Let's talk about Social Conservatism.

[Dirty_habiT]

What are your thoughts on the subject?  I just heard the term coined in this video and instantly thought to myself, "I wonder what 12oz thinks about this subject."

 

 

[lord_casek]

A whole bunch of you know how Japan turned out. Lots of lonely males and females. Let's not make the same mistake.  
 

[Dirty_habiT]

@lord_casek- for the same reasons mentioned in the video I linked?

 

also lol @ 42 views and 2 replies.  How about I can ask this another way to hopefully promote more engagement. 

If you do not consider yourself to be socially conservative, in your opinion, what are some of the more enriching aspects of interacting with society in a non-socially conservative way?

[mr.yuck]

Lol @Dirty_habiT I hit play yesterday and was like "17 mins? I dont have time for this." And then never got back to it. Im gonna watch it in a few mins cuz this topic does interest me.

[abrasivesaint]

I made it about a minute. I’m not spending 17 minutes of my life listening to a video by some asshole who calls himself Mr. Obvious in what is coming off as a video that’s going to be about why some dudes cant get laid because of societal changes, and not because they’re douchebags. 
 

Feel free to enlighten me, or bring up what aspects of Social Conservatism interest you, or what it means to you. 

[misteraven]

15 minutes ago, abrasivesaint said:

I made it about a minute. I’m not spending 17 minutes of my life listening to a video by some asshole who calls himself Mr. Obvious in what is coming off as a video that’s going to be about why some dudes cant get laid because of societal changes, and not because they’re douchebags. 
 

Feel free to enlighten me, or bring up what aspects of Social Conservatism interest you, or what it means to you. 

 

The guy that does that series is usually pretty logical about his arguments. He's generally not very supportive of liberal policy, but he's also occasionally critical of conservative policy as well. Either way, if you take the time to watch that guys videos, its hard to dispute the logic in his claims if you can put your own biases aside and just think through what he's saying. (not you specifically but everyone.)

[Dark_Knight]

When you’re jacked and tan, you will get laid no matter how you act.

 

Problem solved.

 

/thread

[KILZ FILLZ]

I had to look it up

 

Social conservatism excerpt from wiki:

 

Social conservatives in the United States are concerned with many social issues such as opposition to abortion, lobbying against gambling, advocacy against drug usage, opposition to pornography, opposition to same-sex marriage, support for school prayer, support for school vouchers, the promotion of abstinence-only sex education and the support for Sunday blue laws among others. They oppose many of the cultural changes brought on by the culture wars and the sexual revolution. As many of them are religious, more specifically Christian, social conservatives push for a focus on Christian traditions as a guiding force for the country on social issues

 

 

 

is this accurate?
 

 

[abrasivesaint]

Ok, i bit the bullet and watched the video because of Raven, and i’m doubling down. Here’s why:  
 

Incels: Life isn’t fair. It’s not fair for the Middle Easterners we continous bomb the fuck out of, and it’s not fair for some men and women.. Listen, i get it. Wanting a woman and not being able to find one sucks, i was there for years. Can’t get laid? Maybe Jesus doesn’t want you to have sex.. or maybe just lose the engrained Religious shame and stigma go fuck an escort, you’ll be ok. Go on Tinder, there are A LOT of women looking for a relationship and don’t want “just a hookup.” They may be chubbier than you want, but hey, doesn’t he bitch about women punching above their weight class? 

 

Onlyfans woman: Is a Capitalist. She has a product that men want, she sells that product and spends that money. The economy goes round and round. 
 

Husband: is supportive. If my girl was making hundreds of thousands selling photos and videos that she can just throw around at jewelry, then fucking good on her. Is this woman sleeping with anyone else, or is she loyal to her husband? Because he hasn’t murdered her like that other dude he mentions. 

Less births/people: Not a problem. We have an unemployment issue currently because of the virus, a lot of homeless people in our city streets, our country is largely fat and generally unhealthy.. We cant even take care of the people we do have. 

