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You can take Nazis out of Germany...

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But you cant take the Germans out of being Nazis

 

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,648086,00.html

 

 

Right wing extremist political party, the NPD, was re-elected in Saxony two weeks ago. Now a leading politician in Bavaria wants to seek a national ban on them. But his push is causing political conflict. Because while most German politicians want to stop the NPD, they can't decide how best to do so.

 

 

And you think the States has problems!! You think they would have learned the last time they killed five million people.

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This isn't anything new, they used to fuck with the Turkish hard, I guess the Polish bother them now.

When we lived there in the 80's my dad had to check under the car with one of those mirrors on a stick looking for zi bombs every morning.

Still don't think they will be a huge threat to anyone outside of Germany or gain much power in northern Germany.

You never know though, the past has shown the seeds of retardation run deep in some of their more inbred bloodlines.

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i remember when i was in german class in high school... one of the exchange students from germany told me that the nazi party was pretty much banned in germany. you couldnt even talk about it or possess nazi symbols, etc.

not sure how true this is...

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NPD is pretty close and have a lot of neo nazis as party members, they have signs that are racist and xenophobic, here is an example

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It says "Stop The Polish Invasion"

 

Also when Obama was elected the head of the NPD said it was a sign of the "jewish and negro" conspiracy.

 

While the Nazi party and their paraphernalia are illegal it doesnt stop neo nazism. Nazis just find new ways to show their affiliations with alternative symbolism. It also doesnt stop the nazi marches for the remembrance of the war.(there is a huge one every year in Dresden)

 

NPD is just another name for the National Socialist Party, just worded different to get around the German laws.

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WTF? I never edited my post, I just smoked a cig while I waffled and finally decided to delete my Laibach comments because it turned into a confused mess... Kind of like Laibach's poitical stance which seems radically left wing while simletaneously radically right wing.

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state communism was nothing more than a plot to take over the world and this ideology killed WAY more people.

its pretty silly to say that one group of mass murderers is worse than another. both are equally evil.

stalin had his camps before any nazi did. just sayin.

 

i think the commies get a free pass because of so much of the world still loves the ideology. many progressives in america during the reign of the communists from the time of the leninist revolution until world war 2 all praised the virtues of the commies and how great their planned society was. but for some reason because the nazi's were perceived to be on the 'right' they are the main ones that you hear about.

 

there is a good movie about all this genocide business... called innocents betrayed. pick it up. it might be available free on the net somewhere.

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i'd disagree with the unions giving us leisure time, but that is another topic.

 

yes, watch that movie.

 

and you are right... the gov. is always the root of the problem

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This shit is crazy

Sounds like the BNP in Britain

 

No form of extremeism is good, but fascist ideologies are the fucking worst

Why the fuck would you wanna be in support of an almighty goverment?

Fucking retards, if you wanna be racist just wear a bed sheet and burn shit

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i'd disagree with the unions giving us leisure time, but that is another topic.

 

yes, watch that movie.

 

and you are right... the gov. is always the root of the problem

 

 

Ok I watched enough of that film to see that it starts off as not entirely factual, and as it progresses it quickly becomes virtually farcical.

 

The premise of the film is to prove gun control generally precedes government sanctioned massacres, and that if any of the victims where in possession of guns they could have defended themselves. In many of the examples given, it was a stretch to show that possession of guns would have made the slightest difference.

 

In many of examples where governments have persecuted minorities through the use of military force, the lack of, or confiscation of guns may have helped to facilitate a massacre, but it can not be proven that the presence of guns would have prevented it.

 

To use the example of Jews in Germany. I would suggest that even in possession of guns, a minority civilian force would not have prevented the well armed and organised German army from completing their massacre. Moreover any armed resistance may have even been seized as a political opportunity to further demonise Jewish people and expediate the massacre with greater public support.

 

The Tutsis in Rwanda were even less likely to prevent their massacre through possession of guns. Not only were they again in minority and unorganised, but they were set against the full force of the state as well as a majority civilian force.

 

The films later examples of Native American Indians has very little to do with gun control but far more to do with the weaponry available to an invading and defending force.

