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howard dean is a fraud

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i've tried to respect people's views on this guy, but come on...

 

check it...

dude is trying to opt out of the public finance system so that he can take big corporate $$$ and become even more "electable." this after he swore on march 7 that he'd never do such a thing and that it was essential to reform elections and get big corporate interests out of the process... so he and his supporters are voting on this issue, as if the fact that he even brought up the issue didn't make him even more of a prevaricating sleaze...

 

it baffles me that intelligent people support this dude.

 

nevermind the false ads he did.

or the confederate comments.

or the 100% NRA approval.

 

gimme a break.

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a position change on nearly every important issue.

 

can't this guy make up his mind about anything?

 

hehehehehheeeee...'check it'

 

DEAN FLIP-FLOPS ON COMPLETING MISSION IN IRAQ

 

 

DUCK: Dean Ducked Troops Question. "[Dean] repeatedly declined to say whether he thinks the United States should withdraw its troops immediately from Iraq, as some vocal war opponents urge. Responding to questions before and during the event, Dean declined to call for the troops’ return, saying he didn’t know the implications for geopolitics and soldiers’ safety and wasn’t privy to intelligence on the ground in Iraq. ‘I didn’t get us into this,’ Dean said. ‘Unfortunately, I’m not president now and I can’t get us out of this.’" (Joanna Weiss, "Dean Ducks Prescription For Quitting Iraq," The Boston Globe, 3/27/03)

 

FLIP: Dean Then Berated Bush For Suggesting American Troops Could Come In 18 Months. "If the President thinks our troops will be out in 18 months, he is smoking something he forgot about when he was at Yale." (Rebecca Cook, "Howard Dean Rallies Supporters In Seattle," The Associated Press, 5/15/03)

 

FLOP: Dean Said U.S. Should Not Pull Troops Out Of Iraq. "We can’t leave Iraq. We can’t pull out, because if we do that, chaos ensues or else a fundamentalist Shiite regime may arise with undo Iranian influence, both of which would be more dangerous than Saddam Hussein." (Howard Dean On CNN’s "Crossfire Goes Inside Politics," 9/1/03)

 

FLIP: Only Three Days Later: In Debate, Dean Said Our Troops Should Come Home From Iraq. "We need more troops. They’re going to be foreign troops, as they should have been in the first place, not American troops. Ours need to come home." (Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Albuquerque, NM, 9/4/03)

 

FLOP: Now Dean Says Just Some Troops Should Come Home. "Ultimately, over a period of time, assuming you can get the cooperation of the Europeans and others, I would like to reduce by half the number of troops the Americans have in Iraq and increase dramatically so that we get up to a troop strength of between 170,000 and 200,000 in Iraq." (NBC’s "Today Show," 9/8/03)

 

DEAN FLIP-FLOPS OVER AMERICAN LABOR STANDARDS

 

 

July 2003: Dean Called For Strict American Labor Standards For International Trade. "Unlike U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, Dean doesn’t want to get rid of the North American Free Trade Agreement. ‘This trade is important to America. It’s important for our national defense,’ Dean said. ‘But we need the same labor standards in Mexico and China as you have in the United States, and the same environmental standards.’" (Lynn Okamoto, "Dean Calls Economy Top Issue For 2004 Race," The Des Moines Register, 7/19/03)

 

Dean Backpedaled In Debate, Saying International Standards Could Work. LIEBERMAN: "[M]ay I say just briefly that Governor Dean … referred to American standards, not international standards." DEAN: "Either is fine with me." LIEBERMAN: "Well, then that’s a reassuring change of position." (Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Albuquerque, NM, 9/4/03)

 

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON PUBLIC FINANCING OF HIS 2004 CAMPAIGN

 

 

Summer 2003 Public Financing Flip-Flop: Dean "backed away from his pledge to adhere to spending limits, saying some advisers want to explore opting out of the Watergate-era public financing system because of his sudden fund-raising success. … ‘Could we change our mind? Sure,’ he said. … [in June,] "Dean signed a letter to the [Federal Election Commission] promising to abide by the program’s rules, including its spending limits." (Ron Fournier, "Dean Pulls Back On Spending Limits Pledge," The Associated Press, 8/15/03)

 

DEAN ALSO FLIP-FLOPPED ON PUBLIC FINANCING OF HIS 2000 CAMPAIGN!

