Smart Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 50,000 dogs killed in five days in China Mouding county officials criticised for anti-rabies campaign A file picture of officials clubbing a dog to death on a street in Luoping county in southwest China's Yunnan province on Saturday April 29, 2006 Shanghai: As many as 50,000 dogs were killed in a government-ordered campaign in a Chinese county following the deaths of three persons from rabies, official media reported on Tuesday. The five-day massacre in southwestern Yunnan province’s Mouding county ended Sunday; only military guard dogs and police canine units were spared, the Shanghai Daily reported, citing local media. Teams entered villages at night creating noise to get dogs barking, then homing in on their prey. Owners were offered 5 yuan (approximately Rs 30) per animal to kill their own dogs before the teams were sent in. In some cases, dogs being walked were taken from their owners and beaten to death on the spot. The nearly indiscriminate brutality of the campaign drew criticism in the media, while the United Nations’ World Health Organisation (WHO) said more emphasis needed to be placed on prevention. “Wiping out dogs shows these government officials didn’t do their jobs right in protecting people from rabies in the first place,” Legal Daily, a newspaper run by the central government’s Politics and Law Committee, said in an editorial in its online edition. Dr Francette Dusan, a WHO expert on diseases passed from animals to people, said effective rabies control requires co-ordinated efforts between various civic authorities and government agencies. According to the Shanghai Daily, about 360 of the county’s 200,000 residents suffered dog bites this year, with three reported deaths, including a 4-year-old girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spectr Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 i read this earlier. i love the fact that peta just now decided to boycott china. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"inkie" Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 this is seriously fucking disturbing...... the chinese government is so fucked up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spectr Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 not really when you think about it. england did a similar thing with cows when everyone was worrying about mad cow a few years ago. america allows people to do it to animals that ranchers and farmers consider threats to crops and livestock. and just think about all the meat that is eaten worldwide.. now is it really all that disturbing? and does it really make the chinese goverment all that fucked up. granted they are fucked up for lots of other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2342 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Fucking disturbing indeed. Stick a fork in me and call me done- with news for the day. Really fucking depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted August 2, 2006 Author Share Posted August 2, 2006 not really when you think about it. england did a similar thing with cows when everyone was worrying about mad cow a few years ago. Um... the English went around in govt. mobs offering people $10 to kill their own cows before the mob clubbed them to death? I think most of the 'first world' has eschewed the club in favor of other means of animal destruction... execpt for seals. Oh, and I have clubbed a couple chickens to death for having foamy eye disease but that really only takes one good shot... never more than 2 a day and only like 7 or 8 total. Anyway, I think that makes me something of an authority on clubbing animals to death and doing it to dogs is probably wronger than doing it to chickens... equal with seals but only puppies equal baby seals (*also called pups)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spectr Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 granted china used different methods then most other countries have but in the end it still gets the same effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CACashRefund Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 what do you expect from a counrty that has practised organ harvesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man with the Answers Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 nobody bitches when we kill thousands of mad cows.. so what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted August 2, 2006 Author Share Posted August 2, 2006 granted... but in the end it still gets the same effect. Ok, well, the cows thing in the UK was kinda horrific. As I recall the cows had to be destroyed and burned on site for fear of spreading the disease, so it wasn't the most pleasant of tasks... I still don't feel like that's quite on the level of clubbing pets to death in public. Nuisance predators aren't often captured and relocated to the city to be clubbed in the streets either... I think perhaps you would have fared better with your myopic argument if you'd used the word 'result'. The results could be generalized into the 'animal killed by humans' catergory but... The effect of shooting a ranch predator is FAR removed from euthanizing and immolating cattle but both are WORLDS AWAY FROM CLUBBING PETS IN THE STREETS! Also, if you have an animal rights argument to counter what I've just pointed out... DON'T POST IT! I bought the Animal Liberation album in 1987 and I've played 'Testure' in clubs too many times to count. I've done my bit and you got some of my money. PETA, ELF et al. SHUT UP and leave me alone FOREVER now! I'm gonna keep eating animals! How do you know plants don't have souls you fucking elitist! I wear leather shoes, I keep dogs as pets and I wipe my ass with squirrles and bunnies wrapped in hundred dollar bills! