERRREER

 

There's ALOT of assumptions in this little diatribe. 

 

The first is this little ditty, ""if only there were someone around that I could give money to for sex."", which implies that you speak for a part of the population that wouldn't ask this question. And it definitely isn't just concerned around the subject of rape or morality.

 

Your whole second paragraph is a whole trash bag full of assumptions and guesses. The "chemicals" in our brain made naturally is NOWHERE near as strong as synthetic or "cooked" drugs. No fucking way. As for the "hooked on sex" thought, there are definitely cases of people being addicted to sex, BUT, that is more of a psychological underpinning more than it is a chemical dependency.

 

This hot take, "You could be super socially conservative and have like 0% chance of getting shot by a police officer on purpose or on accident, justified or not..." would have your audience accept that there are NO conservatives who get shot at all, or shot because of suicide by cop.

I believe this is hyperbole, but it still doesn't add anything to your argument.

 

And the belief that Japan's emasculation or lack of sex thereof, can be boiled down to mere number crunching is very arrogant and ignorant of that country's culture. There could possibly be a veritable assload of reasons why boys and men in Japan aren't interest in sex of any kind. I find that this argument is really Casek's projection of his own insecurities being used as a bias given as an answer.

Only those who live there can answer those questions and issues, and even then, all of their answers will be different.

There would be no one way of solving what you perceive as a problem.

Edited October 28, 2020 by glorydays

[Dirty_habiT]

8 hours ago, glorydays said:

 

1. I can't answer an opinion. Derrida said that how you interpret the world around you is YOUR truth. 

     So, if you and, coincidentally others, hold the view that a woman is worth less or is "looser" after having a sordid sexual past, then that is your perogative.

     That being said, your opinion should be extended to men and how women would react to men and their past.

 

      Should the woman you're courting dump you if she knew that a cross dresser sucked your dick?

      

 

2. Nevada is an existing example of taxable sex work. Onlyfans, and its owner(s), are taxed, also.

    There's an opinion that all sex work, legal or not, are all "black market". Every state, except Nevada, has some sort of anti sex work law, but, onlyfans is legal and crosses all state borders.

     And a woman who does sex work, who benefits from the money made, is not a part of society? You assume that women who participate in sex work are as bad as illegal immigrants and is not a true citizen.

 

3. I don't understand the corporate ladder analogy being utilized within the context of sex work. From last I checked, there is no corporation based solely on sex work unless you count onlyfans. And even then, onlyfans is just a glorified social media site within the lines of Patreon. 

     Unless you can explain the sex work hierarchy and how that organization looks like, I don't think this is a strong argument.

  

     Getting booted from your "normal" job because of this "side gig" is the result of the stigma stemming from a woman's value based on her sex life which is none of any one's business.

 

4.  That's your opinion. I know what dignifying means. I also know that its used for description, akin to the words ugly or fat. Used as a descriptor, it dwells within the realm of hyperbole and opinion. 

     Would you call sex with your significant other undignified and what would be the delta or difference?

      Is all sex undignified or only when money is involved in anyway?

 

1. That's a nice thought but I do not know who derrida is and their perception of reality holds no bearing on mine or what I do.  A woman is worth less monetarily in the sex trade the older and more worn out she is.  If you want to check the stats on that just go look at the various groups of porn available on your favorite site and see which ones have the most views/likes/etc.

 

To a man that has dignity, (I think) he will value a woman as a potential mate or partner less the more men she has been with.  Tell me I'm wrong about that.  At what point EVER have you or any friend you have had said or suggested in any way that they'd love to be with a woman MORE based on the merit of how many men she had been with previously.  I have had a lot of friends in my adolescent/adult lifetime and not one of them ever suggested anything like that ever.

 

I have a strict rule of keeping what happens between me and another woman between me and that woman only.  I don't take pictures, I don't brag to my friends, I don't talk about it with you guys even in the threads that welcome such conversations.  It is for this reason that a woman cannot devalue me based upon the same reasoning.

