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Discussion in 'Metal Heads' started by krowteN, Jul 26, 2002.

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  1. krowteN

    krowteN Member

    Joined: Jan 26, 2002 Messages: 480 Likes Received: 0
    sisnce there seems to be some sort of harmony in trainspoting on topics with substance, unlike "how many freights have you done this year" or "who is the best freight crew" id like to get some feedback on what i believe is a topic with substance.
    Spot Jocking...which has also been refered to Sidebusting.
    yesterday i saw a Pre piece on a 90' auto patrs carrier (one of those extra long boxcars). it was on the very end of the right pannel. the left pannel was clean but two kids, whose shit i couldnt even read, was squeezed in between the door and the Pre's piece. To me this is the epitomy of spot jockage. especially when the left pannel is clear, and on these cars you have plenty of room to get loose without touching reporting marks and weight limits. but how can you proove this is spot jocking, maybe it was an ambush and the spot that was jocked was the only spot to hit. and the same goes for the layup. maybe the only paintable car forces one to spot jock or sidebust.
  2. ORAC

    ORAC New Jack

    Joined: Jul 9, 2002 Messages: 32 Likes Received: 0

    yeah, sidebusting is wack. but if it's the only spot then it's the only spot. hit that shit, but write something on the car so that everbody doesn't think you're painting with the other person.
  3. alabama

    alabama Member

    Joined: Nov 18, 2001 Messages: 618 Likes Received: 0
    yeah.....squeezing in by that pre is whack......but i dont think theres anything wrong with hitting the left panel if its open......i hardly ever get up on a car that someones already hit, but when i do, its always on the other end.....and thats ONLY when i cant find any clean cars to paint, or any cars covered in shit that need a good buffing.....eventually, this will be a much bigger issue. im sure theres plenty of people on this board that hate sidebusting all around.....me.... i could care less if somebody in another state gets up on another part of the car im riding on.....but thats just me....but yeah....im sure people across the country ARE being forced to do it, just because theres a WHOLE LOT more people painting freights in their general....in five years or so everybodys gonna be sidebusting.....

    IHATEU 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Nov 30, 2000 Messages: 10,238 Likes Received: 330
    NEVER paint a pannel over from some one you do not know....i dont care if there is one box at all of my spots, there will be more next week...and shit if im that desperate ill just cover some toy before i take the clean pannel...operation clean up 2002...
    BUT it is hard to set rules in a subculture that is about breaking the rules... but in my oppinion i feel it is either jocking a better writer OR getting up with some fool that is not even your friend to give the appearence or idea that they might have painted together...
    oh and "alabama" get off my dick with the exagerated period usage, that is a IHATEU coined trait on the 12oz message board....idiot...
  5. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 235
    ok, maybe im slow today, but lets say someone paints the left panel, am i to believe you're saying that its not ok to paint right panel, unles you know that person? even if there is a door inbetween pieces? or are you saying its not ok to fit on the same panel, if its an extended car and there is room?
  6. alabama

    alabama Member

    Joined: Nov 18, 2001 Messages: 618 Likes Received: 0
    i hope youre kidding....
  7. Cracked Ass

    Cracked Ass Veteran Member

    Joined: Oct 24, 2001 Messages: 7,898 Likes Received: 47
    He means, don't paint the other panel.
    Which brings me to my mixed feelings on the subject.
    For the most part I say sidebusting is wack. I was introduced to the concept early on. As I was just barely post-toy (or maybe as my last toy act), I saw a train with 3 well-known cats I've never met taking up 2/3 of the car. A local toy had added a crappy hollow in the far panel, which damaged the aesthetics of the car. I took it upon myself to go over the toy - except that made it a sidebust. The people I was beginning to paint with clued me in. Fortunately the car was a local for us, and once I realized what was up I told everybody to buff my thing off that car if they saw it again, and one of them did. I should have just buffed the toy and left it at that.
    Since then I've been against sidebusting. But with space filling up, I'm beginning to wonder anew. In the vast majority of cases, taking the unoccupied panel opposite someone you don't know feels wrong. But I could see this complaint from somebody who gets to the layup, and it's sidebust or go home: If doing one piece of ANY size means you're staking a claim to the entire car, why don't you go bigger? Can't sidebust an e2e or wholecar. At most wall spots there is no such distinction: space is space, and your only concern is who you're going over, not who you're going next to (except in cases of drastic skill level differences, or "showcase" spots like rooftops, prodos, crew-only, memorial pieces, etc).
    I once sidebusted by accident. A choice flat was in a sketchy night spot. The left panel had nothing but toy shit, and was behind cover, but if you stepped too far to the right you were out in the open under the glare of sodium lights. So I leaned back and glanced down at the far panel, and in the lousy light it looked clean, but I wasn't about to break cover in this particular spot for a better look. I hit my panel. Next day I'm back for flicks, and I see a very old, faded piece, possibly from '94, nothing I recognized, nothing sick but certainly of historical value. I wasn't about to buff myself off that one so I shrugged and let it roll.
    My rule now is that I'm not going to sidebust anything that was a quality effort, or even the lesser efforts of better known names. Stuff like fillins, throwups, tags I'm not sweating it unless the writer involved is no longer walking the earth.
    Even car type/size plays a role. If somebody did a small stamp way on one end of an auto parts extendo flat, yeah, I'll piece the other end. I'll just leave as much space as I can to emphasize that it was not a joint effort. (That's after looking around for a clean car - if I have a clean car available, I won't even approach a controversial move.)
    If you're established in the game, there's no question that it's a distasteful sight to see some yahoo you don't know riding shotgun on one of your cars, especially if you came off, or if you don't care for him or his crew. And yet I've seen cars with a bunch of different heads who definitely did not paint together, and it was an interesting result: the tale of a car that's been around. (Although this tale is better told with a big collection of streaks and tags all in the same spot; sidebusting really refers to pieces.)
    So again, I think it's wack most of the time, but not cut-and-dried. The best defense against getting sidebusted is to paint bigger. We need more e2es and wholecars. (And yes, I know, the spots to do them.)
  8. Remi Martin