 

 

July 2000 Public Financing Flip: "Gov. Howard Dean is challenging his Republican opponents to accept a $300,000 campaign spending cap even if a federal judge overturns the limit. … ‘This law is important in restoring public faith in the election process,’ Dean said in a prepared statement. ‘Vermonters need to know that their small donations are just as important as a $1,000 check from a multi-national corporation or PAC (political action committee).’ Dean said he was at a financial disadvantage, first because he had a lower spending limit as an incumbent, but also because he faced two challengers who were likely to have at least $300,000 apiece." ("Dean Challenges Republicans To Spending Limits," The Associated Press, 7/21/00)

 

August 2000 Public Financing Flop: "Gov. Howard Dean abandoned public funding for his re-election campaign, saying he couldn’t take the chance he would be outspent 4-1 by his Republican opponent. Publicly financed campaigns were part of strict campaign finance reform legislation championed by Dean, who signed it into law in 1997. … Progressive Party gubernatorial candidate Anthony Pollina, the only candidate now using public funding, criticized Dean’s decision. ‘I am not surprised. In some way it shows his true colors,’ Pollina said. ‘Ultimately, it’s a victory for big money and bad for average citizens.’" (Wilson Ring, "Governor Abandons Public Funding," The Associated Press, 8/18/00)

 

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON LIFTING CUBA EMBARGO

 

 

Dean Once Favored Lifting Cuba Embargo, Now Says It Would Be Wrong. "Howard Dean, who sells himself as the presidential campaign’s straightest shooter, is starting to throw voters some curves. … Last weekend, Dean shifted his position on the trade embargo against Cuba. Dean, who had supported rolling back the embargo to foment human rights improvements, said he has become convinced such a move would be unwise. Cuban Americans, who generally support the embargo, are an important voting bloc in several states, including Florida."(Jim VandeHei, "Dean Invites More Scrutiny By Switching Key Stances," The Washington Post, 8/30/03)

 

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON YUCCA MOUNTAIN

 

 

1996 Governor Dean Yucca Mountain Flip: "I am urging you to support changes in the Nuclear Waste Policy Act that would ensure that the federal government meets its responsibility to electricity consumers to begin accepting spent fuel from commercial power plants in 1998. … Opponents assert that the shipment of nuclear waste is highly unsafe, but the facts prove otherwise. Over the past 30 years, more than 2000 shipments of spent nuclear fuel have been made on the nation’s highways and railways. No shipment has ever resulted in a release of radioactivity or public harm. [emphasis in original] … I sincerely hope you will support S. 1271 to establish an integrated spent fuel management program that includes a centralized, interim storage facility, continued site characterization of the potential repository at Yucca Mountain in Nevada, and an appropriate transportation system to move spent fuel." (Gov. Howard Dean, Letter To Sen. Patrick Leahy, 5/1/96)

 

2003 Candidate Dean Yucca Mountain Flop: REPORTER: "As governor, you supported a plan to store the nation’s waste at Yucca Mountain, Nev. Do you still think this is a good solution?" DEAN: "As governor of Vermont, it was a grand idea because it would get the waste out of Vermont. But now that I’m running for president, I’ve got to reassess it and see what the science looks like." (Amanda Griscom, "Q&A: Howard Dean On The Environment," Alternet Website, www.alternet.org, Accessed 6/4/03)

 

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON DEATH PENALTY

 

 

"Opportunist" Dean Now Supports The Death Penalty In Some Cases. "Vermont liberals say Dean’s governing history suggests more of a political tactician, a strategic opportunist who will ultimately run a campaign that inspires the middle as well as the left. … Some years back, [Dean] reversed his opposition to the death penalty and now supports it in some cases."(Terry M. Neal, "Will The Real Howard Dean Please Stand Up?" Washingtonpost.com, 7/31/03)