 

2. Sales tax isn't the same as income tax.

 

3. There are plenty of corporations based upon sex, masturbation, and sex work.  Any app/site/etc that makes money off the trade, human trafficking is very organized and run like a corporation, owner of fleshlight buys a new sports car with his fuck you money every other month.  A person selling only themselves (onlyfans,prostitution,etc) is thinking small potatoes.  Ask yourself, do you think that a woman selling images or the opportunity to touch her vagina is going to be buying sports cars with fuck you money every other month?  If you want to think small, low rent, then you will live small and low rent.  There is no supplementation of income that is "good enough" to warrant the loss of character morale.

 

Selling pussy or dick just isn't scalable until you start doing shady shit and exploiting people..... Pornhub has been linked to human trafficking as has the prostitution industry time and time again.  Based upon the logic that pay for sex prevents rapes, you could say the fleshlight founder has prevented every future rape ever.

 

4. I don't consider dignifying activities/thoughts to be difficult to identify.  I don't think they straddle any line of hyperbole, it's pretty easy to tell what is dignified or not.  There is no fuzzy meaning or gray area on the word.  Ugly and fat are very easily skewed.  Fat Ethopia is different than fat in America.  Dignity holds it's meaning no matter where you are on the globe.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignity#European_Union

 

Check out Germany's section in that link.  They made it illegal to have an abortion because an embryo is considered to have human dignity.  You can have an abortion w/ counsel only, which basically (I think) shuts out any of the repeat abortion sex trade bs.  I could be wrong, but it seems like it's a good control on a problem that is difficult to control.

[glorydays]

21 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

 

1. That's a nice thought but I do not know who derrida is and their perception of reality holds no bearing on mine or what I do.  A woman is worth less monetarily in the sex trade the older and more worn out she is.  If you want to check the stats on that just go look at the various groups of porn available on your favorite site and see which ones have the most views/likes/etc.

 

To a man that has dignity, (I think) he will value a woman as a potential mate or partner less the more men she has been with.  Tell me I'm wrong about that.  At what point EVER have you or any friend you have had said or suggested in any way that they'd love to be with a woman MORE based on the merit of how many men she had been with previously.  I have had a lot of friends in my adolescent/adult lifetime and not one of them ever suggested anything like that ever.

 

I have a strict rule of keeping what happens between me and another woman between me and that woman only.  I don't take pictures, I don't brag to my friends, I don't talk about it with you guys even in the threads that welcome such conversations.  It is for this reason that a woman cannot devalue me based upon the same reasoning.

 

2. Sales tax isn't the same as income tax.

 

3. There are plenty of corporations based upon sex, masturbation, and sex work.  Any app/site/etc that makes money off the trade, human trafficking is very organized and run like a corporation, owner of fleshlight buys a new sports car with his fuck you money every other month.  A person selling only themselves (onlyfans,prostitution,etc) is thinking small potatoes.  Ask yourself, do you think that a woman selling images or the opportunity to touch her vagina is going to be buying sports cars with fuck you money every other month?  If you want to think small, low rent, then you will live small and low rent.  There is no supplementation of income that is "good enough" to warrant the loss of character morale.

 

Selling pussy or dick just isn't scalable until you start doing shady shit and exploiting people..... Pornhub has been linked to human trafficking as has the prostitution industry time and time again.  Based upon the logic that pay for sex prevents rapes, you could say the fleshlight founder has prevented every future rape ever.

 

4. I don't consider dignifying activities/thoughts to be difficult to identify.  I don't think they straddle any line of hyperbole, it's pretty easy to tell what is dignified or not.  There is no fuzzy meaning or gray area on the word.  Ugly and fat are very easily skewed.  Fat Ethopia is different than fat in America.  Dignity holds it's meaning no matter where you are on the globe.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignity#European_Union

 

Check out Germany's section in that link.  They made it illegal to have an abortion because an embryo is considered to have human dignity.  You can have an abortion w/ counsel only, which basically (I think) shuts out any of the repeat abortion sex trade bs.  I could be wrong, but it seems like it's a good control on a problem that is difficult to control.