Families breaking down: Is because the cost of having a family is damn near unobtainable in our society these days. We get paid shit, out rent is through the roof, we’re dumb and get sold things like new iphones every year through genius advertising, gas is up, cars are expensive, people live beyond their means.. blame the economy and consumerism, i guess. 
 

Husband kills wife because she cheated: clearly the dude wasn’t satisfying all her needs, maybe he wasn’t dicking her down, i dont know. This kid gives the man the benefit of the doubt right off the bat. Maybe he was verbally abusive, not taking care of things at home, not slinging the dick, and his wife went elsewhere. 
 

What that video said to me was the the Socially Conservative way of thinking is dying out, and Conservatives are blaming everybody except themselves because of their bullshit ideals and trying to force them on everyone else.
 

Of course leaning hard the other way and “erasing men” isn’t the answer, but i don’t think that group of people is as large as he makes it out to be towards the end. Every “feminist” i know isn’t that fucking crazy. Those are people like this guy, unhappy with their lives and blaming it on men, just like he sounds unhappy with his dating life and is blaming it on women.

 

Sounds like he needs to move to Arizona or Alabama. 

[Dark_Knight]

5 minutes ago, abrasivesaint said:

What that video said to me was the the Socially Conservative way of thinking is dying out, and Conservatives are blaming everybody except themselves because of their bullshit ideals and trying to force them on everyone else.
 

This. And also, if you can’t get laid, get jacked and tan. I cannot stress this enough.

Edited October 27, 2020 by Dark_Knight

[glorydays]

We can't keep arguing for capitalism

 

then shit on women for making money on onlyfans

 

that is ass backwards

[glorydays]

and conservatism is boring as fuck too

 

[glorydays]

5 hours ago, KILZ FILLZ said:

I had to look it up

 

Social conservatism excerpt from wiki:

 

Social conservatives in the United States are concerned with many social issues such as opposition to abortion, lobbying against gambling, advocacy against drug usage, opposition to pornography, opposition to same-sex marriage, support for school prayer, support for school vouchers, the promotion of abstinence-only sex education and the support for Sunday blue laws among others. They oppose many of the cultural changes brought on by the culture wars and the sexual revolution. As many of them are religious, more specifically Christian, social conservatives push for a focus on Christian traditions as a guiding force for the country on social issues

 

 

 

is this accurate?
 

 

 

 

NO DRUGS AND ABSTINENCE....ON TOP OF ALL THAT I GOTTA GO TO CHURCH

 

[misteraven]

47 minutes ago, glorydays said:

We can't keep arguing for capitalism

 

then shit on women for making money on onlyfans

 

that is ass backwards

I’ll need to rewatch but I’m not sure he’s necessarily being critical on that versus talking through the logic in why he feels an over arching theme of societal decline. Also, it’s always a slippery slope to talk in absolutes. I know only fans isn’t prostitution, but we can probably make pretty solid arguments both for and against prostitution. Likewise, even if we agree to a circumstance of it being a victimless crime with two willing participants, it doesn’t mean it’s an ideal situation either. Further, nobody claimed capitalism is without flaws. It’s just when comparing it’s pros and cons to other systems, it’s the best we’ve come up with. 

[misteraven]

But beyond all that, I’m wondering why people are so quick to classify themselves or others. Again, similar to talking in absolutes. Why put yourself under an umbrella classification like that rather than pick and chose topic by topic with perhaps a set of ethics that have a logical consistency. Seems like a lot of work and extra stress to box yourself in like that. 

[glorydays]

22 minutes ago, misteraven said:

I’ll need to rewatch but I’m not sure he’s necessarily being critical on that versus talking through the logic in why he feels an over arching theme of societal decline. Also, it’s always a slippery slope to talk in absolutes. I know only fans isn’t prostitution, but we can probably make pretty solid arguments both for and against prostitution. Likewise, even if we agree to a circumstance of it being a victimless crime with two willing participants, it doesn’t mean it’s an ideal situation either. Further, nobody claimed capitalism is without flaws. It’s just when comparing it’s pros and cons to other systems, it’s the best we’ve come up with. 