 

In Disastrous ‘Meet The Press’ Appearance, Dean Admitted To Death Penalty Flip-Flop. "An appearance on ‘Meet the Press’ by Dr. Dean on Sunday, arranged by his aides as part of this announcement swing, turned into what even some Dean supporters described today as something of a debacle, highlighting many areas of attacks Dr. Dean would be subject to in a general election or a primary. … Dr. Dean also acknowledged that he had changed his position on the death penalty -- he now supports it in some cases, after once having been a strong opponent …" (Adam Nagourney, "After A Year Campaigning, Dean Officially Enters Race," The New York Times, 6/24/03)

 

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON FEDERAL MEDICAL LIABILITY REFORM

 

 

1994 Federal Medical Liability Reform Flip: DEAN: "We’ve absolutely got to have malpractice reform. Absolutely. And I think it ought to be done at the federal level. In fact, that’s- I think all 50 governors think that." (CNN’s "Viewers Call In With Health Care Questions," 7/18/94)

 

2002 Federal Medical Liability Reform Flop: DEAN: "As a doctor, I’d love to have all kinds of malpractice reform. That is not the federal government’s business. This administration, for all its talk about states’ prerogatives and local control, doesn’t believe in it. They simply substituted conservative micromanagement for what used to be liberal micromanagement. It’s like gun control. That is a state matter, not a federal matter." (CNN’s "Capital Gang," 10/5/02)

 

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON RETIREMENT AGE

 

 

1995 Governor Dean Retirement Age Flip: DEAN: "Secondly, I am very pleased to hear Bob Packwood because I absolutely agree we need to … increase the retirement age. There will be cuts and losses of some benefits, but I believe that Senator Packwood is on exactly the right track. … " (CNN’s "Crossfire," 2/28/95)

 

2003 Candidate Dean Retirement Age Flop: RUSSERT: "Would you raise [the] retirement age to 70?" DEAN: "No. No." (NBC’s "Meet The Press," 6/22/03)

 

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON CREATING DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY

 

 

2002 Homeland Security Flip: Asked what he thought of the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, Dean said: "I don’t have a quarrel with bureaucracy. I wouldn’t do it that way, but I think everyone does their own thing. … I’m not going to attack the President for trying to create a homeland security office—it’s a reasonable thing to do." (Ann Rostow, "Give ‘Em Hell Howard," Texas Triangle, 9/5-10/02)

 

2003 Homeland Security Flop: Howard Dean "‘says the creation of a homeland security department was a mistake and that Tom Ridge is the wrong man for the job.’ In an interview with CQ Homeland Security’s Freedman, Dean said: ‘I would not have created the Department of Homeland Security.’ He added: ‘Creating a new bureaucracy is rarely the actual solution to creating efficiency.’" ("Dean Takes On Homeland Security, Tom Ridge," The Hotline, 5/21/03)

 

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY

 

 

1995 Governor Dean Social Security Flip: "The way to balance the budget, Dean said, is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut almost everything else. ‘It would be tough but we could do it,’ he said." (Miles Benson, "And Politicians Wonder Why They Aren’t Trusted," Times-Picayune [New Orleans, La], 3/5/95)

 

2003 Candidate Dean Social Security Flop: RUSSERT: "But you would no longer cut Social Security benefits?" DEAN: "But you don’t--no. I’m not ever going to cut Social Security benefits." (NBC’s "Meet The Press," 6/22/03)

 

from..

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981921/posts

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Guest TEARZ

well done !@#$%.

 

rage, dean isn't the only guy who can beat bush. with this shit he's pulling, he won't even come close. here comes the politics of electabilty again... jeezus... vote for what's fucking right.

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Originally posted by -Rage-

Would you rather have Bush for another four years?

 

I think not. 87 Billion, fucker.