 

DISCLAIMMMERERERERER

 

1. Your confusing fetishes and preference (the basis of watching porn) with who is available at any one time during the day. Not everyone is in sex work, and those who participate in that type of work, is most likely in a small group and not always available. 

So who you are able to get a hold of at the time is who you are able to see. That is part of the point of being a customer of those services.

 

This part of your argument is, again, your opinion. And opinions can't be held against a standard or baseline. Your opinion is, in this case especially, not mine.

And just because there are many who have the same opinion as you, does not make you right.

 

What you do and with whom is most definitely YOUR prerogative.

If that is your argument, then women should be extended the same courtesy.

Women should be able to do what they want, regardless of what you believe is dignified or not.

 

2. The statement, "Sales tax isn't the same as income tax." is definitely true, but both types of taxes are still a net gain for the state, thus nullifying your argument.

It very much IS a contributor to society.

And you didnt engage my questions, because of your argument of society, on whether or not women are a part of society at all.

 

Aren't women allowed to make money the way they want or are avenues of making money only allowed depending on a moral barometer?

That would make morality itself completely arbitrary.

 

3. You started off your argument saying that sex work has absolutely no place in society based on moral and marketable grounds.

Now you're arguing the fact that a sex worker can make their services a multimillion dollar corporation.

 

Understand that Onlyfans is not owned by a sex worker.

 

A woman can engage in sex work WITHOUT having to deal with bad actors.

 

You're moving the goal post with your arguments on pornhub and the bad actors associated with it.

 

4. Again, whatever is considered dignified depends completely on the individual who identifies as such.

 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and blah blah. Meaning your idea of dignified is completely different to the next person.

 

You are conflating abortion with sex work....that's a no go ghostrider. 

Liberal ideologies are not interchangeable.

 

This is an argument on AGENCY and whether or not women are allowed to act on their own behalf regardless of other people's opinion.

Edited October 28, 2020 by glorydays

[Dirty_habiT]

32 minutes ago, glorydays said:

 

DISCLAIMERRERERERRREER

 

There's ALOT of assumptions in this little diatribe. 

 

The first is this little ditty, ""if only there were someone around that I could give money to for sex."", which implies that you speak for a part of the population that wouldn't ask this question. And it definitely isn't just concerned around the subject of rape or morality.

 

Your whole second paragraph is a whole trash bag full of assumptions and guesses. The "chemicals" in our brain made naturally is NOWHERE near as strong as synthetic or "cooked" drugs. No fucking way. As for the "hooked on sex" thought, there are definitely cases of people being addicted to sex, BUT, that is more of a psychological underpinning more than it is a chemical dependency.

 

This hot take, "You could be super socially conservative and have like 0% chance of getting shot by a police officer on purpose or on accident, justified or not..." would have your audience accept that there are NO conservatives who get shot at all, or shot because of suicide by cop.

I believe this is hyperbole, but it still doesn't add anything to your argument.

 

And the belief that Japan's emasculation or lack of sex thereof, can be boiled down to mere number crunching is very arrogant and ignorant of that country's culture. There could possibly be a veritable assload of reasons why boys and men in Japan aren't interest in sex of any kind. I find that this argument is really Casek's projection of his own insecurities being used as a bias given as an answer.

Only those who live there can answer those questions and issues, and even then, all of their answers will be different.

There would be no one way of solving what you perceive as a problem.

 

I'm talking about what you said, in reference to sex work being common/legal preventing rapes because anyone that wants to rape someone would easily just be able to go pay for sex, legally.  What happens when a poor person with no morals wants sex in your scenario?  Ok, what happens when 1 million poor people with no morals want sex?  What are the statistical chances that nobody gets raped in that situation?  Could you argue 0?

 

The chemicals not being as potent do not make them less addictive.  Would you agree that a drug addiction is a psychological problem?  Is a chemical dependency a psychological problem?

The comment about not getting shot because you've behaved in a socially conservative manner is to highlight the merits of being socially conservative in opposition to not.  It seems that people getting rekt by police lately haven't been behaving in a very socially conservative manner.  This doesn't mean republican, conservative politically, etc.... this means SOCIALLY conservative.