 

I agree with you. 

 

But with capitalism creating classes, i.e. upper, middle, lower...making money "by any means necessary" is the attitude for those who have no other avenue within the system. I will agree that that is 1 of many flaws of capitalism

 

And societal decline? i believe that's very much opinion. Criminalizing something is always alwayssss reactionary. It's usually after something "bad" happens.

Take prohibition in the 20's...the criminalization of alcohol was a Christian reaction to the Great Depression.

People still got drunk.

 

If we allow women the freedom to do what they want, when they want, and where they want with who they want, there will be no issues at all.

 

I see no problems with a woman making money through sex and aborting a fetus that they do not want.

 

It's not my body.

[glorydays]

i personally want to raw dog as many bitches as possible

[mr.yuck]

Holy shit. I dont like this guys hot take at all. It feels like he has an axe to grind against womens liberation. Sex has always sold and women have just found a more efficient way to dish it out. More power to them. But is this guy really serious thinking these only fans girls arent out dating anyone because their financial goals are being satisfied by simps and incels. (Edit) or is the real argument that these girls arent dating specific guys who's only attribute is what they bring to the table financially. Thats weird as hell and I never heard this argument presented for cam girls or strippers.

Edited October 28, 2020 by mr.yuck

[Dirty_habiT]

4 hours ago, glorydays said:

We can't keep arguing for capitalism

 

then shit on women for making money on onlyfans

 

that is ass backwards

Well, I'm not shitting on them, but I am pointing out the fact that, unless you've been blessed in some certain way others haven't, each woman is allotted a single vagina.  I hope you see where I'm going with this.

 

Their idea of "running a business in a capitalist society" simply will not scale.  Also, your "product" doesn't improve with time and experience, it .... in fact gets worse as you age quickly telling yourself you've got mad skills in the sack.  Even so, the price can only be jacked up so high.

 

So yes, I guess it's ok if you want to sell the vagina you have, but I wouldn't call it "earning money."  The only people that consider something like that "profession" to be "earning money" are human traffickers.  And.... you can never turn selling your one vagina into an enterprise.  If you want to argue prostitution + capitalism, at least argue for a pimp that can scale their business, or the human traffickers that can scale their business. (of course I'm being very sarcastic in saying that, because it's all immoral/demeaning/indignant/unbecoming/etc)

 

I'm fine w/ people doing what they want, but don't act like you're an authority on anything important because of it.  Only a cuck male or a male with no feelings towards the sig other would tolerate a gf/wife that has an onlyfans acct.  I'd leave a chick so fast her head would spin for having an account on there..... and I wouldn't care how much money she was earning because I don't need it.

[Dirty_habiT]

3 hours ago, glorydays said:

I see no problems with a woman making money through sex and aborting a fetus that they do not want.

 

Who pays for that when she has spent all her money on drugs and doesn't have any health insurance?

 

What sober person that is of sound mind/body is willing to expose themselves to this type of underworld lifestyle?

 

How does this type of "work" contribute to society in any meaningful way?

 

If we intend to get past these problems (like being cucked up by China) we have to stop mentally masturbating with every free moment we've got.

 

THAT is what I think the video is really touching on.

 

Who cares about money if it was earned in an immoral way?  Certainly not me or anyone that is remotely like me, I doubt I'm the minority.

[Dirty_habiT]

Also, even if you had two vaginas, you couldn't scale your business that high.  If this was the profession/life you wished to pursue, like in any other capitalist society job, the goal is to not stay at the bottom feeder rung of the ladder forever.  The goal in prostitution shouldn't be to fuck more dudes, suck more dicks, or charge a higher price per dude fucked or dick sucked.... it should be scaling the business model and not using your own vagina or mouth to service the clients.  So, as a prostitute, if you're truly "enterprising", you should be trying to become a pimp ASAP, or a strip club owner, or a human trafficker.