 

This film ignores obvious facts about historical situations in order for them to fit its flimsy premise. It neglects to address the fact that at the root of these tragedys was a political motivation or ideology, often with a degree of public support, which is far more powerful than a small cache of civilian weaponry could defend against. Further more, for the sake of a balanced argument, the film does not show any of the many examples of where a lack of gun control has lead to tragedy.

 

Personally I don't know where I stand on gun control. I am open to a good argument about the benefits of an armed population. I like the idea that citizens could potentially defend themselves against a tyrannical government, although how effective any resistance would be is highly debateable. Also by indiscriminately arming a population then you are equally creating the potential for smaller tyrannical groups rather than one very large group. I fail to see how this would be a more desirable situation.

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Why is the premise wrong or "flimsy?"

 

whether an armed citizenry can stop a tyrrannical power isn't really the issue even though history has proven many people can hold their own. Any look at American history or a quick glance at guerrilla conflicts show this. Hell a handful of poorly armed Arabs have a few hundred thousand US boots at a standstill.

 

But the main point is would you rather disarm everyone and give them no chance at all with self defense or librty or would you allow citizens to retain their natural liberty and right to self defense and allow them to have a fighting chance against a genocidal government??

To me the answer is clear... Give me liberty or give me death

 

it's no coincidence states with large parts of the population carrying guns having far less crime then gun control paradises like wash dc

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I don't intend to launch into an argument for or against gun control. Like I said in my previous post, I am still yet to form a definite opinion.

 

I wanted to express my concern for the films disinterest in any other contributing factor other than gun control in these historical events. Also, I wanted to point out that some of the evidence it puts forward to support its claims are almost entirely unrelated to the issue of gun control.

 

To clarify, the films premise is flimsy because it simplistically suggests none of the massacres would have occurred if the persecuted party was armed and could have defended themselves. This is just not the case.

 

 

 

Edit:

I just watched a bit more of the film to make sure I wasn't jumping the gun (pun intended) and criticising too quickly before the film gets its chance to put its full message across.

But no, it continues to get more ridiculous by the minute. After the main part of the film is over, there are a series of interviews with the film makers, one of which states;

"...[T]here was something very wrong with the picture... you always saw stacks of body's in the death camps, but none of those body's where holding a gun, next to the body's you might see a Nazi soldier holding a gun... So it became obvious to me... that a lack of being able to defends ones life had a ..lot to do with making it possible for governments to kill you."

I'm not even going to begin to point out the idiocy of this guys statement. However, I will say that it would be wise to approach with extreme caution a film made by anyone who puts forward such an obvious illogical argument.

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it's no coincidence states with large parts of the population carrying guns having far less crime then gun control paradises like wash dc

 

Yeah, Lord knows there's no crime in Florida.

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But you cant take the Germans out of being Nazis

Fick dich weg, du Homofürst.

 

 

MURRICANS, LISTEN TO THIS WISE MAN. HE IS RIGHT! WE ARE ALL NAZIS. IT IS HARDCODED IN OUR DNA! PIC RELATED, MY PC

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ALSO, HITLER ISN'T DEAD. HE LURKS IN NEUSCHWABENLAND AND HAS DEVELOPED A NEW STRATEGY TO CONQUER THE FREE WORLD. WHEN HE GIVES THE ORDER WE WILL OVERTAKE EURASIA, AFRICA, AUSTRALIA AND SOUTH AMERICA IN ONE STRIKE USING OUR NEW SUPERWEAPONS. NORTH AMERICA WILL GET ERASED, BECAUSE ITS FULL OF UNTERMENSCHEN AND HAS LITTLE NATURAL RESOURCES.

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Ok I watched enough of that film to see that it starts off as not entirely factual, and as it progresses it quickly becomes virtually farcical.

 

The premise of the film is to prove gun control generally precedes government sanctioned massacres, and that if any of the victims where in possession of guns they could have defended themselves. In many of the examples given, it was a stretch to show that possession of guns would have made the slightest difference.

 

In many of examples where governments have persecuted minorities through the use of military force, the lack of, or confiscation of guns may have helped to facilitate a massacre, but it can not be proven that the presence of guns would have prevented it.