 

Social distancing is the most socially conservative thing that has been forced upon this nation in a very long time and everyone just seems to be sliding it down the throat hole like a big slimy cock.  Where is the resistance to this forced social conservatism when the CDC reported numbers were that just 6% of the 210k reported "deaths with covid" were "deaths FROM covid".  That means that, if the numbers in 2019 were true about the standard flu.... 80k people died from flu. 

 

What is 6% of 210k?  How does that number compare to 80k killed by a common cold that we're all very aware of.  Remember it's death caused by, not died with.  This would be like saying people died from having herpes because they tested positive for it after death.  This (210k dead from covid) is the untruth being peddled to the average American that will listen to the news.

 

I don't think it's fair to label things as projection when you don't agree with them.  I think it's more dignifying to just say that you don't agree rather than assign malice (in saying someone is projecting).  If you want to look at psychology you will know that it's understood that people believe others to believe, behave, and think like themselves.  What this suggests is that everyone is always projecting, all the time.

[Dark_Knight]

4 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

 

I'm talking about what you said, in reference to sex work being common/legal preventing rapes because anyone that wants to rape someone would easily just be able to go pay for sex, legally.  What happens when a poor person with no morals wants sex in your scenario?  Ok, what happens when 1 million poor people with no morals want sex?  What are the statistical chances that nobody gets raped in that situation?  Could you argue 0?

 

The chemicals not being as potent do not make them less addictive.  Would you agree that a drug addiction is a psychological problem?  Is a chemical dependency a psychological problem?

The comment about not getting shot because you've behaved in a socially conservative manner is to highlight the merits of being socially conservative in opposition to not.  It seems that people getting rekt by police lately haven't been behaving in a very socially conservative manner.  This doesn't mean republican, conservative politically, etc.... this means SOCIALLY conservative.

 

Social distancing is the most socially conservative thing that has been forced upon this nation in a very long time and everyone just seems to be sliding it down the throat hole like a big slimy cock.  Where is the resistance to this forced social conservatism when the CDC reported numbers were that just 6% of the 210k reported "deaths with covid" were "deaths FROM covid".  That means that, if the numbers in 2019 were true about the standard flu.... 80k people died from flu. 

 

What is 6% of 210k?  How does that number compare to 80k killed by a common cold that we're all very aware of.  Remember it's death caused by, not died with.  This would be like saying people died from having herpes because they tested positive for it after death.  This (210k dead from covid) is the untruth being peddled to the average American that will listen to the news.

 

I don't think it's fair to label things as projection when you don't agree with them.  I think it's more dignifying to just say that you don't agree rather than assign malice (in saying someone is projecting).  If you want to look at psychology you will know that it's understood that people believe others to believe, behave, and think like themselves.  What this suggests is that everyone is always projecting, all the time.

The CDC reported that 6% of covid deaths were solely covid deaths. The danger of covid is it’s ability to amplify underlying issues (autoimmune diseases, etc) to the point of death. All those people weren’t “dying anyways”. They had conditions that they battled and regulated. Roughly 150 million Americans have underlying health conditions that put them at direct risk. 
 

Qanon twisted that statistic to fit their inaccurate narrative of lunacy. 
 

I do feel like there’s a better grasp on treatment now that the world has dealt with it for nearly a year at this point, but there is still a real risk for many Americans.  
 

Also: I’ve been to japan a few times, and from what I’ve seen, there’s no shortage of relations. You can’t look in any direction without seeing a couple. They are also much more persistent on using protection than Americans. Which may explain the drop in birth rate.

[glorydays]

56 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

 

I'm talking about what you said, in reference to sex work being common/legal preventing rapes because anyone that wants to rape someone would easily just be able to go pay for sex, legally.  What happens when a poor person with no morals wants sex in your scenario?  Ok, what happens when 1 million poor people with no morals want sex?  What are the statistical chances that nobody gets raped in that situation?  Could you argue 0?

 

The chemicals not being as potent do not make them less addictive.  Would you agree that a drug addiction is a psychological problem?  Is a chemical dependency a psychological problem?