 

Any of those things will be more like what a capitalist society business truly looks like.  Prostitution isn't a business for the prostitute, it's just a contract job that they ain't payin any taxes on, while I'm forced to pay taxes for my profession.  (they ain't smart for not having to pay taxes on that either if you compare the downsides of making such decisions..... on many facets.)

 

To each their own though, what you eat doesn't make me shit.

[glorydays]

1 minute ago, Dirty_habiT said:

Well, I'm not shitting on them, but I am pointing out the fact that, unless you've been blessed in some certain way others haven't, each woman is allotted a single vagina.  I hope you see where I'm going with this.

 

Their idea of "running a business in a capitalist society" simply will not scale.  Also, your "product" doesn't improve with time and experience, it .... in fact gets worse as you age quickly telling yourself you've got mad skills in the sack.  Even so, the price can only be jacked up so high.

 

So yes, I guess it's ok if you want to sell the vagina you have, but I wouldn't call it "earning money."  The only people that consider something like that "profession" to be "earning money" are human traffickers.  And.... you can never turn selling your one vagina into an enterprise.  If you want to argue prostitution + capitalism, at least argue for a pimp that can scale their business, or the human traffickers that can scale their business. (of course I'm being very sarcastic in saying that, because it's all immoral/demeaning/indignant/unbecoming/etc)

 

I'm fine w/ people doing what they want, but don't act like you're an authority on anything important because of it.  Only a cuck male or a male with no feelings towards the sig other would tolerate a gf/wife that has an onlyfans acct.  I'd leave a chick so fast her head would spin for having an account on there..... and I wouldn't care how much money she was earning because I don't need it.

 

oooof

 

there's alot to unpack here, broski

 

Raven knows i love to argue and pull up furiously

 

DISCLAIMER: I'M NOT ATTACKING YOU....FREE MARKET OF IDEAS AND BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

There's alot of presumptions here:

 

1) You claim that vaginas are not a "product" that doesn't improve with time and experience. This isn't very clear, but I'm assuming that vaginas "expand" with every dick that passes through it. 

You're not a doctor. And every medical book disproves your "loose pussy after sex" theory. If a baby can pass through a vagina and go back to normal size, i don't think any kind of human penis can do any damage.

 

2) "... idea of "running a business in a capitalist society" simply will not scale."

 

That makes no sense. The woman is not selling her vagina over onlyfans. 

Onlyfans is a website. So what she is selling is a "service"

A service is, in your words, "scaleable"...whatever that means

 

3) "... it's ok if you want to sell the vagina you have, but I wouldn't call it "earning money.""

 

You kinda contradicted yourself. Unless your explanation of "sex traffickers" and "pimps" is your answer to this contradiction.

 

WOMEN ARE HUMAN AND HAVE AGENCY, THUS, THEY HAVE CHOICE.

Your argument means that a woman "selling her vagina" isn't really her, its the man that owns her

 

4) "Only a cuck male or a male with no feelings towards the sig other would tolerate a gf/wife that has an onlyfans acct."

 

     Appeal to emotion. This is to make your audience angry. 

    This isn't an argument, therefore, there is no answer or rebuttal needed.

[Dirty_habiT]

3 hours ago, glorydays said:

i personally want to raw dog as many bitches as possible

 

I had a phase in my life like that..... and I delivered on my promises to myself.

 

It got old for me though, there's a lot more rewarding things to spend my time/effort on.  People need to learn what love means again I think.  I mean, cool if you want to raw dog as many hoes as possible.  Just plz don't come here crying when your penis is turning green/black and looking like it might fall off soon.  We, The People of 12oz, will not be able to assist with anything more than making some memes for you, in your honor.