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spectr Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 i personally think plants have souls and we are all going to hell for eating them. all i am saying is that killing animals is a pretty common thing. so whats the big deal about 50,000 dogs? i personally don't support the clubbing of dogs in the street, but things of this nature really aren't all that uncommon now or throughout history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted August 2, 2006 Author Share Posted August 2, 2006 Sure, I remember the last time 50,000 animals were clubbed to death over 5 days in my hometown. Of course, we chose cats but, everyone has their tastes. Honestly, it wasn't really that hard to meet the 10,000 a day average so after we hit the quota every afternoon we'd just quit counting and club for fun. You're right, common stuff, my bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOh Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 pretty brutal if you ask me. does anybody know if a dog is able to be helped once it has rabies? or are they incurable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spectr Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2273890,00.html 10,000 greyhounds in england... animal shelters for animals that they can't get adopted.... http://birding.about.com/library/weekly/aa071499.htm a giant amount of birds... i mean its not all that uncommon for people to kill animals shit what 50 people a day die in baghdad? i mean come on now thats pretty impressive.. granted its fucked up but its really not all that uncommon. china just used different methods then most other places. and rabies is incurable iron_lung Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted August 2, 2006 Author Share Posted August 2, 2006 pretty sure animals are done for if they contract rabies, but there's a vaccination so they never have to get it. Also, there's no reason ANY human needs to die of rabies because that can be treated too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broke1 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 crazy shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 50,000 is probably how many animals are euthanized in a week. Animals get killed all the time just for taking up space. and.... Also, if you have an animal rights argument to counter what I've just pointed out... DON'T POST IT! I bought the Animal Liberation album in 1987 and I've played 'Testure' in clubs too many times to count. I've done my bit and you got some of my money. PETA, ELF et al. SHUT UP and leave me alone FOREVER now! I'm gonna keep eating animals! How do you know plants don't have souls you fucking elitist! I wear leather shoes, I keep dogs as pets and I wipe my ass with squirrles and bunnies wrapped in hundred dollar bills! THANK YOU! Other animals eat other animals. Shit, some eat their own babies! I don't agree with some of the way that our food is treated before it's killed, but WTF, animals eat other animals. One day, we'll be eaten, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted August 2, 2006 Author Share Posted August 2, 2006 OK, I have tried 3 times in 3 hours to post this but some stupid fucking flash error off that 'About' page keeps freezing my shit... SO... I'm gonna have to seperate it... First! I misspoke when I said: I wear leather shoes' date=' I keep dogs as pets and I wipe my ass with squirrles and bunnies wrapped in hundred dollar bills![/quote'] I meant: I wear leather shoes' date=' I keep dogs as pets and I wipe my ass with squirrles and bunnies wrapped in bunnies or squirrels and the OCCASIONAL hundred dollar bill![/quote'] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smart Posted August 2, 2006 Author Share Posted August 2, 2006 Next: 10' date='000 greyhounds in england...[/quote'] Well, I'm gonna take the advice offered in the second article and 'do the math'... The paper quoted one unnamed trainer saying that Mr Smith had buried at least 10' date='000 dogs at his home during the past 15 years. He said he charged £10 a time for the service.[/size'] Ok, they didn't say 'killed', they said 'buried' and it seems to be a business so, that's like 13K a year as far as money goes, no GREAT scratch but I'm sure it pays some bills... Let's just assume for arguments sake that he killed them all... Also, because the story I originally posted is about 5 days, we're gonna have to refer to 5 days as a 'week' for this problem... now the math: 365/5=73... So, 73 'weeks' a year for 15 years... 15*73=1095... and he 'buried' 10K over that time span so... 10K/1095=9.1(ish)... so, let's say 10. So, 10 a 'week' is 2 a day. Far from 10K a day.... animal shelters for animals that they can't get adopted.... A report three years ago... suggested that 12' date='000 dogs across the UK could be killed or discarded after their racing careers were over.