The comment about not getting shot because you've behaved in a socially conservative manner is to highlight the merits of being socially conservative in opposition to not.  It seems that people getting rekt by police lately haven't been behaving in a very socially conservative manner.  This doesn't mean republican, conservative politically, etc.... this means SOCIALLY conservative.

 

Social distancing is the most socially conservative thing that has been forced upon this nation in a very long time and everyone just seems to be sliding it down the throat hole like a big slimy cock.  Where is the resistance to this forced social conservatism when the CDC reported numbers were that just 6% of the 210k reported "deaths with covid" were "deaths FROM covid".  That means that, if the numbers in 2019 were true about the standard flu.... 80k people died from flu. 

 

What is 6% of 210k?  How does that number compare to 80k killed by a common cold that we're all very aware of.  Remember it's death caused by, not died with.  This would be like saying people died from having herpes because they tested positive for it after death.  This (210k dead from covid) is the untruth being peddled to the average American that will listen to the news.

 

I don't think it's fair to label things as projection when you don't agree with them.  I think it's more dignifying to just say that you don't agree rather than assign malice (in saying someone is projecting).  If you want to look at psychology you will know that it's understood that people believe others to believe, behave, and think like themselves.  What this suggests is that everyone is always projecting, all the time.

 

DISCLAIMMEMEMEMREREREER

 

I didn't say that sex work prevented or solved the issue of rape.

I said, "I didn't say it stops rape in my answer...i implied that sex work provides an outlet that non sex workers cant provide willingly"

Your questions on your first paragraph is hypotheticals that noone can answer. Not even yourself. 

I will not answer or argue those questions.

What I will say is that the sex workers I do know, always verify the customers that want to see them.

If they even have a phone and references from other sex workers. Yes, that is a true statement. I'll even give you some numbers you can call and ask.

 

Is the dopamine in your brain addictive? There are cases of people wanting to feel that rush all the time, especially the thrill seeking person. But to make a medical assumption that dopamine, in and of itself, is the sole reason why women are stuck doing sex work is a bit of a stretch.

 

What if women do sex work and stick with it because the money is good?

 

@Dark_Knightanswered the social distancing thing and the Japan question.

 

If someone makes a "logical" assumption about an entire country's female population, I will say that that assumption comes from a seat of insecurity.

That kind of assumption on an entire part of a population is called "prejudice"

NOT in the stigmatic or racist connotation, but in the fact that Casek would rather "reason" away a whole part of the country without asking any sex workers

 

Did Casek actually interview any sex workers? If he didn't, then his findings are based on an assumption.

edit: And if he did, what size sample is he using? How many were asked?

 

He cannot say he approached this from a logical standpoint and not even engage a sex worker.

Edited October 28, 2020 by glorydays

[glorydays]

@Dirty_habiTI wasn't saying you were projecting or insecure.

 

Since you were arguing on behalf of Casek, I was saying Casek was projecting and insecure in his assumptions.

[Dirty_habiT]

14 minutes ago, glorydays said:

1. I said, "I didn't say it stops rape in my answer...i implied that sex work provides an outlet that non sex workers cant provide willingly"

 

2. Your questions on your first paragraph is hypotheticals that noone can answer. Not even yourself. 

I will not answer or argue those questions.

 

3. Is the dopamine in your brain addictive? There are cases of people wanting to feel that rush all the time, especially the thrill seeking person. But to make a medical assumption that dopamine, in and of itself, is the sole reason why women are stuck doing sex work is a bit of a stretch.

 

4. What if women do sex work and stick with it because the money is good?

 

1. You wouldn't ask a plumber to wire your electrical, why would you expect a non sex worker to willingly provide you sex if you're willing to pay for it?  It's not that they cannot, it's that they won't.  Most people think highly of themselves wouldn't do low self esteem activities like letting a bunch of dudes jizz on and in you for money.  There will be absolutely no angle you can take to make me think that sex work is not demeaning and a waste of society's time.  Rome spent a lot of time on this and they got crushed because they were all standing around with cocks in their hands and stars in their eyes.