[glorydays]

7 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

 

Who pays for that when she has spent all her money on drugs and doesn't have any health insurance?

 

What sober person that is of sound mind/body is willing to expose themselves to this type of underworld lifestyle?

 

How does this type of "work" contribute to society in any meaningful way?

 

If we intend to get past these problems (like being cucked up by China) we have to stop mentally masturbating with every free moment we've got.

 

THAT is what I think the video is really touching on.

 

Who cares about money if it was earned in an immoral way?  Certainly not me or anyone that is remotely like me, I doubt I'm the minority.

 

Broooo

 

You're talking as if the woman is owned by a man

 

"How does this type of "work" contribute to society in any meaningful way?"

Bro, do you know how many women get raped because the man feels the need to fuck someone?

[Dirty_habiT]

1 minute ago, glorydays said:

 

oooof

 

there's alot to unpack here, broski

 

Raven knows i love to argue and pull up furiously

 

DISCLAIMER: I'M NOT ATTACKING YOU....FREE MARKET OF IDEAS AND BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

There's alot of presumptions here:

 

1) You claim that vaginas are not a "product" that doesn't improve with time and experience. This isn't very clear, but I'm assuming that vaginas "expand" with every dick that passes through it. 

You're not a doctor. And every medical book disproves your "loose pussy after sex" theory. If a baby can pass through a vagina and go back to normal size, i don't think any kind of human penis can do any damage.

 

2) "... idea of "running a business in a capitalist society" simply will not scale."

 

That makes no sense. The woman is not selling her vagina over onlyfans. 

Onlyfans is a website. So what she is selling is a "service"

A service is, in your words, "scaleable"...whatever that means

 

3) "... it's ok if you want to sell the vagina you have, but I wouldn't call it "earning money.""

 

You kinda contradicted yourself. Unless your explanation of "sex traffickers" and "pimps" is your answer to this contradiction.

 

WOMEN ARE HUMAN AND HAVE AGENCY, THUS, THEY HAVE CHOICE.

Your argument means that a woman "selling her vagina" isn't really her, its the man that owns her

 

4) "Only a cuck male or a male with no feelings towards the sig other would tolerate a gf/wife that has an onlyfans acct."

 

     Appeal to emotion. This is to make your audience angry. 

    This isn't an argument, therefore, there is no answer or rebuttal needed.

 

1. Well, a vagina, immediately has less and less value to me, the more dudes i believe have diddled it before me.  I'm not suggesting it's lost value based on physical aspects alone.  I'm talking about it's lost value as in perceived value.  I pay less for a used car than I do for a new car.... in a capitalist society.  The perception of being used makes the product worth less money.  I don't care about vagina sizes.... although that can affect value.

2. Yes, but my point being, how many no name girls from po dunk where evers ville USA showing her vagina online is going to get 1M subscribers?  They're not.  They might get like 10.  Maybe if they're famous already then they will get fans.  So, while the service may be viewable by many, that is only a milestone in becoming an enterprise.  The next step is to manage 10 girls that are running only fans accounts that you're getting a cut of.  Only then will you be able to amass profits that will eclipse a single normal girl's income on onlyfans.

 

3. My argument is that the next step up from running a "food truck" is to get a fleet of food trucks, if you intend to be the #1 business selling food in the USA restaurant style one day.  The idea that a woman would have an enterprise by herself is like saying you'd have an enterprise by driving a single food truck around your city selling tacos.  Again, it's great to make a little money but in a capitalist society the most rewarding goal is to continue climbing as high as you can go.

 

4. The point I'm making there is that there is nothing dignifying for a male that puts himself in the presence of a female doing such activities.  You could argue the other way if you want, but the fact is the word dignifying has a very specific meaning.  I'm pointing out, in a crass way, that there is no side of this immoral behavior that is actually redeeming for our society in any meaningful way.