    Remi Martin New Jack

    Joined: Jun 3, 2001 Messages: 96 Likes Received: 0
    as long as you burn it..its all good right? if its old it needs to be burnt twice as hard, for example if you go over a pannel from 95, then take flicks and burn the car end to end. and always take flicks of what you go over. if some crusher had 1000s of ups and i come across a fillin that ran for seven years, ill burn it and hope that it runs for another seven rather than having some toy go over it before it gets to roll out....
    but nahh, im not even that hardcore. i barley have to go over anybody and we would like to keep it that way, vs having to cut our qaulity panels for some cats that never even ran freeways for that long.
  9. TrustEvil

    TrustEvil Guest

    with a little common sense and and ounce of respect, you can get away with sidebusting if you must...keep in mind though that there are 4 panels and 2 doors on every boxcar, although they might not always be accessible....regardless, all these fucking rules are getting out of hand....its graffiti and its childish and if you do your thing and you do it well, no one can say shit about it...i think maybe we should ask CN or CSX or UP how THEY feel about sidebusting, you know, considering the cars belong to them and not us.
  10. krowteN

    krowteN Member

    Joined: Jan 26, 2002 Messages: 480 Likes Received: 0
    excellent point, with just the right amount of blunt obviousness. when you have to sidebust, you have to. point blank. if i have to sidebust, per circumstances that are out of my control than so be it. just like ill make room if i have to. and yes i think there are rules that should be adhered to, but like these guys getting next to that pre piece, or if you paint 4 trains in a spot with 10 cars and you know its chill to paint all 10 cars, and you come back the next day and some fool has painted only on the cars you painted, on the same side you painted....i mean thats not just sidebusting thats spot jocking. a double negative
  11. sixteenvandals

    sixteenvandals Senior Member

    Joined: Mar 15, 2001 Messages: 1,972 Likes Received: 0
    hit a spot the right way, and nobody can side bust you.

    end to end niggas
  12. blahblahblah

    blahblahblah Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 30, 2001 Messages: 5,527 Likes Received: 0
    I don't sidebust and i expect the same from others.... If it's the only panel in the place, go to another place...
  13. Remi Martin

    Remi Martin New Jack

    Joined: Jun 3, 2001 Messages: 96 Likes Received: 0
    ^ watch me go over your shit and burn it then, or i could just burn you on the other side of the car.
  14. boogie hands

    boogie hands 12oz Legend

    Joined: Feb 15, 2001 Messages: 16,059 Likes Received: 13
    as long as its not on the same panel and you dont go trying to match color schemes of the person your side busting i dont see a problem....ive had to do it a few times and when i do i make sure to note somewhere by my peice that i did sidebust....im not trying to step on toes but if your doing 1/4 of a car and expect no one to else to get up on it your a fucking turd....plain and simple

    there are exceptions but generally i just try and approach the situation with respect....
  15. TrustEvil

    TrustEvil Guest

    don't do this and don't do that, shit, some of you have more reservations than a fucking nun. panels are there for the taking, they don't belong to the writer who came before you, or the one who will come after....sidebust with respect and everything is all good. the only people who shouldn't be sidebusting (or be up on trains period) are newjack toys.
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