 

To use the example of Jews in Germany. I would suggest that even in possession of guns, a minority civilian force would not have prevented the well armed and organised German army from completing their massacre. Moreover any armed resistance may have even been seized as a political opportunity to further demonise Jewish people and expediate the massacre with greater public support.

 

The Tutsis in Rwanda were even less likely to prevent their massacre through possession of guns. Not only were they again in minority and unorganised, but they were set against the full force of the state as well as a majority civilian force.

 

The films later examples of Native American Indians has very little to do with gun control but far more to do with the weaponry available to an invading and defending force.

 

This film ignores obvious facts about historical situations in order for them to fit its flimsy premise. It neglects to address the fact that at the root of these tragedys was a political motivation or ideology, often with a degree of public support, which is far more powerful than a small cache of civilian weaponry could defend against. Further more, for the sake of a balanced argument, the film does not show any of the many examples of where a lack of gun control has lead to tragedy.

 

Personally I don't know where I stand on gun control. I am open to a good argument about the benefits of an armed population. I like the idea that citizens could potentially defend themselves against a tyrannical government, although how effective any resistance would be is highly debateable. Also by indiscriminately arming a population then you are equally creating the potential for smaller tyrannical groups rather than one very large group. I fail to see how this would be a more desirable situation.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to FrakieFiver again.

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The creater of this thread obviously has no knowledge of German society and just read that article and insta-posted it here trying to make a statement.

Ive been in Germany for quite a while now, the Antifa (antifascist) movement all over Europe, and especially in Germany is fucking huge, the fascist movement is a vocal minority. A great example of this is the Neo Nazi rally held in Hamburg a few days ago; there were about 100 neonazis marching and about 600 Antifa protesters there.

 

Far Right parties often win relatively small scale elections all over the world, if you are going to make a post about it maybe you should look into places like Holland, or Serbia, or any other place where far right parties have actual tangible social and political power and influence.

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Also it is misleading to say they wewre 're elected' in Saxony. They dropped 4% of the vote from 9% in 2004 to 5% in the recent election. They have an inconsequential representation in the state legislature. On top of this their national polling is a little over 1%. They are a fringe group that is ridiculed and ostracized by 99% of the german population. America or whatever country the poster of this thread is from probably has a far higher proportion of Fascists in their own country compared to Germany.

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The creater of this thread obviously has no knowledge of German society and just read that article and insta-posted it here trying to make a statement.

 

i think he lives there

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Also it is misleading to say they wewre 're elected' in Saxony. They dropped 4% of the vote from 9% in 2004 to 5% in the recent election. They have an inconsequential representation in the state legislature. On top of this their national polling is a little over 1%. They are a fringe group that is ridiculed and ostracized by 99% of the german population. America or whatever country the poster of this thread is from probably has a far higher proportion of Fascists in their own country compared to Germany.

thanks. thats basically it. these 4% minus actually equate to a 50% drop in total votes for them. also, voter participation was with 50% on a record low which is believed to have helped the smaller parties.

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Well the left never killed 10 million jews obviously. As bad as Stalinism and Maoism and its ilk is its still not as bad as Nazism which was actually an evil plot to take over the world in the classic sense.

 

I feel you on that but have you peeped anything on Pol Pot or Khmer Rouge, shit was brutal nigga, Khmer Rouge might not have got the ill number on Jews, Homos, and even Gypsys, and Made a World War in the process, but if you hear the stories of the people, see all the bones, children and shit all piled up... It was really, really, bad..

 

 

I can't find the documentary I watched. I think it was on Discovery Times Channel(RIP), now called ID and really lame) or National Geographic, those two lil things or youtube just touch on it...

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I do live in Germany, and I apologize to my german friends for just making a bold statement and lumping them with their nazi bonehead counterparts.

 

Yes the Anti Facist movement is big here in Germany that is true. But traveling around Deutschland have seen closed minds toward "others"

 

I mostly made this thread to get people to take notice, we are our own watch dogs and shouldnt let the tragedies of the past be forgotten.

 

I hate neo nazis and have been part of the anti-fascist movement in the states. but it even more of a tragedy here to see nazis. Germany is such a wonderful place and the people here are awesome, and I know they would not want the brown shirts to return to their homeland

 

I would as a big fan of this place see that happen again.

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