[Dirty_habiT]

9 minutes ago, glorydays said:

 

Broooo

 

You're talking as if the woman is owned by a man

 

"How does this type of "work" contribute to society in any meaningful way?"

Bro, do you know how many women get raped because the man feels the need to fuck someone?

I'm not suggesting that at all, I think you might be misunderstanding me.

 

I think you're making the statement based upon flawed logic that men rape women because a woman that he could pay for sex wasn't available.  Prostitution doesn't actually stop rape, there is no scientific study showing this that I've ever heard of.

[Dirty_habiT]

btw @glorydays- thank you for discussing your viewpoint on here.  I do appreciate it and we're all having good fun here discussing things with eachother.  I don't intend anything I've said as a personal attack on you so please let me know if you want me to change anything.  (I do think your shit will turn green if you rawdog too many tho)

[glorydays]

2 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

 

1. Well, a vagina, immediately has less and less value to me, the more dudes i believe have diddled it before me.  I'm not suggesting it's lost value based on physical aspects alone.  I'm talking about it's lost value as in perceived value.  I pay less for a used car than I do for a new car.... in a capitalist society.  The perception of being used makes the product worth less money.  I don't care about vagina sizes.... although that can affect value.

2. Yes, but my point being, how many no name girls from po dunk where evers ville USA showing her vagina online is going to get 1M subscribers?  They're not.  They might get like 10.  Maybe if they're famous already then they will get fans.  So, while the service may be viewable by many, that is only a milestone in becoming an enterprise.  The next step is to manage 10 girls that are running only fans accounts that you're getting a cut of.  Only then will you be able to amass profits that will eclipse a single normal girl's income on onlyfans.

 

3. My argument is that the next step up from running a "food truck" is to get a fleet of food trucks, if you intend to be the #1 business selling food in the USA restaurant style one day.  The idea that a woman would have an enterprise by herself is like saying you'd have an enterprise by driving a single food truck around your city selling tacos.  Again, it's great to make a little money but in a capitalist society the most rewarding goal is to continue climbing as high as you can go.

 

4. The point I'm making there is that there is nothing dignifying for a male that puts himself in the presence of a female doing such activities.  You could argue the other way if you want, but the fact is the word dignifying has a very specific meaning.  I'm pointing out, in a crass way, that there is no side of this immoral behavior that is actually redeeming for our society in any meaningful way.

 

DISCLAIMERRRR BLAH BLAH

 

1. That's an opinion. A male opinion. On a woman's genitalia.

 

2. Your argument against onlyfans is that "poor girls shouldn't be able to earn money on onlyfans?"

 

3. Your claim pertained to a pimp or sex trafficker that exploited a woman's ability to have sex and using that woman to earn money.

     Again, the point of sex work is to earn money that supplements any other income that a woman needs to live. 

     Does this woman need to make a brothel or bunny ranch to be seen as an active player within a capitalist system?

     If this woman doesn't make her onlyfans the facebook of all onlyfans pages, then she isn't successful?

     yeesh...then what's your baseline?

 

4. You assume for other people.....that sounds and looks like projection to me.

     Are you projecting onto others what you think happens to yourself?

[glorydays]

@Dirty_habiTI'm never angry in these things.

 

I see other dudes blow the fuck up...that shit gets me rolling

 

but yea, i believe in thorough questioning of someone's ideas....not exactly trying to prove you wrong, but again, to questionnnnn

 

Mercer and Raven know this all too well LMAO

[glorydays]

9 minutes ago, Dirty_habiT said:

I'm not suggesting that at all, I think you might be misunderstanding me.

 

I think you're making the statement based upon flawed logic that men rape women because a woman that he could pay for sex wasn't available.  Prostitution doesn't actually stop rape, there is no scientific study showing this that I've ever heard of.

 

I didn't say it stops rape in my answer...i implied that sex work provides an outlet that non sex workers cant provide willingly