[/size'] "Suggested... Could... Discarded...AFTER..." Yeah, that's a problem but it's mostly hypothetical and it apparently hasn't already happened even though we're referencing a 3 year old report... Even so... 12K/365=33(ish) so... 33 a day, STILL a far cry from 10K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALIgula Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 when i was in china...i dont remember seeing ANY dogs...i thought that was weird...when i asked the translator about it, he said "don't worry, they won't slip dog into your food...it's an expensive meat"...just to be on the safe side i spent a great amount of time at Mickey Dees.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASER1NE Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 I watched PETA video about a year ago that was so fucking savage I wont ever wear fur. As far as im concerned unless you live in the arctic theres no reason to wear an animals skin as a jacket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2342 Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 There is no treatment for rabies; once symptoms begin, the disease is always fatal. It can be prevented, but not cured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2342 Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 I watched PETA video about a year ago that was so fucking savage I wont ever wear fur. As far as im concerned unless you live in the arctic theres no reason to wear an animals skin as a jacket. Bravo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 when i was in china...i dont remember seeing ANY dogs...i thought that was weird...when i asked the translator about it' date=' he said "don't worry, they won't slip dog into your food...it's an expensive meat"...just to be on the safe side i spent a great amount of time at Mickey Dees..[/quote'] As if grade D chicken meat--cartiledge, beaks, feet, intestines--was any better than dog meat. :sick: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 do they seriously need to club them ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAXMAN79 Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 do they seriously need to club them ???? do you know how much money it woulod cost for bullets or poison (not that I endorce any of this ) I think its cost controll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALIgula Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 As if grade D chicken meat--cartiledge' date=' beaks, feet, intestines--was any better than dog meat. :sick:[/quote'] naw.....stuck with the mcfish and french fries.. but seriously...after a while i was tired of the "authentic" chinese food.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 do they seriously need to club them ???? Somehow, I think that policemen shooting dogs on the streets would probably lead to a little bit more trouble. They could just make a really big sack and throw the dogs into the river, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2342 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Let Us Now Kill All The Dogs China slaughters tens of thousands of canines with giant clubs. How appalling is it? By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, August 9, 2006 http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/08/09/notes080906.DTL&nl=fix Chinese officials killed 50,000 dogs the other day. Just walked along the streets and lured them out of their homes and bushes and doghouses using whistles and firecrackers and then clubbed them to death with giant sticks, right there in the residential streets, tossed the bodies into big dump trucks and drove on. It was a particularly horrific scene, seemingly unimaginable in our "enlightened" age, a fully sanctioned slaughter ordered up by the local Chinese government in response to the recent deaths of three local people felled by rabies. Without some sort of action, more people could die, the government deduced. Solution: Kill all the dogs. Problem solved, right? Well, not quite. Now another Shanghai prefecture has ordered the slaughter of all its dogs, too, in response to the rabies-related deaths of 16 people in the past eight months. This particular region has an estimated 500,000 dogs. No word yet on how it plans to kill them all, but the strolling-and-clubbing thing might be the only way, given how even Chinese citizens tend to be slightly uncooperative when it comes to giving up their pets for random government massacre in front of their very eyes. Chinese authorities fear a rabies epidemic. Already in China, upward of 2,000 people die per year from rabies (only 3 percent of China's dogs are vaccinated). It's a worsening problem. It is not, by most estimates, as potentially lethal as the bird flu epidemic, but it's still highly dangerous. Given how they say it's far too late (and far too expensive) to vaccinate all the dogs, the clearest way to stop the epidemic is, well, to kill all the dogs. Isn't it? There is nowhere to look for the right answer. How do you process this? How can you file such an unspeakably brutal and seemingly heartless approach? Maybe you are shaking your head in disbelief. Maybe you can't process it at all, but you must admit, it brings