 

2. Answer it from the standpoint of what you think would happen.  What would a computer simulation figure out about that scenario?  Would the statistics zero out at no rapes?  I HIGHLY doubt it to the point of being willing to put money on it.  Of course there's no way that we could prove it because there's no scientific way to conduct such an "experiment".  This is more of a thought exercise, participate if you like or don't if you don't, either way is fine I suppose.

 

3. So then ask yourself.  The most common reason for doing prostitution is "because I like the job".  Let's break down possible reasons why you like a job:

 

* money

* work environment

* coworkers

* boss

* work life balance

* because you can get high at work all day

 

Sex work falls into two of those categories only I think.  Because you can get high (on dopamine, big hits or little hits, whatever you like) all day and you make money.  I think that is text book definition of addiction.  No prostitute says I just love it when they make my asshole bloody by being too rough.  Or, I just love it when they kick me out of their car without paying.

 

No, she says, that really sucked but I sure do like this $100 I just made for 5 minutes of "work".  Better, take out that %30 for my income taxes that I'm paying out of this money.  I'm ok w/ being responsible to my society by providing my "service".

 

I am not surprised that i'm the minority who thinks the way I do on this forum.  Most of the people here are into doing illegal stuff so I'm really going against the grain by sharing what I think about any of this stuff, and I am fully aware of that.  I was raised as a Christian to love my country.  I will raise my children the same way some day.  We won't dwell upon failures and mistakes of the past, we just will move forward and up and focus only on what we consider to be successful.  That will never be boning as many women as I can for me.

 

We all have different goals in life.  Some people have ambition, some people behave with dignity, some people think 8 steps ahead all the time.  I don't think a prostitute truly does any of these things.... or a john for that matter.

 

As a prostitute, if you have ambition to be successful in your "trade"... you would try to build an empire.

 

As a john, if you had ambition to be successful in courting a woman, you would try to date a woman and spend the time to figure out what women like, rather than paying to blast some mental pigdog in the back seat of your Bonneville.  I don't hate prostitutes, I just think it's really unintelligent.  You could argue that they're enterprising but I won't buy it.  Just like I won't buy that  coke dealer is enterprising.

 

I'm glad that this one subject of social conservatism has provided so much discussion so far.  There are many more to explore that I feel will be just as enriching.

[Dirty_habiT]

@glorydays- how many of your sex worker friends are 100% clean from drugs including cigarettes, alcohol, and marijuana.  How many of them would you consider to be conservative with how they socialize in society?

[Dark_Knight]

Jesus was tight with a hooker

[glorydays]

6 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

 

1. You wouldn't ask a plumber to wire your electrical, why would you expect a non sex worker to willingly provide you sex if you're willing to pay for it?  It's not that they cannot, it's that they won't.  Most people think highly of themselves wouldn't do low self esteem activities like letting a bunch of dudes jizz on and in you for money.  There will be absolutely no angle you can take to make me think that sex work is not demeaning and a waste of society's time.  Rome spent a lot of time on this and they got crushed because they were all standing around with cocks in their hands and stars in their eyes.

 

2. Answer it from the standpoint of what you think would happen.  What would a computer simulation figure out about that scenario?  Would the statistics zero out at no rapes?  I HIGHLY doubt it to the point of being willing to put money on it.  Of course there's no way that we could prove it because there's no scientific way to conduct such an "experiment".  This is more of a thought exercise, participate if you like or don't if you don't, either way is fine I suppose.

 

3. So then ask yourself.  The most common reason for doing prostitution is "because I like the job".  Let's break down possible reasons why you like a job:

 

* money

* work environment

* coworkers

* boss

* work life balance

* because you can get high at work all day

 

Sex work falls into two of those categories only I think.  Because you can get high (on dopamine, big hits or little hits, whatever you like) all day and you make money.  I think that is text book definition of addiction.  No prostitute says I just love it when they make my asshole bloody by being too rough.  Or, I just love it when they kick me out of their car without paying.