 

is it so unbelievable that Dean could be almost as bad as Bush..

maybe worse??

 

at least with Bush it's the devil we all know..

 

with Dean it's the devil who we don't know at all because he changes his mind on every issue according to popular opinion [at that moment]

 

why not pick the best candidate possible instead of anyone who maybe has the money to equal bush's campaign?

 

why not try to raise conciousness??

 

fucker.

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I vote for TEARZ & !@#$% as the cutest 12oz duo.

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I used to be in the "get a third party in here" crew. Sadly, this election I'm going to have to turn my back on the idea and just vote for whoever the democrat is, just to get rid of Bush. He's that bad.

My governor is not Jeb Bush so my vote has a chance of counting.

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Just imagine what Bush will do when there's no chance of being

re-elected because of term limits. A politician who doesn't need

to worry about re-election is a very powerfull and scary man.

 

I guess a bunch of you will be my neighbours before too long.

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come on now..

the election hasn't even happened yet.

 

and more importantly, the next year hasn't either.

 

iraq is far from over.

he only needs to continue bungling that for a little while, more americans dying every day, popular sentiment will turn..

someone on pbs noted last night that the iraqis understand the american democratic process..

 

they know that more attacks now bodes poorly for bush next year..and continued occupation..

 

bush is the type of guy who just needs enough rope.

i'm hoping he's dangling by next summer.

 

of course, it could all just be wishful thinking, in which case i'm back to detesting the lethargic, imperialistic american public..

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i think your with someone else there mang, i havent said anything in this thread until now. thanks for the support anyway. hehe.

 

 

i have my eye on our neighbor to the north if shit gets too out of hand.

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I'm with roe, unfortunately... things aren't looking good for the dems. The viable candidates screw up every single time they open their mouths, and the candidates that don't simply aren't viable. It's almost as if you have to be a bumbling idiot to have a chance at the democrat seat. Maybe they're taking Bush's example and saying, "Dude, the president is a moron and people like him, so we have to act like morons too".

 

I'm reaffirming my support for the PR Independence Party. I really don't want anything to do with the US if Bush stays.

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anythings better than bush. if bush is re elected, i think ill be more disappointed in the amercian people than pissed that the dumbass is back. i will truly be ashamed to be american if bush wins again.

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Originally posted by TEARZ

jeezus... vote for what's fucking right.

 

all the propoganda around here (mostly for clark)

says stuff like "clark in = bush out"

"clark leads the polls"

"vote for someone that can actually win"

 

not even touching on any actual issue...

 

and kilo, i've been planning on moving out of the US since the patriot act (which every canidate that could vote on it, approved, except denny)... just gotta handle some business here first.

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poop man,

i'm interested... has your support for dean waned recently?

 

around my parts, dean support has palpably decreased. supporters have been flocking to other candidates. those who are still around usually don't offer much in why they support him; typically they're in the rage camp (where'd the posts go?)- "he's the guy that will beat bush."

he's run a great campaign so far, i must admit, but he's hurt himself terribly in the past few weeks.

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Originally posted by Cracked Ass

My governor is not Jeb Bush so my vote has a chance of counting.

 

 

But... what about we unfortunate saps who DO have Jeb as our

governor?

 

 

 

I knew I shouldn't have moved to Florida.

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tearz,, what's wrong w/ the nra anyway?

 

just how it's basically a big corporation to keep republicans in office?

 

i've actually considered joining them... i'm all about my right to bare arms... i've also thought about joining the aclu.... but i don't have money for either. and im not really a group kinda person.

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Originally posted by TEARZ

poop man,

i'm interested... has your support for dean waned recently?

 

First off, I don't want to play the role of Token Dean Supporter. I know you're not barracading me into that position, but I feel that if I start to defend any of his actions/motives that I'll effectively be forced to continue doing so until the end of time.

 

So let me make it clear: I support all the Democratic candidates. Everyone. Even Mosley-Braun. (well, save Lieberman).