a up number of powerful -- and deeply revealing -- notions of just who we think we are. Start with the birds. Recent bird flu outbreaks prompted the slaughter of chickens all over Asia. In 1997, Hong Kong slaughtered 1.2 million chickens to try and stop the first big outbreak, but it was only the tip of the bloody iceberg. Asia (and to a lesser degree, Africa and India) have since slit the throats of hundreds of millions of birds to stop what some scientists see as the most deadly potential epidemic of this age. So, the obvious question: Was the poultry slaughter any less horrible than what's now happening to the dogs? More justifiable due to the potential for human loss? Maybe so. Or maybe it's simply because we love fuzzy cute dogs more than ugly dumb chickens. It is difficult to parse. Obviously, dogs are much less valued in China as pets, as creatures with soul, than they are in the United States. It is an ugly cultural divide we cannot easily traverse. By most estimates, China has a decidedly ruthless perspective on the animal kingdom. For one thing, a billion people with an enormous underclass of poverty translates into perhaps one of the most truly bizarre and massive food marketplaces in the world, one that would certainly make most Americans quite sick. Or instantly vegetarian. As my knowledgeable travel friends tell me (and many food shows and travel documentaries obviously prove), there is nothing on this planet quite like a Chinese "wet market" for experiencing the full, glistening, slimy array of the animal kingdom, all manner of parts and organs and skins and droppings and other ghastly unmentionables -- not to mention insects and sea creatures and freakishly colored squishy things few people seem to be able to clearly identify -- that can be eaten by humans. They eat everything. No animal is off limits, no body part impossible to skewer or steam or peel or eat raw while still warm from the body. And there are plenty of tales of what constitutes a food delicacy in China that may seem terribly weird or cruel to us. But overall, you can also argue that it's a very efficient and thorough system. Nothing is wasted. But wait. Is America really that much more evolved? Do we not kill millions of ill-bred, hormone-injected, mistreated animals every single day in giant industrial slaughterhouses to feed our gluttonous and largely toxic fast-food cravings? You bet we do. As for dogs, well, we love them to death: Our nation's overrun animal shelters kill an estimated 3 to 4 million dogs and cats per year due to overbreeding and puppy mills and ignorance of spaying and neutering. They're not even rabid. They are no threat whatsoever. You have to ask: Are we much better at our treatment of animals simply because we've learned to hide it better? Because most of us will never come anywhere near one of those gruesome industrial feedlots in, say, rural Kansas or Oklahoma, where they cram tens of thousands of cattle into concrete-enclosed pens and the air is so thick with fetid gasses and feces and smokestack spewings you can smell the stench 100 miles away? But hey, at least we don't club our dogs in the streets in broad daylight. We're not, you know, monsters. To be fair, many in China were outraged by the initial dog slaughter. The brutality, the primitive approach is simply unspeakable, even for a country known for its dispassionate look at the animal world. Then again, many said the mass slaughter was entirely appropriate. After all, 2,000 people died in one year. Of course, 100,000 also died from government-sanctioned smoking addictions. But, you know, oh well. The wise ones say you can measure the wisdom and spiritual consciousness of a culture by how it treats its animals. But it's a strange maxim. It is a guideline that is nearly impossible to properly navigate in the modern world, no matter what the culture, simply because there are so many gross contradictions, from respectful and tender to absolutely ruthless and abusive. And it's not just China. And it's not merely animals. It is nothing new, this mass-slaughter idea, emerging from somewhere deep within our darkest and most mindless souls: Got a bad case of something? Problem with some sort of unwanted infestation? Mad cows? Killer bees? Dogs? Chickens? Gays? Jews? Kurds? Tibetans? Rwandans? Sudanese? Pagans? Witches? Communists? Native Americans? Serbs? Palestinians? Terrorists? That's easy: Kill 'em all. The method is, apparently, in our blood. We do it all the time. We know this much: There appears to be a line somewhere. We all seem to sense it, though no one can quite put a finger on it. We know this line speaks to us as a supposedly enlightened species, as the creatures with the most advanced brains and (presumably) most nimble and sophisticated souls. But if we're honest, it makes us all a little uneasy, a little uncomfortable as the line often seems to demarcate not how enlightened we are but how far we truly seem to be from any sort of true evolution or advancement of spirit. Because so far, the best we as a species seem to have come up with is this: Do not kill innocent things in broad daylight with large sticks. The rest is, to say the least, still more than a little murky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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