 

No, she says, that really sucked but I sure do like this $100 I just made for 5 minutes of "work".  Better, take out that %30 for my income taxes that I'm paying out of this money.  I'm ok w/ being responsible to my society by providing my "service".

 

I am not surprised that i'm the minority who thinks the way I do on this forum.  Most of the people here are into doing illegal stuff so I'm really going against the grain by sharing what I think about any of this stuff, and I am fully aware of that.  I was raised as a Christian to love my country.  I will raise my children the same way some day.  We won't dwell upon failures and mistakes of the past, we just will move forward and up and focus only on what we consider to be successful.  That will never be boning as many women as I can for me.

 

We all have different goals in life.  Some people have ambition, some people behave with dignity, some people think 8 steps ahead all the time.  I don't think a prostitute truly does any of these things.... or a john for that matter.

 

As a prostitute, if you have ambition to be successful in your "trade"... you would try to build an empire.

 

As a john, if you had ambition to be successful in courting a woman, you would try to date a woman and spend the time to figure out what women like, rather than paying to blast some mental pigdog in the back seat of your Bonneville.  I don't hate prostitutes, I just think it's really unintelligent.  You could argue that they're enterprising but I won't buy it.  Just like I won't buy that  coke dealer is enterprising.

 

I'm glad that this one subject of social conservatism has provided so much discussion so far.  There are many more to explore that I feel will be just as enriching.

 

I'm still baffled by your use of opinion as argument.

 

That is debate rule "statement as fact" being broken.

I personally don't know your moral standard and whether your standard is fluid depending on the situation.

 

And again, how would any of us MEN know what a sex worker is thinking without engaging them.

I believe we should take the time to talk to one. ESPECIALLY one on onlyfans.

 

And you assume again that all sex work is done on a track or back alley.

Your usage of Onlyfans as an example kind of tears that assumption down.

Cam girls on chat sites also.

 

Again, making assumptions about an entire group without getting to know them is "prejudice"

 

Casek doesn't make any effort to ask or even talk to any sex workers.

[glorydays]

9 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

@glorydays- how many of your sex worker friends are 100% clean from drugs including cigarettes, alcohol, and marijuana.  How many of them would you consider to be conservative with how they socialize in society?

 

There are testing stations all over the united states that are built for the sole purpose of STD testing.

And you dont have to be a sex worker to use them also.

They provide a cheap service to make sure that there is testing and treatment for sex workers.

There is no excuse for a sex worker to not want to get tested.

 

And conservatism is not the only philosophy within America.

 

I myself am a Marxist and an Atheist.

I like talking to fringe people.

they're interesting and provide a wealth of knowledge that middle road America can't give me.

 

Sex workers are still people who deserve respect and they have the right to choose their happiness.

[glorydays]

And this was a good exercise on verifying where we all stand on the political spectrum.

 

damn, son....that was a bit of a climb

[Dirty_habiT]

24 minutes ago, glorydays said:

 

There are testing stations all over the united states that are built for the sole purpose of STD testing.

And you dont have to be a sex worker to use them also.

They provide a cheap service to make sure that there is testing and treatment for sex workers.

There is no excuse for a sex worker to not want to get tested.

 

And conservatism is not the only philosophy within America.

 

I myself am a Marxist and an Atheist.

I like talking to fringe people.

they're interesting and provide a wealth of knowledge that middle road America can't give me.

 

Sex workers are still people who deserve respect and they have the right to choose their happiness.

 

I don't think you read my question (in reference to the response around STD testing).  I was alluding to the idea that I doubt there are many socially conservative sex workers.... and that many that are doing the type of work in sex trade are also going to exhibit the characteristics of someone who is an addict/has substance abuse problems.

 

The question you responded to was about how many of the sex workers you know are 100% clean from substance abuse issues..... not STDs.

At what point in a discussion is ok for opinion to enter?  Since we're not in court, this is far from a formal debate so I would expect that we are not tightly adhering to any framework outside of "just discussing things on the internet."