 

Now on to the question: no, my support hasn't waned, although, to be honest, I haven't followed the news as closely the last two weeks - school's been a bitch. I've only donated money once, and that was a few months ago, so that's not necessarily a measure of my support. I still support Dean; however, like you implied, I'm beginning to think he may have peaked too early. He enjoyed a rather extended honeymoon with the press, emerging from "oops" moments even stronger than before he had to put his foot in his mouth. I think the Confederate flag thing may have stuck a little more than the other comments he's made. HOWEVER (and key), this situation has been blown way out of proportion. Nowhere in the man's statement was he advocating slavery, the Confederacy, racism, whatever. He was merely stating a fact - that the Democrats should be able to appeal to as broad a section of America as possible. [Note this isn't me advocating becoming Republicans-lite, as the DLC would have it]. The sentence right after the Confederate flag sentence is key - to paraphrase, he stated that these Southern Dems don't have health insurance either, plus the education of their children is subpar. Why all the hoopla?

 

Re: the public financing. There's nothing inconsistent about being for public financing while refusing to voluntarily put yourself into a straightjacket. Why handcuff yourself when doing so would eliminate your ability to have any semblance of a level playing field? Why is it that the public campaign finance system is threatened only when Dean chooses to forgo limits, when Bush will spend upwards of $200mil without an opponent? Every Dem candidate should forgo public financing until the system works, which it clearly does not.

 

To quote a reader on another site: "At this point, the closest thing in the world to the goal of public money for campaigns is exactly what Howard Dean has been doing. The average donor to his campaign has contributed less than $80. How many business/special interests is he going to be beholden to in that case? The only special interest that has funded his campaign is his own supporters. There's no Enron working behind the scenes to try to back him up and then demand favors from him later. There's just American people. Dean's campaign is literally closer to public financing of campaigns than any campaign in history, including those that took public money."

 

The only way public financing will work is when all candidates must manditorily choose public financing and the limits incumbent with that choice.

 

 

 

Now, please, don't let this start an efight, certainly between two guys that are both rockin' awesome dudes. You and I both want the same thing - no Bush. :hug:

 

*edit - I cna't splel.

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vanity, the NRA is problematic for a whole host of reasons... i don't want to sidetrack the debate, but i don't think that fully automatic assault weapons and armor-piercing bullets are needed by the average civilian. i know that i come across as a real lefty, but i'm actually pretty even on the gun control thing. besides what they advocate for, you touched on how entrenched they are in politics- dean has a 100% NRA approval rating- i know he's from VT, one of the most gun-friendly states, but truthfully you don't get a 100% approval rate without being a NRA "buddy." ya follow?

 

PMB, i wouldn't dream of starting an e-fight, i hope you don't feel like i was trying to goad you into one... i simply asked because i know that you would typically be willing to take the time to thoughtfully respond, which i appreciate. i know that there are other dean folks on this site; unfortunately they're not as willing or able to string together a cohesive response. no beef from my end homey, i hope i'm not coming across as incendiary and confrontational. my bust on that.

 

as you know, i've never liked dean- besides the political qualities, he seemed to have greasy intangibles- like browner said, he gives me the scuzz vibe. he seems like he's real angry under the surface and ready to explode. of course i can't rationally justify any of this...

however, i really took issue with the bullshit ads he put out saying that he was the only candidate against the war. that crossed the line of prevarication into outright lie and intentional and willfull deception of the american public. and he never apologized, although he did drop the ads basically because he had to. i can't stress enough how much it pissed me off that he OUTRIGHT LIED in a contrived, self-produced message that he (and his mostly progressive supporters) paid for. there was no accident or misunderstanding. campaign ads are rigorous scrutinized for the type of message they want to convey.

i agree that the public finance system doesn't create anything close to a fair fight. however, the principle is important, and dean VOWED to use it until the end and criticized those taking corporation funds. where are his principals? he just seems more and more like a status quo politician everyday, and like i felt before, the anti-war stance was an opportunist's move to jump into the arena. he's played himself badly and now people are noticing.

 

no beefski. utmost respect.

tears.

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