 

I'm 100% ok with you being a marxist and an atheist or anything else really.  I just don't want it to contribute to the downfall of our society.  I'm not suggesting that sex workers and patrons are bad people, I'm suggesting that they are engaging in less than socially conservative activities.

[glorydays]

1 hour ago, Dirty_habiT said:

 

I don't think you read my question (in reference to the response around STD testing).  I was alluding to the idea that I doubt there are many socially conservative sex workers.... and that many that are doing the type of work in sex trade are also going to exhibit the characteristics of someone who is an addict/has substance abuse problems.

 

The question you responded to was about how many of the sex workers you know are 100% clean from substance abuse issues..... not STDs.

At what point in a discussion is ok for opinion to enter?  Since we're not in court, this is far from a formal debate so I would expect that we are not tightly adhering to any framework outside of "just discussing things on the internet."

 

I'm 100% ok with you being a marxist and an atheist or anything else really.  I just don't want it to contribute to the downfall of our society.  I'm not suggesting that sex workers and patrons are bad people, I'm suggesting that they are engaging in less than socially conservative activities.

 

If you are trying to prove a point within the confines of your own rules, then opinion is not allowed.

You said to use logic and reason.

 

There is no such thing as a socially conservative sex workers

That's an oxymoron.

 

I dont get this push for putting a moral compass on making money.

 

Corporations make money without empathy but you dont place any moral standard for them.

In fact, you defend corporations making money without compassion to their workers or their customers.

 

You defend capitalism until women enter the market as contributing factors.

[Dirty_habiT]

20 minutes ago, glorydays said:

 

Corporations make money without empathy but you dont place any moral standard for them.

 

You defend capitalism until women enter the market as contributing factors.

 

This is simply not true.  Corporations do not make money without empathy.  Maybe **some corporations operate in this manner, but not all.

 

Every business should have moral standards, I'm unsure of why you thought I was suggesting otherwise.  I think everyone should have morals in general, ones that align with the greater good and forward movement of our society.

 

If you want to get rocked by the rude awakening, I guess just keep on beating off to only fans?

 

People are leaving the liberal cities in droves.  Austin, TX is a perfect example.  Nearly everyone that I've talked to is now VERY interested in leaving this place this isn't the place they grew to love.

 

California, the liberal capital of the world is draining like crazy.  People are getting out of there so fast, and it's going to blow up their local economy.  Not much will get done when you've douched out the middle class with socially liberal policies.

 

The argument I've been trying to make, and you continue to miss or ignore, is that prostitution is NOT a contributing factor to capitalism.  If you need proof, just switch every vagina comment with a dick comment to make yourself happy about this not being "against women".  None of this is an attack on women as much as it's an effort to point out that this trade does nothing productive for our society.

 

You also brought up before, that you don't care how many times these women get abortions.  Where does planned parenthood get it's money from?  Is it from sex workers that are working in cash businesses and not paying taxes into the system that funds the planned parenthood abortion clinics?

 

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about people thinking 2 steps ahead and thinking they're super smart.  Think like fucking 20 steps ahead and I'll then I'll be like, wow that guy is pretty smart.

 

We can't have a discussion if you keep trying to frame me within these rules you're setting up about discussion.  Again, we're not in court, i'm not having a formal debate.... i'm just spitballing here. 

[glorydays]

I'm not framing any rules here because you started the discussion.

 

The problems I have with your answer is that there are alot of assumptions made about sex workers and their customers.

 

Sex workers contribute nothing.

 

Customers are cucks.

 

Those are your arguments.

 

These arguments are stilted on a video that has almost no research and no interviews with both sex workers and their customers.

 

You conflate MORALS with ETHICS.

 

If you truly believe in a free market capitalist system, then THERE ARE NO MORALS within the market.

 

Are there ethics, yes. But you insist on claiming that morals dictate choice and morals dictate the market.

 

If that's the case, then we dont have a free market system. We have a theocracy regulated economy. @Mercerwould agree with me.

 

I'm not attacking you.

I just find that you bolster your arguments with opinion and appeals to emotion.

 

[glorydays]

We can even go into Humes' thoughts on IS and OUGHT arguments on your opinions on morals.